7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[GenemZ]

Ah, so there was a light source; just not the Sun. So why not just create the Sun, and have done with it?

First three days the Lord Himself was the light of the earth. The sun was only provided afterwards. That was shown to give us a hint as to how the previous creation received its light. After all... certain angels were called "morning stars." And, Satan's original name could be rendered "Luicifer," which means 'light bearer.' The original angels had some that were like gigantic fireflies in God's creation. Lucifer was so bright in light bearing, that Isaiah hints about Lucifer used to herald in the mornings of each new day in the prehistoric creation. (Isaiah 14:12)

12 How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!


We also read (from the Hebrew) about Lucifer's light bearing ability in Ezekiel. The KJV says the same thing.


JPS Tanakh 1917
Thy heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom
by reason of thy brightness; I have cast thee to the ground, I have laid thee
before kings, that they may gaze upon thee.


At the time the earth was originally created the angels watched. Two types of angels are mentioned in Job 38:6-7.


6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels (sons of God) shouted for joy?


One angel type was called "sons of God." Those are what we call the regular angels. But, then there was a second race of angels God also created. These one were bearers of lights. They were apparently the original stars of the night that revealed seasons, and most likely effected migration of the animal life in the prehistoric worlds. It appears that Lucifer had the most light bearing ability. For, he was the one who was to herald in the new day light, And, as demonstrated in the first three days in Genesis, then the Lord would take over from Lucifer's function being the light of the day.

We are told in Revelation, that the new earth era will have no sun. But, that the Lamb of God will be its light! We are being shown peeps into hidden prehistoric realities by God giving us insight into his Holy Word. Stubborn tradition will resist. It always does. It was the traditions of men that resisted Jesus Himself.

 

[Aman777]

But Genesis 1:30 is speaking of the everlasting of our future; Genesis 9:3 is speaking of the third day, before Creation completion.

Gen 1:30 is speaking of the thousand year reign of Christ at the end of the present 6th Day. Gen 9:3 is speaking of Noah being given to eat of EVERY living creature instead of just green herbs. Noah was afraid to come out of the Ark and stayed for 2 months AFTER he knew the ground was dry BECAUSE Noah had arrived on an Earth where it rained and where it was filled with strange animals.

This was when God promised NOT to destroy the Earth AGAIN with water:

Gen 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Can you imagine the fear which was upon Noah and his family when the first rain came? After all, the first earth was "clean dissolved" Isa 24:19 in the flood and Noah thought it might destroy the Earth again, so he stayed in the Ark. AFTER God assured Noah that He would never again destroy the Earth in a flood, Noah and his family came out of the Ark into our 2nd Heaven, which will be burned. ll Peter 3:10

 

[-57]

The dinosaur flood was the raging waters we find covering the earth in Genesis One. Noah's flood was local, and designed only to wipe out evil mankind. Man was in his infancy at that time and only covered a small patch on the earth. No universal flood was need for Noah's day. All the "known" earth was destroyed. No need to destroy the earth where man never lived at that time.

You would be incorrect. Noahs flood was world wide. It is that flood that buried the dinosaurs.

 

[-57]

Not so since the Earth was NOT made until the 3rd Day. Gen 1:10

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth;

Notice that the KJV even capitlized the word Earth.

The earth (Heb-ground) which was made on the first Day was dirt or dust without form. It was part of the air, dust and water which was used by the Light/Jesus to form and shape everything that exists in physical form. On Day 1, it was contaminated by Death/darkness and still is. At the end of the present 6th Day/Age, death will be destroyed:

1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

I've already presented you with the biblical text that called the earth..."earth"...on day one.

 

[-57]

The Light of the first Day is YHWH/Jesus. He came forth from within the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world as the ONLY God ever formed physically or that EVER will be formed physically. Isa 43:10

Jesus was the Word that became flesh...fully human and fully God. Jesus always was and never was not.

 

[Aman777]

I've already presented you with the biblical text that called the earth..."earth"...on day one.

I know but where was the first Earth put since the firmament was NOT made until the 2nd Day? All that was before Day 3 was FORMLESS ground or dust.

