7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[Mrs_RC]

According to whom? BTW God did not need six days for creation, since He could have accomplished everything at the same instant. He chose this pattern for the sake of man (Exodus 20:8-11): Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

According to every sane person on the planet and overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That's according to whom.

 

[mark kennedy]

I'm after thoughts and opinions Gods 7-day creation. Did Moses right it as a narrative to the Israelites? Is Genesis all figurative language?

Thoughts and opinions on the controversial topic!

Day means day, a literal 24 hour day, and if you can produce an argument to the contrary based on the Genesis 1 account I would love to see it.

 

[Winepress777]

I'm after thoughts and opinions Gods 7-day creation. Did Moses right it as a narrative to the Israelites? Is Genesis all figurative language?

Thoughts and opinions on the controversial topic!

Figurative of course. For instance, any Bible student would know that it wasn't twenty four hour days of creation. All the examples of a day being thousands of years, it would just be a blind faith assumption, then they call it good lol

 

[mark kennedy]

Figurative of course.

There is no figurative language in the Genesis account of creation, certainly not in the New Testament references to creation. How do you defend that statement Biblically?

 

[Winepress777]

There is no figurative language in the Genesis account of creation, certainly not in the New Testament references to creation. How do you defend that statement Biblically?

You can't seriously be asking that... are you pulling my leg? Well just in case not, here is one...

(2Pe 3:8) But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

I'd recommend that if you are serious about your post to me, that you follow Peter's advise to "not forget this one thing" when you want to talk to me about how "long" a day was in Genesis.

 

[mark kennedy]

You can't seriously be asking that... are you pulling my leg? Well just in case not, here is one...

Whatever gets mentioned or discussed, I want to be perfectly clear, I am dead serious.

(2Pe 3:8) But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Check the context, the heart of the emphasis is that the return of Christ has not happened yet. Let me ask you a question based on your choice of proof text. Is the return of Christ literal or figurative?

I'd recommend that if you are serious about your post to me, that you follow Peter's advise to "not forget this one thing" when you want to talk to me about how "long" a day was in Genesis.

I am strongly recommending that you take seriously the doctrine of creation. Day is translated in Genesis 1 as day for a reason, if you don't know how to do a simple exposition then don't contradict someone who does. Here is the word:

1. day, time, year
   1. day (as opposed to night)
      
      
   2. day (24 hour period)
      1. as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
         
         
      2. as a division of time
         1. a working day, a day's journey
   3. days, lifetime (pl.)
      
      
   4. time, period (general)
      
      
   5. year
      
      
   6. temporal references
      1. today
         
         
      2. yesterday
         
         
      3. tomorrow

Strong's H3117 - yowm יוֹם

In case you missed it, day in Genesis 1 is defined as a normal 24 hour day, as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1.

I strongly suggest you take me seriously or this gets worse.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Winepress777]

Whatever gets mentioned or discussed, I want to be perfectly clear, I am dead serious.



Check the context, the heart of the emphasis is that the return of Christ has not happened yet. Let me ask you a question based on your choice of proof text. Is the return of Christ literal or figurative?



I am strongly recommending that you take seriously the doctrine of creation. Day is translated in Genesis 1 as day for a reason, if you don't know how to do a simple exposition then don't contradict someone who does. Here is the word:

1. day, time, year
   1. day (as opposed to night)
      
      
   2. day (24 hour period)
      1. as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
         
         
      2. as a division of time
         1. a working day, a day's journey
   3. days, lifetime (pl.)
      
      
   4. time, period (general)
      
      
   5. year
      
      
   6. temporal references
      1. today
         
         
      2. yesterday
         
         
      3. tomorrow

Strong's H3117 - yowm יוֹם

In case you missed it, day in Genesis 1 is defined as a normal 24 hour day, as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1.

I strongly suggest you take me seriously or this gets worse.

Grace and peace,
Mark

I'm sorry, you really haven't an argument. It would seem as though you just attempted to dismantle the meaning of what Peter is trying to teach you. No, I can't take you seriously if you don't take scriptures seriously. If you are serious about thinking God age embedded fossils as a joke, and serious that each day was 24 hours, I can tell you that such talk is embarrassing to Christians. Such talk makes us all look like fools, how could we possible reach a non-believer with that strike against us? Learn your scriptures! Have RESPECT for them. Maybe as well learn some archaeology and the carbon dating process, of which you don't know either it appears...
And try to remember, as Peter said, and don't go adding your own ideas into again...

