700,000 people could lose food stamps under Trump administration's new SNAP rules

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Ever read the Bible?

(rhetorical question, it answers itself if you know Him)

Did you not know the Bible does not endorse what you posted ?
I happened to read the Bible, and it is just as I posted. (noted also that you did not answer the question , honestly now, did you !?)

 

[Hazelelponi]

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Did you not know the Bible does not endorse what you posted ?
I happened to read the Bible, and it is just as I posted. (noted also that you did not answer the question , honestly now, did you !?)

The Bible does NOT endorse communist or socialist governments created by unbelieving men..

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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The Bible does NOT endorse communist or socialist governments created by unbelieving men..

Doesn't matter really - you posted something not endorsed by the Bible, and still did not answer the question.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Doesn't matter really - you posted something not endorsed by the Bible, and still did not answer the question.

what did I post not endorsed by the Bible?

that robbing people to give to the poor from money not your own is unChristian and won't count in Gods eyes toward "you" giving in charity to the poor?

because that's about all I've said in this thread..

giving a dime to Ceasar is not your charity to the poor .

 

[Maria Billingsley]

And its God who gives us our natural rights - according to the constitution - NOT the government.

The government was not created as a church entity, it was created to protect people and make certain that rights given by God were protected.

We have to do the church stuff ourselves - not make the government our God.

Yes and God protects the poor and hungry.
Be blessed.

 

[Hazelelponi]

let me try and figure out how to best rephrase..

 

[bekkilyn]

And its God who gives us our natural rights - according to the constitution - NOT the government.

The government was not created as a church entity, it was created to protect people and make certain that rights given by God were protected.

We have to do the church stuff ourselves - not make the government our God.

Letting people starve in the streets is not protecting them.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Letting people starve in the streets is not protecting them.

My wording could have used a bit of work... sorry.

Natural rights come from God alone, this is how our constitution was set up.

No man, and no government can give anyone their natural rights. They would exist in absence of government because they come from God's Hand.

The only thing a government does, is not interfere in our natural rights (which in my opinion also helps protect the same)..

Anything a government gives are civil rights, and they can be given or taken away at the whim of the government as it sees fit. Because if the government is the one that issues them, then the government can also take them away - it's their hand over it, they have the power.

There is no God given natural right for food stamps - there's just not. It's a U.S. government program, and the U S. government makes the rules for it...

In the Bible Jesus looks at the coin and asks who's picture was on it.. then says give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods.

Our taxes aren't a form of charity, paying taxes aren't giving anything to God, they are paid to support the government, and the paper the bill is paid with is issued by the government. Paying taxes is giving to Caesar what is his..

the poor and needy - Biblically we do that ourselves. In person, live, from our own money - from our own pockets, from our own table - out of the bounty God gave us.

 

[Jermayn]

The atmospheric amounts of Money we eagerly spend like drunken sailors on the war machine renders your "we need to cut lazy people off food stamps or else we'll we run out of money" laughable.

The 2016 Military Budget for the us was Double that of the next largest, China and was enough money to buy every Homeless person in america a million dollar house.

But no... we need to keep buying Bombs at rate double our nearest Military competitor instead of feeding and housing every homeless person because... Socialism is Bad, Bombs are good.

Throwing money at people doesn’t solve money problems.

 

[bekkilyn]

My wording could have used a bit of work... sorry.

Natural rights come from God alone, this is how our constitution was set up.

No man, and no government can give anyone their natural rights. They would exist in absence of government because they come from God's Hand.

The only thing a government does, is not interfere in our natural rights (which in my opinion also helps protect the same)..

Anything a government gives are civil rights, and they can be given or taken away at the whim of the government as it sees fit. Because if the government is the one that issues them, then the government can also take them away - it's their hand over it, they have the power.

There is no God given natural right for food stamps - there's just not. It's a U.S. government program, and the U S. government makes the rules for it...

In the Bible Jesus looks at the coin and asks who's picture was on it.. then says give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods.

Our taxes aren't a form of charity, paying taxes aren't giving anything to God, they are paid to support the government, and the paper the bill is paid with is issued by the government. Paying taxes is giving to Caesar what is his..

the poor and needy - Biblically we do that ourselves. In person, live, from our own money - from our own pockets, from our own table - out of the bounty God gave us.

However, the government in the U.S. is made up of "We the People" so when we pay taxes to support the "government" we are paying taxes in support of the people who make up the government so that all may take part in the virtues of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We do not live beneath an empire or a monarchy, but even so, part of the duty of ancient kings was to look after the poor, so there is history and tradition of this expectation long before the idea of the U.S. was even conceived.

Also, since our government is the people (similar to how the church is the people rather than a building), and Christians are (at least nominally) a large percentage of the people, one might expect that government policy might at least reflect some values of this population, even if in a non-religious way. As it is, it is interesting how it is the more secular members of our population who are most interested in doing good things for our neighbors and the Christians who seem most opposed.