 

[Aman777]

Jesus was the Word that became flesh...fully human and fully God. Jesus always was and never was not.

Amen, but He existed as the Son in the invisible Spirit of God, or Trinity. He came into the physical world on the 1st Day in order to mold the air dust and water into physical shape AND to defeat the darkness or death which was upon everything God had made apart from Himself. This view also confirms His first place or preeminence in everything:

Col 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church: Who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence.

Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God showing that He came into the world on the First Day.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

This also confirms that His work will NOT be finished (brought to perfection) until DEATH is destroyed.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Death will not be destroyed until the end of the present 6th Day/Age. Then and only then, God's Work of ALL of His Creation will be brought to perfection and ALL the host of Heaven will be present in Heaven.

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested (Heb-shabbath-Ceased) on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.

God wrote the complete History of His Creation in the first 34 verses of Genesis. From Gen 2:4 to the end of Revelation, ALL of the details concerning the Creation of His perfect Heaven, refer BACK to the 7 Days of God's Creation from Gen 1:1 to Gen 2:3. It's PROOF of the Literal God since ONLY God could have written the Future end of His work thousands of years ago. The 7th Day has no evening, no end, since it's Eternity.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure:

Amen?

 

[GenemZ]

You would be incorrect. Noahs flood was world wide. It is that flood that buried the dinosaurs.

I understand what you have been told. Its incorrect as well.

If Noah's flood were world wide? Practically no sea life would have survived once the salt and fresh water combined. Both would have become unbalanced and most sea creatures would have died.

God's intent was one thing. To destroy mankind that had become physically corrupted. Man was not covering the whole earth at that time. If they were? They could never have heard God's warnings given through Noah. The population of mankind was not very high. Many miss that factor. God did not create many Adams and Eves all around the earth. From only two mankind came. Most likely all the earth referred to all the known earth. Man had no idea how vast the planet was. They only knew where they stood existed. All the known world was destroyed, because God only intended to destroy mankind, not the planet. Read why the flood was given. It was to destroy mankind. All life where man lived was to be destroyed. Only the animals unique to the part of the world where many lived was to be preserved. There was no need to preserve the animals on the other side of the world. And, if every species of animal on the entire surface of the earth were to be saved from that flood? You would have needed a huge fleet of arks to do it with. One ark that size could not have held every species that exists.

Now, if God did not wipe out what man was mutating into? Jesus could have not been born. For the seed of the woman had to be pure humanity. Not the mutant flesh that was being propagated once the sons of God began having sex with the daughters of men. Genesis 6 tells you that it happened that way.


Genesis 6:1-2 (Young's literal Trans)

And it cometh to pass that mankind have begun to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters have been born to them,
2 and sons of God see the daughters of men that they [are] fair, and they take to themselves women of all whom they have chosen.

The Hebrew does not say that the Sons of God "took wives" as some translations state erroneously. The Hebrew states that they passionately took the women whom they desired. Actually, more accurately, the Hebrew states.... they took/'seized passionately.'

Problems with understanding will happen when we read prudishly written, watered down, English translations. Ones that will cause us to miss the intent of the words of Moses.

Jesus is the Word made flesh. Its vitally important to understand what was actually written in the Hebrew.


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[Aman777]

I understand what you have been told. Its incorrect as well.

If Noah's flood were world wide? Practically no sea life would have survived once the salt and fresh water combined. Both would have become unbalanced and most sea creatures would have died.

God's intent was one thing. To destroy mankind that had become physically corrupted. Man was not covering the whole earth at that time. If they were? They could never have heard God's warnings given through Noah. The population of mankind was not very high. Many miss that factor. God did not create many Adams and Eves all around the earth. From only two mankind came. Most likely all the earth referred to all the known earth. Man had no idea how vast the planet was. They only knew where they stood existed. All the known world was destroyed, because God only intended to destroy mankind, not the planet. Read why the flood was given. It was to destroy mankind. All life where man lived was to be destroyed. Only the animals unique to the part of the world where many lived was to be preserved. There was no need to preserve the animals on the other side of the world. And, if every species of animal on the entire surface of the earth were to be saved from that flood? You would have needed a huge fleet of arks to do it with. One ark that size could not have held every species that exists.

