7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[GenemZ]

Sorry, but you are confusing Adam's Earth, the world that "THEN WAS" with the present Earth. Adam's Earth, the Flat one, was totally destroyed in the Flood.

Aman.. Why are you here?

The word "aman" means "peace, security, safety, shelter, protection" in the Sanskrit, Hindi, Punjahbbi, Arabic, Urdu and Persian languages.

 

[GenemZ]

It is you who is reading between the lines and filling in the blanks...with speculation.

The bible tellsus the whole earth was flooded...NOT, and I repeat, NOT a localized area. If you could present a verse that shows it was a local flood the present one or abandon your idea.

Look at Genesis 11:1-2, as read in the King James Version...

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they
found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.​

Address that, please!

The reference to what was all of mankind at that time was living on a single plain, and was called 'the whole earth.'

You are not addressing my point. You are simply dismissing it. That is what elitists do when they can not refute something. Can you at least address it? Directly? Or will you keep ignoring what you need to learn about?

 

[-57]

All the world was "localized." I'm not going to argue and be stupid. I will let what I showed you in Genesis 11, about what "all the world" meant at the time of writing. If you can not even address that? I will not be stupid to argue with you.

If you need a local flood to support your theology...then that tips me off to the error of your theology. The language of the bible clearly indicates the flood was world wide. But, scripture twist away if you want.

 

[Aman777]

Aman.. Why are you here?

The word "aman" means "peace, security, safety, shelter, protection" in the Sanskrit, Hindi, Punjahbbi, Arabic, Urdu and Persian languages.

Thanks for telling me something I did not know. I chose the name Aman777 20 years ago to show that my understanding is the view of a man who is also a Christian. My views are controversial BUT they agree with God's Holy Word AND every discovery of Science and History. The traditional religious view does NOT. I'm here to show others what the words actually say instead of what some theologian thought they said thousands of years ago. Amen?

 

[GenemZ]

If you need a local flood to support your theology...then that tips me off to the error of your theology. The language of the bible clearly indicates the flood was world wide. But, scripture twist away if you want.

I do not need a local flood to support my theology. My theology was formed because I am able to see how it was a local flood. I have been able to see how men thought about words back then. You superimpose what we think now in these terms only. You are not learning the setting in which the Bible was written. Do you think Moses knew there was a north and south pole? That in other parts of the world there are jungles, or massive forests consisting of types of trees men of the Middle East never saw? We have to deal with what they knew, and how God related to them. God allowed David to have many wives. But, now we are to have only one. Why? What we know now changes everything.

Look... I have a choice. I can be stupid and try to reason with you, after you have ignored the details of what I said. I would be stupid. Because you do not even acknowledge what was said. For all I know? You are not even reading what I said.

Tell me? Does having a closed mind give you tranquility of soul?

 

[-57]

Look at Genesis 11:1-2, as read in the King James Version...

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they
found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.​

Address that, please!

The reference to what was all of mankind at that time was living on a single plain, and was called 'the whole earth.'

You are not addressing my point. You are simply dismissing it. That is what elitists do when they can not refute something. Can you at least address it? Directly? Or will you keep ignoring what you need to learn about?

To that I say...so what? Lets read what the flood account has to say....

The flood account tells us " 19And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. KJV

You do know the whole heaven didn't just cover a local area of the earth?

23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, KJV

The language of the KJV does not describe a localized flood.

 

[Aman777]

Look at Genesis 11:1-2, as read in the King James Version...

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they
found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.​

Address that, please!

The reference to what was all of mankind at that time was living on a single plain, and was called 'the whole earth.'

You are not addressing my point. You are simply dismissing it. That is what elitists do when they can not refute something. Can you at least address it? Directly? Or will you keep ignoring what you need to learn about?

Noah arrived on this Earth 11k years ago from Adam's Earth which was totally destroyed in the flood, according to ll Peter 3:6. He walked down from Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat, into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia and Noah's descendants went West to the land between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, which is also called Shinar.