 

[Hazelelponi]

However, the government in the U.S. is made up of "We the People" so when we pay taxes to support the "government" we are paying taxes in support of the people who make up the government so that all may take part in the virtues of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We do not live beneath an empire or a monarchy, but even so, part of the duty of ancient kings was to look after the poor, so there is history and tradition of this expectation long before the idea of the U.S. was even conceived.

Also, since our government is the people (similar to how the church is the people rather than a building), and Christians are (at least nominally) a large percentage of the people, one might expect that government policy might at least reflect some values of this population, even if in a non-religious way. As it is, it is interesting how it is the more secular members of our population who are most interested in doing good things for our neighbors and the Christians who seem most opposed.

isn't that a u_n_i_q_u_e take on government - they aren't here to govern, they are just here to facilitate..

too funny.

It's a government for the people, by the people (meaning we pick our government representatives), of the people (meaning from the citizenry)

but key word there is government -it's still there to govern, not to facilitate... we facilitate our own lives, ourselves - from what bounty God gave to us individually - and God does not give equally to all man.

To one He gives one thing to another something else, etc. In this way, we have the ability to help one another..

but government governs... its not there to be anyone's free meal ticket. Your taxes are paid for the efficient running of the government...

Your desire to give in charity, if your doing it as a Christian and not playing Robin Hood, is to be done from your own pocket, your own table, your own bounty..

God doesn't say anywhere in the Bible to give to Ceasar what is Gods. Your Christian duty is on your shoulders, it's not a pass the buck type situation..

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

When you considered how the number of recipients mushroomed under the previous administration, 700,000 fewer doesn’t seem so drastic.

 

[Hazelelponi]

When you considered how the number of recipients mushroomed under the previous administration, 700,000 fewer doesn’t seem so drastic.

And here's the deal. The onus on food stamp continuation is for able bodied people with no dependants and entails that after receiving food stamps for 3 months you must get a job working 20 hours per week to continue receiving food stamps - not even a full time job.

Just about any able bodied individual in this country can pick up a part time job working a minimum wage job somewhere.. there's always a McDonald's or a Dollar General hiring..

and things like mowing the neighbors lawn for 20 dollars or helping your mom around the house for your room and board counts toward hours worked.

It's not like it's difficult to comply..

 

[Rescued One]

The real issue then is weeding out the lazy from the poor.

There are people such as these:

"The change, which takes effect on April 1, 2020, does not apply to children and their parents, those over 50 (including the elderly), those with a disability or pregnant women."

I hope clinical depression and other medical problems are considered disabilities.

 

[Hazelelponi]

There are people such as these:

"The change, which takes effect on April 1, 2020, does not apply to children and their parents, those over 50 (including the elderly), those with a disability or pregnant women."

I hope clinical depression and other medical problems are considered disabilities.

They are considered disabilities here..

 

[aiki]

Proverbs 19:15
15 Slothfulness casts into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger.

2 Thessalonians 3:10
10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

 

[Rescued One]

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat."
2 Thessalonians 3:10 NIV

From Wikipedia:

In the spring of 1609, John Smith cited the aphorism to the colonists of Jamestown:

Countrymen, the long experience of our late miseries I hope is sufficient to persuade everyone to a present correction of himself, And think not that either my pains nor the adventurers' purses will ever maintain you in idleness and sloth...

...the greater part must be more industrious, or starve...

You must obey this now for a law, that he that will not work shall not eat (except by sickness he be disabled). For the labors of thirty or forty honest and industrious men shall not be consumed to maintain a hundred and fifty idle loiterers.[4]

 

[Rescued One]

The tenants of the Bible applies only to Christians, personally.

 

[Beetlepumper]

Recently my daughter and I met a young man that drug problem like most seem to He is doing very well after 2 months. He got food stamps to tide him over and he got State medical Insurance. Then he is on some medicine to get him off heroin. He has been clean when checked every week or two. He now just started a job. Just got his first pay check, it does say if ya don't work ya don't eat. Now we will start him in a small Bible Church. Little Farm community church. Here is a time where it worked out well, so far. There have been failures but seeds planted. I'll always need help, I am a mess, but happy.

 

[dqhall]

what did I post not endorsed by the Bible?

that robbing people to give to the poor from money not your own is unChristian and won't count in Gods eyes toward "you" giving in charity to the poor?

because that's about all I've said in this thread..

giving a dime to Ceasar is not your charity to the poor .

Taxing people to maintain a large army and build nuclear weapons is not charitable. No government has no taxes. You use the money they print or electronically credit and pay taxes if required, or risk Federal prison. It costs over $34,000 a year to keep a person in Federal prison. There they require more than a small amount of food assistance.