Now, if God did not wipe out what man was mutating into? Jesus could have not been born. For the seed of the woman had to be pure humanity. Not the mutant flesh that was being propagated once the sons of God began having sex with the daughters of men. Genesis 6 tells you that it happened that way.


Genesis 6:1-2 (Young's literal Trans)

And it cometh to pass that mankind have begun to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters have been born to them,
2 and sons of God see the daughters of men that they [are] fair, and they take to themselves women of all whom they have chosen.

The Hebrew does not say that the Sons of God "took wives" as some translations state erroneously. The Hebrew states that they passionately took the women whom they desired. Actually, more accurately, the Hebrew states.... they took/'seized passionately.'

Problems with understanding will happen when we read prudishly written, watered down, English translations. Ones that will cause us to miss the intent of the words of Moses.

Jesus is the Word made flesh. Its vitally important to understand what was actually written in the Hebrew..

Doesn't work since the 1st firmament, which God called Heaven, was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:8 The other firmamentS (our 2nd Heaven and the 3rd Heaven) were made on the 3rd Day and NOT but God, but by Lord God (YHWH/Jesus). Gen 2:4

The 1st Heaven was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 God spared it NOT.

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Adam's world was only 22.5 feet (15 cubits) in elevation since the flood covered the mountains when the flood reached that depth.

Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

Some teach that the flood was 15 cubits Above the mountains but that is NOT what is actually written, but instead, is the religious theology of ancient men who did NOT know that Adam's Earth was "clean dissolved" in the flood. Isaiah 24:19 The present Earth is a Rock with a molten core and it will be burned and could NEVER be dissolved by water, since water covers our 2/3 of our Planet. Our 2nd Heaven will be burned. ll Peter 3:10

Adam's world was totally different from the present world since it had only 4 Rivers, which came from ONE River, which came out of the Garden of Eden and then split into 4 Rivers.

Gen 2:10 ¶ And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

Our world has thousands of Rivers. If the Rivers of our Earth all came out of One River, that River would have to be on top of Mt Everest. God told Noah that He was going to destroy Adam's Earth with the violent people:

Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

There are other Scriptural confirmations that Adam's first Heaven was totally destroyed in the flood. This also explains the 3rd Heaven, which is where Christians will go AFTER the present world (Cosmos) is burned. ll Peter 3:10 Amen?

 

[-57]

I know but where was the first Earth put since the firmament was NOT made until the 2nd Day? All that was before Day 3 was FORMLESS ground or dust.

If you say so.

 

[-57]

God wrote the complete History of His Creation in the first 34 verses of Genesis. From Gen 2:4 to the end of Revelation, ALL of the details concerning the Creation of His perfect Heaven, refer BACK to the 7 Days of God's Creation from Gen 1:1 to Gen 2:3. It's PROOF of the Literal God since ONLY God could have written the Future end of His work thousands of years ago. The 7th Day has no evening, no end, since it's Eternity.

The seventh day has been over for about 6K years.

 

[-57]

I understand what you have been told. Its incorrect as well.

If Noah's flood were world wide? Practically no sea life would have survived once the salt and fresh water combined. Both would have become unbalanced and most sea creatures would have died.

God's intent was one thing. To destroy mankind that had become physically corrupted. Man was not covering the whole earth at that time. If they were? They could never have heard God's warnings given through Noah. The population of mankind was not very high. Many miss that factor. God did not create many Adams and Eves all around the earth. From only two mankind came. Most likely all the earth referred to all the known earth. Man had no idea how vast the planet was. They only knew where they stood existed. All the known world was destroyed, because God only intended to destroy mankind, not the planet. Read why the flood was given. It was to destroy mankind. All life where man lived was to be destroyed. Only the animals unique to the part of the world where many lived was to be preserved. There was no need to preserve the animals on the other side of the world. And, if every species of animal on the entire surface of the earth were to be saved from that flood? You would have needed a huge fleet of arks to do it with. One ark that size could not have held every species that exists.

