70th Week - It Is Still Pending

[BABerean2]

Once Again:
I may have missed it, but did Peter cite ~70 mph mass transit~; 500 mph airlines; and terebyte HOME COMPUTERS?

Daniel 12:4 "... shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”​

Thanks,
DaDad

John must have missed the trains, and planes, and computers...

Joh 10:22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

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[David Kent]

They do not begin with the decree of Cyrus.

Cyrus - 536 B.C.
Darius - ??
Artexerxes - 457 B.C

69 weeks (483 years) - and then the annointed one, the Messiah begins his mission in 27 A.D. so then only Artexerxes' decree can be used for the starting point.

546 B.C. + 483 years only gets you to 63 B.C.
The decree to "restore and rebuild Jerusalem" had to include the Temple.

It was a 3-part decree to be qualified as the fulfillment of the "decree of God".
Ezra 6:14 And the elders of the Jews were successful in building through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they finished building according to the command of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia

That is not scriptural chronology but secular chronology based on the unproved assusmptions of the pagan astrologer Ptolemy. He was the one who taught that the sun revolved around the earth. The world was conned by that teaching for centuries until Copper Knickers proved it wrong.

Scripture says that Cyrus would publish God's decree that the temple and city would be built.
Darius and Artaxerxes were one and the same person.

 

[DaDad]

John must have missed the trains, and planes, and computers...

Hmmmmm, I always thought that Scripture only had to say something ONCE for me to believe it. Are you suggesting that every time Scripture cites the "end times" the writer needs to include an end time technological status?

Daniel 12:4 ... Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”​

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[BABerean2]

Hmmmmm, I always thought that Scripture only had to say something ONCE for me to believe it. Are you suggesting that every time Scripture cites the "end times" the writer needs to include an end time technological status?

Daniel 12:4 ... Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”​

Thanks,
DaDad

If you can show trains, and planes, and computers just one time, that would be enough...

What are the Hebrew words for "train", "plane", and "computer"?

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[DaDad]

If you can show trains, and planes, and computers just one time, that would be enough...

What are the Hebrew words for "train", "plane", and "computer"?

Funny you should ask. They're exactly the same as the word for "Jesus", and they're in the OT in the same paragraph's as ALL the references to "Jesus". -- But it's not "train", it's "mass transit"; and it's not "plane", it's "airline"; and it's not simply "computer", it's "home computer". I guess that's why you couldn't find them ...

Let me know if you have any problems finding them now.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[David Kent]

From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.


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The sacrifice did not cease due to the destruction of the temple, according to Josephus, but 45 days before the destruction due to there being no priests left to offer it. They had all been murdered by one faction or the other. The house of records, which held the genealogies, had been destroyed, so no one could prove their genealogy. They still can't, that is why there will be no further sacrifice. Christ died once, for all.

 

[BABerean2]

Funny you should ask. They're exactly the same as the word for "Jesus", and they're in the OT in the same paragraph's as ALL the references to "Jesus". -- But it's not "train", it's "mass transit"; and it's not "plane", it's "airline"; and it's not simply "computer", it's "home computer". I guess that's why you couldn't find them ...

Let me know if you have any problems finding them now.

Thanks,
DaDad

Walvoord trained you well...

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[BobRyan]

I agree except that the 490 years began with the decree of Cyrus.

They do not begin with the decree of Cyrus.

Cyrus - 536 B.C. Ezra 1.
Darius - ??
Artexerxes - 457 B.C - Ezra 6:14 (and Ezra 7:1-8)

69 weeks (483 years) - and then the annointed one, the Messiah begins his mission in 27 A.D. so then only Artexerxes' decree can be used for the starting point.

546 B.C. + 483 years only gets you to 63 B.C.
The decree to "restore and rebuild Jerusalem" had to include the Temple.

It was a 3-part decree to be qualified as the fulfillment of the "decree of God".

Ezra 6:14 And the elders of the Jews were successful in building through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they finished building according to the command of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia

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Cyrus, Darius, Artaxerxes -- the building was "stalled shut down" as Ezra 4 shows us due to a sabotage effort by the Samaritans that was partially successful in delaying the fulfillment.

But when it is all finally in place - we see that Ezra 6 puts it all together as "the decree".

Ezra 6:14 And the elders of the Jews were successful in building through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they finished building according to the command of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia

That is not scriptural chronology

You can't be serious.

Darius and Artaxerxes were one and the same person.

Indeed you are apparently not serious at all about this.

The timeline starts at 457 which is the point that we have "the command of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia" Ezra 6:14

 

[BobRyan]

The sacrifice did not cease due to the destruction of the temple,

Hebrews 10:4-12 says that from God's POV they ceased to have legit significance at the death of Christ - the one to whom they pointed. The Bible provides its own documented fulfillment for the 490 year timeline predictions made in Daniel 9 - and they are all fulfilled in Christ.

 

[DaDad]

Walvoord trained you well...

You don't know what you're talking about. -- WALVOORD WAS WRONG! Can I make it any more CLEAR?
Walvoord cited Experts, some of which were correct, and THAT's the value of Walvoord's book. And for someone not knowing anything about the subject, you certainly are an "EXPERT".

So have you found "Jesus" in the OT, and did you find the other citations in the same paragraphs?

