7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[Aman777]

Even if Lions were plant eaters...the verse is still future.
Ptior to the fall of Adam and Eve in the garden I believe Lions were plant eaters.

It's not complete according to the Hebrew imperfect tense of the word, BUT it is in the past IF you look at it in English tense. That is WHY God told us:

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

God hid His Truth from unbelievers by making it available ONLY to those who are born Spiritually in Christ. 1Co 2:14 Amen?

 

[Kenneth Redden]

You're right....God did it in six.

Actually, I think God created the Universe in which we live, at the beginning of the fourth day of the Creation.

 

[-57]

Actually, I think God created the Universe in which we live, at the beginning of the fourth day of the Creation.

Yes, God spread out the stars....lots of interesting theories on how He did it.

 

[-57]

It's not complete according to the Hebrew imperfect tense of the word, BUT it is in the past IF you look at it in English tense. That is WHY God told us:

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

God hid His Truth from unbelievers by making it available ONLY to those who are born Spiritually in Christ. 1Co 2:14 Amen?

Your problem is this....while you are trying to rightly divide the word of truth...you wrongfully divide the days of creation.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Yes, God spread out the stars....lots of interesting theories on how He did it.

I think He did it according to the heaven and the earth of the third day of the Creation, the day in which He arose from the grave.

 

[-57]

I think He did it according to the heaven and the earth of the third day of the Creation, the day in which He arose from the grave, alive for evermore.

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[Kenneth Redden]

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That is not what I believe.

 

[-57]

That is not what I believe.

What do you believe?

 

[Kenneth Redden]

What do you believe?

I believe that today is the fourth day of the Creation, the last fourth day, the day He made the stars also, Genesis 1:16.

 

[mark kennedy]

Genesis 1 is, amongst other things, a quiet polemic against the pagan gods. Whereas they were thought of as having responsibility for different aspects of creation, Genesis 1 is saying that the God of Israel is Creator and Lord of all things.

No God did not create the universe in seven days.

No God made the universe, the 'heavens and the earth', in an instant. The creation of life in general and man in particular happened over the space of 6 days but the actual creation didn't take all day. The phrase, 'heaven and the earth', is a Hebrew expression meaning the universe. All we really get from this passage is that the cosmos and earth were created, 'in the beginning'. The perspective of creation week is from the surface of the earth, starting with the Spirit of God hovering over the deep (Gen. 1:2). In the chapter there are three words used for God's work in creation. The first is 'created' ('bara' H1254) a very precise term used only of God.

Create ‘bara’ (H1254) - 'This verb has profound theological significance, since it has only God as it’s subject. Only God can create in the sense implied by bara. The verb expresses the idea of creation out of nothing...(Vines Expository Dictionary)
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It is used once to describe the creation of the universe (Gen 1:1), then again to describe the creation of life (Gen 1:21). Finally, in the closing verses, it is used three times for the creation of Adam and Eve (Gen. 1:27).

The doctrine of creation isn't just an historical narrative that can be taken literally or figuratively, it's a New Testament doctrine inextricably linked to original sin. The Scriptures offer an explanation for man's fallen nature, how we inherited it exactly is not important but when Adam and Eve sinned we did not fast. This is affirmed in the New Testament in no uncertain terms by Luke in his genealogy, in Paul's exposition of the Gospel in Romans and even Jesus called the marriage of Adam and Eve 'the beginning'.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[lesliedellow]

No God made the universe, the 'heavens and the earth', in an instant. The creation of life in general and man in particular happened over the space of 6 days but the actual creation didn't take all day. The phrase, 'heaven and the earth', is a Hebrew expression meaning the universe. All we really get from this passage is that the cosmos and earth were created, 'in the beginning'. The perspective of creation week is from the surface of the earth, starting with the Spirit of God hovering over the deep (Gen. 1:2). In the chapter there are three words used for God's work in creation. The first is 'created' ('bara' H1254) a very precise term used only of God.

Create ‘bara’ (H1254) - 'This verb has profound theological significance, since it has only God as it’s subject. Only God can create in the sense implied by bara. The verb expresses the idea of creation out of nothing...(Vines Expository Dictionary)
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It is used once to describe the creation of the universe (Gen 1:1), then again to describe the creation of life (Gen 1:21). Finally, in the closing verses, it is used three times for the creation of Adam and Eve (Gen. 1:27).