Now, if God did not wipe out what man was mutating into? Jesus could have not been born. For the seed of the woman had to be pure humanity. Not the mutant flesh that was being propagated once the sons of God began having sex with the daughters of men. Genesis 6 tells you that it happened that way.


Genesis 6:1-2 (Young's literal Trans)

And it cometh to pass that mankind have begun to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters have been born to them,
2 and sons of God see the daughters of men that they [are] fair, and they take to themselves women of all whom they have chosen.

The Hebrew does not say that the Sons of God "took wives" as some translations state erroneously. The Hebrew states that they passionately took the women whom they desired. Actually, more accurately, the Hebrew states.... they took/'seized passionately.'

Problems with understanding will happen when we read prudishly written, watered down, English translations. Ones that will cause us to miss the intent of the words of Moses.

Jesus is the Word made flesh. Its vitally important to understand what was actually written in the Hebrew.


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It is you who is reading between the lines and filling in the blanks...with speculation.

The bible tellsus the whole earth was flooded...NOT, and I repeat, NOT a localized area. If you could present a verse that shows it was a local flood the present one or abandon your idea.

This quote from the bible has language that refers to the entire earth " 17I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.

It doesn't say everything in the known earth...where the people of that time lived. To add to that, later we read "19They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.

How do you cover the mountains with 15 cubits of water and have a local flood? You need to re-write the account of the flood to make it a local flood.

I trust you stand corrected.

 

[GenemZ]

Doesn't work since the 1st firmament, which God called Heaven, was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:8 The other firmamentS (our 2nd Heaven and the 3rd Heaven) were made on the 3rd Day and NOT but God, but by Lord God (YHWH/Jesus). Gen 2:4

The 1st Heaven was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 God spared it NOT.

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

You are too limited in your knowledge at this time, and its causing you to run with dogmatic presumptions. You must learn how words were used at the time of writing. If you do not? You will be imposing our present way of seeing things, upon how they saw things. Here is the "world" that was destroyed in Noah's flood. THIS is how they used the word.

Genesis 11. Have you read it carefully? Where man lived? That is what constituted what they called the world. They had no concept of one big round planet. How could they? Where man lived? That is what they called "the world."

Genesis 11:1-2

Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.
As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled
there.​

Where was that whole world being manifested? It was living on a single plain in Shinar.

Man had not yet been scattered all over the surface of the earth! Yet, that is what is referred to as the "whole world."

Please! Get to understand how words were used at the time of writing, or you will not be able to stand against the merciless system of the world. They will crush you, and you will think you are being martyred for God. But, you'll be no better than a religious suicidal Muslim believing in lies, who looks for Paradise. If the foundation is not the Truth? God sees it as not his Son being manifested. For his Son is only manifested where His Word is accurate and true. Jesus was the Word made flesh!

We all need to learn this. We all need at times to be tested by God by being humiliated by having our own ignorance exposed at times. That is why Jesus told us, if we are to follow Him we must deny self and die.. To take up our personal crosses. Our old ignorant self must die to be left behind buried in a grave if we are to know the transforming resurrection life to be discovered in Christ!

God destroyed the whole corrupted world in Noah's flood. The whole surviving world was later found living on a single plain in Shinar. That is how the word "world" was sometimes used and understood in those days!

The flood was intended for the destruction of the whole world that had become corrupted by the evil mutation of angelic infiltration.

We will never get it if we are the kind of heart that jumps at dogma and clings without thinking. Those who refuse correction when its given. Being rreligious souls who cling to dogma so they can have something to lock their minds onto as to push out the harsh realities around them. Yet its to be by Truth alone that God wants His flock to learn to OVER COME! Not, escape reality. Overcome! those realities.

Only the truth will make you free. Not dogma. Dogma will offer the religious a mental world to escape into. Hindus with their idols do it all the time. Catholics with their statues and rituals do it in their way. That's why we find the very religious. Not, spiritual being guided into all truth. Now, there are all kinds of varieties to be found. For, Jesus warned that that way is "broad and wide."

