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Maybe Davy used the wrong year as a starting point, and that if he adjusted that by a year, what then? Wouldn't that make his proposal fit the end of the 69th week if 30 AD, according to Scholars, can fit the time of Jesus' crucifixion?
This is from Clarence Larkin (Gap Heavyweight) on how it all adds up.
“While there was no break between the “Seven Weeks” and the “Threescore and Two Weeks,” there is a break between the “Sixty ninth” and “Seventieth Week,” in which several things were to happen.First we read that “Messiah Was to Be Cut Off, But Not for Himself.” This refers to Christ’s rejection and crucifixion. He died for others. Then we read that the people of the “Prince That Shall Come” shall destroy the City and the Sanctuary. Note that it does not say that the “Prince” will destroy the City and Sanctuary, but the People of the Prince. The people who destroyed the City of Jerusalem and the Temple in A. D. 70 were the Romans, therefore the “Prince (Antichrist) must be a Roman Citizen.This does not mean that he cannot be a Syrian Jew, for Syria will then be a part of the revived Roman Empire, and Saul of Tarsus was a Roman citizen as well as a Jew. We are then told that the desolation of the land of Palestine shall continue until the “End of the War” (probably Armageddon). As this “desolation” still continues we see that the “GAP” between the “Sixty ninth” and “Seventieth Week” takes in the whole of this PRESENT DISPENSATION.” Dispensational Truth, p. 71 Clarence Larkin.
Only Davy can answer that.
"The book Dispensational Truth: God’s Plan and Purpose for the Ages (1918), containing over 115 charts and other illustrations, is considered a classic and continues to be reprinted today. Larkin wrote a number of other books including commentaries on Daniel and Revelation, which also contain intricate charts and drawings."Can't say I have ever heard of him. This shows how much I rarely rely on outside sources, such as this person, to help me form my theology.
Aw come on now. Are you saying you have never relied on outside resources to help interpret the bible?Can't say I have ever heard of him. This shows how much I rarely rely on outside sources, such as this person, to help me form my theology.
DavidPT said:Then let's see you fit the following into your proposed position-----and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
That too has to occur during the 70th week. Let's see you do that without inserting any gaps into it ..... The entirety of this verse involves the 70th week. Nothing in this verse is fulfilled outside of the 70th week.
"The book Dispensational Truth: God’s Plan and Purpose for the Ages (1918), containing over 115 charts and other illustrations, is considered a classic and continues to be reprinted today. Larkin wrote a number of other books including commentaries on Daniel and Revelation, which also contain intricate charts and drawings."
"During the last few years of Larkin’s life, his works became so popular that he left the pastorate to devote all his time to writing."
Who was Clarence Larkin?
Some of Daniels prophecy goes beyond the 70th week and describes the aftermath. So, the destruction of the temple is outside of the actual weeks; there is no gap.
Are you aware that the 'overspreading abomination' was the offering of animal blood in defiance of Jesus proclamation, "It is finished!" Messiah's atonement was fulfilled in the midst of the week as the prophet said, but the abominations dragged on (overspread) for 40 years until the consummation. (destruction the temple)
From Wikipedia:
"Scholars have provided estimates for the year of crucifixion in the range 30–33 AD, with Rainer Riesner stating that "the fourteenth of Nisan (7 April) of the year A.D. 30 is, apparently in the opinion of the majority of contemporary scholars as well, far and away the most likely date of the crucifixion of Jesus."
AD 30 is in the 70th week.
How long did the feast of the Passover last?Passover always comes on full moon, and lunar information can be traced very accurately. The Wikipedia article is correct. There are only 2 crucifixion dates that satisfy the astronomical criteria, and they are 7th April AD30, or 3rd April AD33.
I have an article on why I agree with 7th April AD30.
Chronology of the Cross
This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A.D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months,
the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.
Before their final demolition, however, Titus took a survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"
Revelation 9:5
5 And was given to them that not they should be killing them, but that they should be being tormented five months
And the torment of them as torment of a scorpion, whenever it should be striking a man;
Matthew 24:22
And if those days were not shortened, no flesh would have been saved;
but because of the chosen, shall those days be shortened
What about the Roman denarius in Revelation 6?Let's be real about things at least. Regardless that both events involve 5 months, there is nothing even remotely similar about these events, other than they both involve 5 months.
This leads to the 5 months of tormenting in question. Was the BP involved in the events of 70 AD? Does verse 3 sound like that might be meaning the Romans or anything involving the Romans? Verse 5, the very next verse, can't be fulfilled unless verse 1-4 are fulfilled first.
LittleLambofJesus said:How long did the feast of the Passover last?
The Dan.9:26 verse about the one who would destroy the city and sanctuary (2nd temple)
was about Titus and the Roman army in 70 A.D.
It wasn't about Nebuchadnezzar, which is what you're suggesting.
No, the prophecy reveals Messiah is cut off at the end of the 69th week, not the 70th. There is no way to move Christ's crucifixion into the 70th week.
1. 7 weeks (49 years) = command to restore the city (and temple) -
2. 62 weeks (434 years) - from the end of the dedication to the end of 62 weeks, Jesus would be 'cut off' (crucified).
2nd Period - 62 sevens (or 62 weeks) = 434 years. From the dedication to the time of Jesus being 'cut off' at the cross. From 404 B.C. to 29 A.D.* = 62 weeks, or 434 years. From the command to restore to Jesus being cut off was 483 years (or 69 weeks).
Passover always comes on full moon, and lunar information can be traced very accurately. The Wikipedia article is correct. There are only 2 crucifixion dates that satisfy the astronomical criteria, and they are 7th April AD30, or 3rd April AD33.
I have an article on why I agree with 7th April AD30.
Chronology of the Cross
457 BC, the seventh year of Emperor Artaxerxes when he issued his decree, as Daniel said would happen.
"in the seventh year of Artaxerxes the king ... on the first day of the first month Ezra began to go up from Babylonia ... This is a copy of the letter that King Artaxerxes gave to Ezra the priest, the scribe, a man learned in matters of the commandments of the Lord and his statutes for Israel: “Artaxerxes, king of kings, to Ezra the priest, the scribe of the Law of the God of heaven. Peace. And now I make a decree that ...."
(Ezra 7:7,13)
Some say that his 7th year was 458 BC but 457 BC is the more accurate date.
457 BC, the seventh year of Emperor Artaxerxes when he issued his decree, as Daniel said would happen.
"in the seventh year of Artaxerxes the king ... on the first day of the first month Ezra began to go up from Babylonia ... This is a copy of the letter that King Artaxerxes gave to Ezra the priest, the scribe, a man learned in matters of the commandments of the Lord and his statutes for Israel: “Artaxerxes, king of kings, to Ezra the priest, the scribe of the Law of the God of heaven. Peace. And now I make a decree that ...."
(Ezra 7:7,13)
Some say that his 7th year was 458 BC but 457 BC is the more accurate date.
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