The doctrine of creation isn't just an historical narrative that can be taken literally or figuratively, it's a New Testament doctrine inextricably linked to original sin. The Scriptures offer an explanation for man's fallen nature, how we inherited it exactly is not important but when Adam and Eve sinned we did not fast. This is affirmed in the New Testament in no uncertain terms by Luke in his genealogy, in Paul's exposition of the Gospel in Romans and even Jesus called the marriage of Adam and Eve 'the beginning'.

Grace and peace,
Mark

Perhaps you could answer St Augustine's question. How did there come to be days and nights before there was a Sun?

 

[-57]

I believe that today is the fourth day of the Creation, the last fourth day, the day He made the stars also, Genesis 1:16.

I'm not saying starlight and time is how it happened, I'm saying it's a neat theory...but what I do know is that we are way past day 4.

 

[mark kennedy]

I believe that today is the fourth day of the Creation, the last fourth day, the day He made the stars also, Genesis 1:16.

When God 'set' (nathan H2414), the lights of the sun, moon and stars so that their light is regularly visible from the surface of the earth. There are three terms used in Genesis 1 to describe God's work during creation week, they are translated 'created', 'made' and 'set'. The heavens and the earth were 'created' along with the sun and the stars, when God 'set' the sun, moon and stars in the heavens he was adjusting the atmosphere

Set (nathan H5414) A primitive root; to give, used with greatest latitude of application (Gen 1:17, Gen 9:13, Gen 18:8, Gen 30:40, Gen 41:41). Elsewhere translated ‘put’, ‘make’, ‘cause’, etc.
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Perhaps you could answer St Augustine's question. How did there come to be days and nights before there was a Sun?

Alternative interpretations exist, they were created 'in the beginning' but were 'set' in the heavens on the fourth day:

Neither here nor in verses 14-18 is an original creative act implied. A different word is used. The sense is, made to appear; made visible. The sun and the moon were created in the beginning. The light of course came from the sun, but the vapour diffused the light. Later the sun appeared in an unclouded sky (The Scofield Reference Bible, edited by C.I. Scofield, New York, Oxford University Press, 1909, p. 3, note 4).
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Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[-57]

Perhaps you could answer St Augustine's question. How did there come to be days and nights before there was a Sun?

One very simple answer....Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light...later that light was replaced by the sun.

 

[lesliedellow]

One very simple answer....Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light...later that light was replaced by the sun.

Sure. I will believe anything. Presumably that light switched itself on and off at twelve hour intervals, as well.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

I believe the heaven and the earth were created from the beginning, which is the everlasting/first day. This is where scripture comes from; up until the book of Psalms. The book of Psalms was said for the second day. The Spirit of God speaks from Genesis 1:2 in Proverbs 8:22, from the third day, which lasts throughout the remainder of the Bible. Today is the fourth day, the dispensation of the grace of God, Ephesians 3:2.

 

[Aman777]

Your problem is this....while you are trying to rightly divide the word of truth...you wrongfully divide the days of creation.

Not so since you, nor anyone else, can show us a time in History when ALL living creatures were Vegetarians:

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

If this verse isn't prophecy, then show us when, in the past, that Lions ate straw like the ox:

Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. Isa 11:10 ¶ And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and His rest shall be glorious.

Jesus is the root of Jesse, who was David's father, which reveals that the prophecy of Gen 1:30 happens AFTER Jesus returns to this planet at Armageddon. If you disagree, then post supporting Scripture which refutes these verses.

 

[Aman777]

I believe the heaven and the earth were created from the beginning, which is the everlasting/first day. This is where scripture comes from; up until the book of Psalms. The book of Psalms was said for the second day. The Spirit of God speaks from Genesis 1:2 in Proverbs 8:22, from the third day, which lasts throughout the remainder of the Bible.

Believing doesn't make it so as the following verse shows:

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Posting support from God's Holy Word is required to convince Bible believers.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

I think one of the purposes of Genesis 1:30, is to verify that animals were not privy to every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed. This is seen in Genesis 9:3, at the beginning of the third day; where they have every moving thing that shall be meat for them; even as the green herb, but no fruit of a tree yielding seed.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Believing doesn't make it so as the following verse shows:

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Posting support from God's Holy Word is required to convince Bible believers.

Okay, what do you need to know?