Dogma creates presumptions based upon ignorance of what the Word declares. Dogmas that some love to escape into. Like you must be water baptized to be saved. That another example. Its a make believe world. They escape into their make believe world while they think they are great in faith. Some souls with another type of dogma will fly themselves into buildings in order to fulfill their 'dogma-wish.'

Religion is dangerous wherever we find it. Be it by distorting the Bible into dogma... or some other religious book. Certain Christians, the way they think?.. If they were born in Muslim countries?... Would be faithful Muslims. Dogma is the opiate of the people. Christianity makes you receive (by grace) clarity and insight into reality... Not, escaping reality by taking parts of the Bible and forming dogma to cling to.

So be it!

Genesis 11:1-2

Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.
As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled
there.​

That was where the WHOLE WORD was manifested! Where? On a single plain located on the huge planet earth.

We must learn to understand how words were understood at the time of writing of the Bible, or we will will be lost without understanding,,, but thinking we are wise.....


.

 

[GenemZ]

It is you who is reading between the lines and filling in the blanks...with speculation.

The bible tellsus the whole earth was flooded...NOT, and I repeat, NOT a localized area. If you could present a verse that shows it was a local flood the present one or abandon your idea.

This quote from the bible has language that refers to the entire earth " 17I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.

It doesn't say everything in the known earth...where the people of that time lived. To add to that, later we read "19They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.

How do you cover the mountains with 15 cubits of water and have a local flood? You need to re-write the account of the flood to make it a local flood.

I trust you stand corrected.

There are mountain ranges around the world that are much higher than the mountain range referred to.

What we fail to see? God could have easily stacked up the waters to completely flood out the small area of the planet where man was residing at that time. Man was not scattered all over the face of the earth until later as found in Genesis 11. Man by nature had to be FORCED to scatter. That is why we had the tower of Babel. Men, up until then, were herd bound by nature.

Mankind was merely in his infancy. If you read the genealogies preceding the flood you will see that men were very old before they bore even their first child. Man was not multiplying rapidly great in numbers.

We all must study and learn together the Word to discover how God can work! For, the Lord has the power to heap up flood waters high, and yet keep the waters all contained within His precise designated area, at the same time!

Exodus 15:8

The waters heaped up at the blast of Your nostrils;
the currents stood firm like a dam.
The watery depths congealed in the heart of the sea.​

Joshua 3:12-13

Now then, choose twelve men from the tribes of Israel, one from each tribe.
And as soon as the priests who carry the ark of the Lord—the Lord of all the
earth—set foot in the Jordan, its waters flowing downstream will be cut off
and stand up in a heap.”​

There is a reason why all these truths were recorded. For our edification, and by means of God's grace-guided correlation, that we should be eventuating into insight as God wills! The Truth will make you free! Just like insight into the new invention of the Atomic bomb made us free from WWll.

Philippians 1:9

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more
in knowledge and depth of insight.



.​

 

[-57]

There are mountain ranges around the world that are much higher than the mountain range referred to.

What we fail to see? God could have easily stacked up the waters to completely flood out the small area of the planet where man was residing at that time. Man was not scattered all over the face of the earth until later as found in Genesis 11. Man by nature had to be FORCED to scatter. That is why we had the tower of Babel. Men, up until then, were herd bound by nature.

Mankind was merely in his infancy. If you read the genealogies preceding the flood you will see that men were very old before they bore even their first child. Man was not multiplying rapidly great in numbers.

We all must study and learn together the Word to discover how God can work! For, the Lord has the power to heap up flood waters high, and yet keep the waters all contained within His precise designated area, at the same time!

Exodus 15:8

The waters heaped up at the blast of Your nostrils;
the currents stood firm like a dam.
The watery depths congealed in the heart of the sea.​

Joshua 3:12-13

Now then, choose twelve men from the tribes of Israel, one from each tribe.
And as soon as the priests who carry the ark of the Lord—the Lord of all the
earth—set foot in the Jordan, its waters flowing downstream will be cut off
and stand up in a heap.”​

There is a reason why all these truths were recorded. For our edification, and by means of God's grace-guided correlation, that we should be eventuating into insight as God wills! The Truth will make you free! Just like insight into the new invention of the Atomic bomb made us free from WWll.