Since they were the First Humans (Adam's descendants) on this Earth, they ALL spoke one language. As they were scattered from Babel by the Lord, they took Humanity, language, and every other trait of Humans, all over the face of the Earth from there. Gen 11:9 shows this:

Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

This reveals that the Theory of Evolution, which claims that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, is totally FALSE. The first Humans arrived in Lake Van, Turkey in the mountains of Ararat, in an Ark. Amen?

 

[GenemZ]

Thanks for telling me something I did not know. I chose the name Aman777 20 years ago to show that my understanding is the view of a man who is also a Christian. My views are controversial BUT they agree with God's Holy Word AND every discovery of Science and History. The traditional religious view does NOT. I'm here to show others what the words actually say instead of what some theologian thought they said thousands of years ago. Amen?

They do not agree with God's Word unless you use scissors to cut out all the rest it has to say on the subjects that you evidently take pleasure in presenting. Some people love fantasy and science fiction. Its a healthy and normal form of entertainment. You are just dragging that pleasure over into a place where it does not belong. Go ahead. Waste your time in what could have been profitable for the Lord's purpose. The truth will make you free. You also have the freedom (God won't stop you directly) to wander off into a fantasy world that superimposes Biblical passages upon what the Bible in context never intended.

 

[-57]

I do not need a local flood to support my theology. My theology was formed because I am able to see how it was a local flood. I have been able to see how men thought about words back then. You superimpose what we think now in these terms only. You are not learning the setting in which the Bible was written. Do you think Moses knew there was a north and south pole? That in other parts of the world there are jungles, or massive forests consisting of types of trees men of the Middle East never saw? We have to deal with what they knew, and how God related to them. God allowed David to have many wives. But, now we are to have only one. Why? What we know now changes everything.

Look... I have a choice. I can be stupid and try to reason with you, after you have ignored the details of what I said. I would be stupid. Because you do not even acknowledge what was said. For all I know? You are not even reading what I said.

Tell me? Does having a closed mind give you tranquility of soul?

So, it's considered by you as being stupid to believe the entire world was flooded during Noahs time? Dude, I didn't write the bible in language that tells us the entire globe was flooded.

 

[-57]

The truth will make you free. You also have the freedom (God won't stop you directly) to wander off into a fantasy world that superimposes Biblical passages upon what the Bible in context never intended.

Look at you calling the kettle black.....superimposing a local flood over a world wide flood. Changing the language of Genesis forcing it to say whay it doesn't say.

 

[Aman777]

They do not agree with God's Word unless you use scissors to cut out all the rest it has to say on the subjects that you evidently take pleasure in presenting. Some people love fantasy and science fiction. Its a healthy and normal form of entertainment. You are just dragging that pleasure over into a place where it does not belong. Go ahead. Waste your time in what could have been profitable for the Lord's purpose. The truth will make you free. You also have the freedom (God won't stop you directly) to wander off into a fantasy world that superimposes Biblical passages upon what the Bible in context never intended.

Then TRY to refute me and you too will soon learn that what you think does NOT agree with what is actually written. I promise to be nice and show you things which you have never heard before but which will bring you a more complete understanding of God's Holy Word. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

So, it's considered by you as being stupid to believe the entire world was flooded during Noahs time? Dude, I didn't write the bible in language that tells us the entire globe was flooded.

Amen. Adam's firmament/Heaven was totally destroyed in the flood along with every creature which breathed and the firmament or solid boundary of Adam's world is STILL in the bottom of Lake Van today. The firmament sank thus releasing the 450 ft Ark into the Lake. This brought the FIRST Humans to our Planet of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who had been on Earth for Millions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived.

Science has confused the sons of God with Humans and therefore, falsely assumes that they MUST have evolved from Great Apes. God's Truth reveals the Scoffers of the last days, who are teaching the biggest Satanic Lie in the history of Human civilization, to our children in the Public Schools. My purpose is to show Christians God's Truth and to expose the false ToE for the false assumption it most certainly is. Amen?