DaDad

 

[jgr]

Funny you should ask. They're exactly the same as the word for "Jesus", and they're in the OT in the same paragraph's as ALL the references to "Jesus". -- But it's not "train", it's "mass transit"; and it's not "plane", it's "airline"; and it's not simply "computer", it's "home computer". I guess that's why you couldn't find them ...

Let me know if you have any problems finding them now.

Thanks,
DaDad

Mashiach = mass transit?

 

[BABerean2]

So have you found "Jesus" in the OT, and did you find the other citations in the same paragraphs?

Luk 24:25 Then He said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
Luk 24:26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?"
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

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[DaDad]

Luk 24:25 Then He said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!

Prophets?!? -- You don't even believe ANGELS.

Daniel 12:4 "... Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”​

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[BobRyan]

So have you found "Jesus" in the OT, and did you find the other citations in the same paragraphs?
DaDad

Not sure what that is about.

Is about 1 Cor 10?

Christ? In the OT?

1 Cor 10
I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

 

[DaDad]

Not sure what that is about.

Hey BR,
Posters apparently believe that when the Scriptures disagree with their doctrines, then they want them taken "literally". So when the angel says in Daniel 12:4 ...

4 .. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”​

... depicts end time ~70 mph mass transit & 500 mph airlines, and terabyte HOME COMPUTERS. -- But these individuals demand that the angel use the terms "mass transit", "airlines", and "home computers".

Of course THEY accept OT reference to "Jesus", but not OT references to end time technology, so I tell them they're BOTH in the same paragraph.

It's simply religious hypocrisy which has existed from the prophets, to Jesus, to today.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[BobRyan]

So have you found "Jesus" in the OT, and did you find the other citations in the same paragraphs?
DaDad

Not sure what that is about.

Is about 1 Cor 10?

Christ? In the OT?

1 Cor 10
I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

Hey BR,
Posters apparently believe that when the Scriptures disagree with their doctrines, then they want them taken "literally". So when the angel says in Daniel 12:4 ...

4 .. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”​

... depicts end time ~70 mph mass transit & 500 mph airlines, and terabyte HOME COMPUTERS. -- But these individuals demand that the angel use the terms "mass transit", "airlines", and "home computers".

Never heard of that.

usually when someone wants to reject the Bible they say it can all be spiritualized away into the ether of space

 

[David Kent]

They do not begin with the decree of Cyrus.

Cyrus - 536 B.C. Ezra 1.
Darius - ??
Artexerxes - 457 B.C - Ezra 6:14 (and Ezra 7:1-8)

69 weeks (483 years) - and then the annointed one, the Messiah begins his mission in 27 A.D. so then only Artexerxes' decree can be used for the starting point.

546 B.C. + 483 years only gets you to 63 B.C.
The decree to "restore and rebuild Jerusalem" had to include the Temple.

It was a 3-part decree to be qualified as the fulfillment of the "decree of God".

Ezra 6:14 And the elders of the Jews were successful in building through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they finished building according to the command of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia

==============================================
Cyrus, Darius, Artaxerxes -- the building was "stalled shut down" as Ezra 4 shows us due to a sabotage effort by the Samaritans that was partially successful in delaying the fulfillment.

But when it is all finally in place - we see that Ezra 6 puts it all together as "the decree".

Ezra 6:14 And the elders of the Jews were successful in building through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they finished building according to the command of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia



You can't be serious.



Indeed you are apparently not serious at all about this.

The timeline starts at 457 which is the point that we have "the command of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia" Ezra 6:14

It was God's command that Jerusalem should be rebuilt.

• Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
• 25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
• 26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:

It was through Cyrus that the command was issued.

• Isaiah 44:27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:
• 28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

Cyrus understood this.

• Ezra 1:2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

 

[DaDad]

Posters apparently believe that when the Scriptures disagree with their doctrines, then they want them taken "literally". So when the angel says in Daniel 12:4 ...

4 .. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”​

... depicts end time ~70 mph mass transit & 500 mph airlines, and terabyte HOME COMPUTERS. ...

... Never heard of that ....

Maybe you missed the following post:

If you can show trains, and planes, and computers just one time, that would be enough...

What are the Hebrew words for "train", "plane", and "computer"?

Hopes this helps ...
DaDad

 

[David Kent]

The fact that the building was stalled is not a valid point as it was the the publication of God's command that was the starting point of the 70 weeks, and that was given bty Cyrus. The decree of Artaxerxes was only to rebuild the walls. The city had alredy been built, but the walls had been broken down again.

 

[DaDad]

It was God's command that Jerusalem should be rebuilt.
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Cyrus understood this.

... but Scripture DISAGREES:

“[Per Young] This phrase has reference to the issuance of the word, not from a Persian ruler but from God. Young goes on to point out that the expression the commandment, which he insists is better translated “a word” (Heb. Dābār; cf. 2Ch 30:5) is also found is Daniel 9:23 for a word from God.”[1]

[1] John Wolvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 224​

Have you looked IN THE SCRIPTURES for the "going forth of the word"? It's in there, and Daniel 9:2 provides the SEARCH method. -- All you have to do is CORRECTLY interpret the Seventy "Weeks", to find the "going forth of the word".

Can it be any more SIMPLE?

Thanks,
DaDad

-- As a "hint", one might FIRST comply with the angel's instructions in 12:4 & 9. THEN one might consider the J.R. Church "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms" premise. --