Philippians 1:9

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more
in knowledge and depth of insight.



.​

You can tell yourself that all say long.....but it's not what the bible says.

Yes, the Lord could have heaped up the waters...but Genesis doesn't say that. You change the scripture when you tell people the flood was localized.

 

[Aman777]

You are too limited in your knowledge at this time, and its causing you to run with dogmatic presumptions. You must learn how words were used at the time of writing. If you do not? You will be imposing our present way of seeing things, upon how they saw things. Here is the "world" that was destroyed in Noah's flood. THIS is how they used the word.

Genesis 11. Have you read it carefully? Where man lived? That is what constituted what they called the world. They had no concept of one big round planet. How could they? Where man lived? That is what they called "the world."

Genesis 11:1-2

Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.
As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled
there.​

Where was that whole world being manifested? It was living on a single plain in Shinar.

Man had not yet been scattered all over the surface of the earth! Yet, that is what is referred to as the "whole world."

Please! Get to understand how words were used at the time of writing, or you will not be able to stand against the merciless system of the world. They will crush you, and you will think you are being martyred for God. But, you'll be no better than a religious suicidal Muslim believing in lies, who looks for Paradise. If the foundation is not the Truth? God sees it as not his Son being manifested. For his Son is only manifested where His Word is accurate and true. Jesus was the Word made flesh!

We all need to learn this. We all need at times to be tested by God by being humiliated by having our own ignorance exposed at times. That is why Jesus told us, if we are to follow Him we must deny self and die.. To take up our personal crosses. Our old ignorant self must die to be left behind buried in a grave if we are to know the transforming resurrection life to be discovered in Christ!

God destroyed the whole corrupted world in Noah's flood. The whole surviving world was later found living on a single plain in Shinar. That is how the word "world" was sometimes used and understood in those days!

The flood was intended for the destruction of the whole world that had become corrupted by the evil mutation of angelic infiltration.

We will never get it if we are the kind of heart that jumps at dogma and clings without thinking. Those who refuse correction when its given. Being rreligious souls who cling to dogma so they can have something to lock their minds onto as to push out the harsh realities around them. Yet its to be by Truth alone that God wants His flock to learn to OVER COME! Not, escape reality. Overcome! those realities.

Only the truth will make you free. Not dogma. Dogma will offer the religious a mental world to escape into. Hindus with their idols do it all the time. Catholics with their statues and rituals do it in their way. That's why we find the very religious. Not, spiritual being guided into all truth. Now, there are all kinds of varieties to be found. For, Jesus warned that that way is "broad and wide."

Dogma creates presumptions based upon ignorance of what the Word declares. Dogmas that some love to escape into. Like you must be water baptized to be saved. That another example. Its a make believe world. They escape into their make believe world while they think they are great in faith. Some souls with another type of dogma will fly themselves into buildings in order to fulfill their 'dogma-wish.'

Religion is dangerous wherever we find it. Be it by distorting the Bible into dogma... or some other religious book. Certain Christians, the way they think?.. If they were born in Muslim countries?... Would be faithful Muslims. Dogma is the opiate of the people. Christianity makes you receive (by grace) clarity and insight into reality... Not, escaping reality by taking parts of the Bible and forming dogma to cling to.

So be it!

Genesis 11:1-2

Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.
As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled
there.​

That was where the WHOLE WORD was manifested! Where? On a single plain located on the huge planet earth.

We must learn to understand how words were understood at the time of writing of the Bible, or we will will be lost without understanding,,, but thinking we are wise.....
.

Sorry, BUT it is not me who is confused but you. You falsely assume that ancient men wrote the Bible but this is False. The Holy Spirit "moved" the men who penned the words from inside them.

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The people who thought they understood the Bible came to this Earth and settled in Shinar, but they were NOT it's Author. They were of ONE language since ALL Humans on Earth at that time were the descendants of Noah, who came from Adam's Earth where they WERE of one language, 11,000 years ago. God, the Holy Spirit IS the Supreme Intelligence of Creation and you are downgrading His knowledge with your view that ancient men authored and wrote the Bible.