 

[-57]

Amen. Adam's firmament/Heaven was totally destroyed in the flood along with every creature which breathed and the firmament or solid boundary of Adam's world is STILL in the bottom of Lake Van today. The firmament sank thus releasing the 450 ft Ark into the Lake. This brought the FIRST Humans to our Planet of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who had been on Earth for Millions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived.

Science has confused the sons of God with Humans and therefore, falsely assumes that they MUST have evolved from Great Apes. God's Truth reveals the Scoffers of the last days, who are teaching the biggest Satanic Lie in the history of Human civilization, to our children in the Public Schools. My purpose is to show Christians God's Truth and to expose the false ToE for the false assumption it most certainly is. Amen?

That would make for great science fiction.

 

[GenemZ]

To that I say...so what? Lets read what the flood account has to say....

The flood account tells us " 19And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. KJV

You do know the whole heaven didn't just cover a local area of the earth?

23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, KJV

The language of the KJV does not describe a localized flood.

It describes a flood that was from the perspective of all man could know and see. Did man know of the unknown world on earth? Why would God destroy all the earth that we know today, when man only lived in a space no larger than was needed to keep them close enough to Noah, to hear God's warnings that came from Noah's mouth?

Read the following carefully, please.

2 Peter 2:5

If He didn't spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness,
and seven others, when He brought a flood on the world of the ungodly.​

Note! .... on the world of the ungodly.

It was the world of the ungodly that was destroyed. All the world of the ungodly.

Grace comes before judgment! All evil men and women had to hear the warnings of Noah before judgment could come.

Genesis 6:7a

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth.​

God did not say he would destroy the earth! Did, He? No! But, destroy all man on the face of the earth! Animals in that area of men? They would have to be destroy, too as to destroy man. Man was yet low in numbers because man was still in his infancy stage.

If what you claim were truth? How could men on the other side of the world have been so warned by hearing Noah preach? There were no men elsewhere that would be out of being able to access Noah.

So.. God was going to shoot a flea with a cannon? Yes.. God destroyed the world... where man was living.

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth.​

Do we have?

God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. Did God give his son to save the mountains and trees, and oceans? It all depends how the word "world" was used. Doesn't it?

All man knew at the time of Noah was the world they had direct contact with. All of that known world, and all life in it, was destroyed by a controlled flood from God.

Will it be... Insight. Or, flight?

If every species of all things that creep on the earth were to be gathered to be saved? Noah would have had to build a massive fleet of arks? If you want secular scientist to feel justified in their rejection of God? Your thinking makes them justified. An accurate and detailed understanding of the Bible leaves them angry and fuming. Your thinking is a comfort to them.

Like I said... I refuse to be stupid. God makes wise the stupid. If they would only accept correction when its given to them. We (myself included) are all stupid when left to our own way of seeing things. His ways are not our ways. His thoughts are not our thoughts. There is a way that seems right to a man. But, its way leads to death.

What separates the wise believer from the foolish? One knows he is stupid. The other does not. I know I am stupid. Because what I am showing you dumbfounded me to discover how wrong I had been because I was accepting tradition without knowing better. I know I am stupid. Do you? We all are before God until He can correct us. I still have much to be corrected in. One day at a time.

Proverbs 12:15

The way of a fool is right in his own eyes,
But he who heeds counsel is wise.

​

 

[Aman777]

That would make for great science fiction.

Amen. What it reveals is that the Holy Spirit is the greatest Writer in the History of the Creation. His Truth is the most interesting story I have ever read and it's told in it's entirety in the FIRST 34 verses of Genesis. It's proof of the Supreme Intelligence of our Literal God. Amen?

 

[-57]

It describes a flood that was from the perspective of all man could know and see. Did man know of the unknown world on earth? Why would God destroy all the earth that we know today, when man only lived in a space no larger than was needed to keep them close enough to Noah, to hear God's warnings that came from Noah's mouth?

Read the following carefully, please.

2 Peter 2:5

If He didn't spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness,
and seven others, when He brought a flood on the world of the ungodly.​

Note! .... on the world of the ungodly.

It was the world of the ungodly that was destroyed. All the world of the ungodly.

Grace comes before judgment! All evil men and women had to hear the warnings of Noah before judgment could come.

Genesis 6:7a

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth.​

God did not say he would destroy the earth! Did, He? No! But, destroy all man on the face of the earth! Animals in that area of men? They would have to be destroy, too as to destroy man. Man was yet low in numbers because man was still in his infancy stage.

If what you claim were truth? How could men on the other side of the world have been so warned by hearing Noah preach? There were no men elsewhere that would be out of being able to access Noah.

So.. God was going to shoot a flea with a cannon? Yes.. God destroyed the world... where man was living.

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth.​

Do we have?

God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. Did God give his son to save the mountains and trees, and oceans? It all depends how the word "world" was used. Doesn't it?

All man knew at the time of Noah was the world they had direct contact with. All of that known world, and all life in it, was destroyed by a controlled flood from God.

Will it be... Insight. Or, flight?

If every species of all things that creep on the earth were to be gathered to be saved? Noah would have had to build a massive fleet of arks? If you want secular scientist to feel justified in their rejection of God? Your thinking makes them justified. An accurate and detailed understanding of the Bible leaves them angry and fuming. Your thinking is a comfort to them.

Like I said... I refuse to be stupid. God makes wise the stupid. If they would only accept correction when its given to them. We (myself included) are all stupid when left to our own way of seeing things. His ways are not our ways. His thoughts are not our thoughts. There is a way that seems right to a man. But, its way leads to death.

What separates the wise believer from the foolish? One knows he is stupid. The other does not. I know I am stupid. Because what I am showing you dumbfounded me to discover how wrong I had been because I was accepting tradition without knowing better. I know I am stupid. Do you? We all are before God until He can correct us. I still have much to be corrected in. One day at a time.

Proverbs 12:15

The way of a fool is right in his own eyes,
But he who heeds counsel is wise.

​

If the flood was local...why not get on a horse and ride away from it?

 

[-57]

Amen. What it reveals is that the Holy Spirit is the greatest Writer in the History of the Creation. His Truth is the most interesting story I have ever read and it's told in it's entirety in the FIRST 34 verses of Genesis. It's proof of the Supreme Intelligence of our Literal God. Amen?

If that's what you need to believe...have at it.

The KJV clearly say man was created on day 6.

 

[Aman777]

Genesis 6:7a

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth.
God did not say he would destroy the earth! Did, He? No! But, destroy all man on the face of the earth! Animals in that area of men? They would have to be destroy, too as to destroy man. Man was yet low in numbers because man was still in his infancy stage.

God also tells Noah that He would destroy the Earth:

Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

God also tells Noah that never again will He destroy the Earth in a flood:

Gen 9:11 And I will establish My covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

From the New Testament:

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Greek-kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

He is speaking of the Scoffers/Unbelievers of the last days who will NOT believe that Adam's world, that THEN WAS, is gone and the present world will be burned:

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Don't be a Scoffer of the last days who does NOT believe what the Holy Spirit tells us. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

If that's what you need to believe...have at it.

The KJV clearly say man was created on day 6.

Amen. God the Trinity created both Adam and Eve at the same time on the present 6th Day. In fact, ALL of mankind lives and dies on the present 6th Day. SOME are "created in God's Image" but SOME are Not. Those who are NOT are the lost. To be created in God's Image is to be born again Spiritually in Christ. Amen?

 

[toLiJC]

I'm after thoughts and opinions Gods 7-day creation. Did Moses right it as a narrative to the Israelites? Is Genesis all figurative language?

Thoughts and opinions on the controversial topic!

why not creation in 144 hours?!, why must God delay the overall life's provision when He is the system Administrator of life for all the boundless universe?! - zillions of souls need it

Blessings