I also noticed that you did not address the Scriptural FACT that Adam's firmament, which God called Heaven, was made on the 2nd Day Gen 1:8 and other HeavenS (plural) were made on the next Day, the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 Are you saying that the Holy Spirit didn't know this?

 

[Job8]

I'm after thoughts and opinions Gods 7-day creation. Did Moses right it as a narrative to the Israelites? Is Genesis all figurative language?

Moses wrote the words of God. Those words are to be taken in their plain literal sense unless there is compelling reason to believe that we are looking at a metaphor or figurative language.

Creation week (six days of creation followed by one day of rest) is exactly what is revealed in Genesis. These were literal 24 hours days beginning in the evening and ending in the evening (hence evening and morning defined the day). Here is incontrovertible proof that creation week was identical to our week (Exodus 20:8-11 KJB):

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[Aman777]

There are mountain ranges around the world that are much higher than the mountain range referred to.

What we fail to see? God could have easily stacked up the waters to completely flood out the small area of the planet where man was residing at that time. Man was not scattered all over the face of the earth until later as found in Genesis 11. Man by nature had to be FORCED to scatter. That is why we had the tower of Babel. Men, up until then, were herd bound by nature.

Mankind was merely in his infancy. If you read the genealogies preceding the flood you will see that men were very old before they bore even their first child. Man was not multiplying rapidly great in numbers.

We all must study and learn together the Word to discover how God can work! For, the Lord has the power to heap up flood waters high, and yet keep the waters all contained within His precise designated area, at the same time!

Exodus 15:8

The waters heaped up at the blast of Your nostrils;
the currents stood firm like a dam.
The watery depths congealed in the heart of the sea.​

Joshua 3:12-13

Now then, choose twelve men from the tribes of Israel, one from each tribe.
And as soon as the priests who carry the ark of the Lord—the Lord of all the
earth—set foot in the Jordan, its waters flowing downstream will be cut off
and stand up in a heap.”​

There is a reason why all these truths were recorded. For our edification, and by means of God's grace-guided correlation, that we should be eventuating into insight as God wills! The Truth will make you free! Just like insight into the new invention of the Atomic bomb made us free from WWll.

Philippians 1:9

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more
in knowledge and depth of insight.



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Sorry, but you are confusing Adam's Earth, the world that "THEN WAS" with the present Earth. Adam's Earth, the Flat one, was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:6 The present Earth will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 The 3rd Heaven ll Cor 12:2 is the object of the Creation and it is where Christians will live AFTER the world "which is now" ll Peter 3:7 is burned. It is also called the New Heaven and New Earth in Rev 21:1.

Adam's world was much smaller than ours and it was totally destroyed along with the first Humans (descendants of Adam) and the History of the First Human farming on this Earth AGREES as this map shows:

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

 

[Aman777]

Moses wrote the words of God. Those words are to be taken in their plain literal sense unless there is compelling reason to believe that we are looking at a metaphor or figurative language.

Creation week (six days of creation followed by one day of rest) is exactly what is revealed in Genesis. These were literal 24 hours days beginning in the evening and ending in the evening (hence evening and morning defined the day). Here is incontrovertible proof that creation week was identical to our week (Exodus 20:8-11 KJB):

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Not so, since we STILL live on the present 6th Day/Age which will NOT end until the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 is fulfilled. The 6th Day began when the Lord God (Jesus) made the beasts of the field and birds and Adam named them. Gen 2:19 This Day (Yowm-period of time) will NOT end until AFTER Jesus rules and reigns here for a thousand years.

This means that each of God's Days is billions of years in length, in man's time. Since God is presently in the 3rd Heaven and is NOT subject to the movement of the Stars in our 2nd Heaven, but lives in the eternal present, the end of the present 6th Day is in the FUTURE. Amen?

 

[GenemZ]

You can tell yourself that all say long.....but it's not what the bible says.

Yes, the Lord could have heaped up the waters...but Genesis doesn't say that. You change the scripture when you tell people the flood was localized.

All the world was "localized." I'm not going to argue and be stupid. I will let what I showed you in Genesis 11, about what "all the world" meant at the time of writing. If you can not even address that? I will not be stupid to argue with you.