A DAY WITH THE LORD IS AS A THOUSAND YEARS AND A THOUSAND YEARS AS A DAY.

Get a piece of chalk, write it down a hundred times. Then we'll talk

 

[KWCrazy]

And try to remember, as Peter said, and don't go adding your own ideas into again...
A DAY WITH THE LORD IS AS A THOUSAND YEARS AND A THOUSAND YEARS AS A DAY.
Get a piece of chalk, write it down a hundred times. Then we'll talk

Better yet. Get back with us when you understand it.
Let's look at 2nd Peter 3.
3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

It as an absolute and deliberate falsehood to claim that this verse means the days of creation were a thousand years long. It means that time itself with the lord is meaningless. God is no more constrained by time than by any of the other physical laws of the world He created. The verbiage of Genesis 1 could not be more specific in demonstrating that each of the days of creation was a day consisting of an evening and morning; or one rotation of the earth unless you believe that light was somehow encircling the earth for the first three days.

 

[KWCrazy]

A day in Genesis is a cycle of time, could be a nanosecond, could be a billion years, such as we know it as time is measured. What is important is the number of evenings and mornings, because they're always together, one pair: And the evening and the morning... He could have said, an evening, or another evening, or the next evening, but specifies a definite article.

Okay, so you have billion year days followed by billion year nights in which every living thing dies. Make sense to you?

 

[KWCrazy]

Hi Rider99. Depending on where your knowledge of the history of the Bible is, then you will possibly know that the assembly of the scriptures (written by men, not God) were something of an anthology put together by men, from ancient writings over many decades.

Please explain Matthew 4:4
But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
How could this be if man didn't have the words of God?
Later in that same chapter, Verse 10:
"Then Jesus said to him, 'Away with you, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.'
Written where? How is it that Jesus who IS GOD has such reverence for the Scriptures which are, to you, merely the collected ramblings of Bronze Age shepherds?

Jesus quoted the Scriptures extensively. Why would He do so if they were not the inspired word of God? Do you think that the men who assembled the Bible were evil men intent of perverting the word of God? What was it Christ said in Matthew 5:18?
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

The Scriptures were compiled under the authority of God, who blessed their work. That they were not immediately struck dead by the Lord demonstrates that they were not trying to soil His holy Word by changing what was written.

 

[Papias]

There is no figurative language in the Genesis account of creation, certainly not in the New Testament references to creation. How do you defend that statement Biblically?

So the snake wasn't Satan?

 

[JustHisKid]

I'm after thoughts and opinions Gods 7-day creation. Did Moses right it as a narrative to the Israelites? Is Genesis all figurative language?

Thoughts and opinions on the controversial topic!

Only God knows, but a God who can create all things can certainly do it in seven days if He so wishes.

 

[Job8]

There is no figurative language in the Genesis account of creation, certainly not in the New Testament references to creation. How do you defend that statement Biblically?

This is exactly right. The fact that each day is defined by evening and morning is sufficient to establish that these are 24 hour days, not figurative days of 1,000 years or 1,000,000 years. The fact that they are shown as literal days in the Ten Commandments (quoted above) is further proof. The fact that Christ treated the creation account as literal, factual and historical in relation to Adam and Eve is further confirmation that there is nothing "figurative" in that narrative.

Self-deception about this is bad enough. Attempting to deceive others about this is far more serious. And categorically rejecting the creation account in favor of the myth of evolution is utter foolishness.

 

[JustHisKid]

This is exactly right. The fact that each day is defined by evening and morning is sufficient to establish that these are 24 hour days, not figurative days of 1,000 years or 1,000,000 years. The fact that they are shown as literal days in the Ten Commandments (quoted above) is further proof. The fact that Christ treated the creation account as literal, factual and historical in relation to Adam and Eve is further confirmation that there is nothing "figurative" in that narrative.

Self-deception about this is bad enough. Attempting to deceive others about this is far more serious. And categorically rejecting the creation account in favor of the myth of evolution is utter foolishness.

Amen.

 

[Winepress777]

Better yet. Get back with us when you understand it.
Let's look at 2nd Peter 3.
3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

It as an absolute and deliberate falsehood to claim that this verse means the days of creation were a thousand years long. It means that time itself with the lord is meaningless. God is no more constrained by time than by any of the other physical laws of the world He created. The verbiage of Genesis 1 could not be more specific in demonstrating that each of the days of creation was a day consisting of an evening and morning; or one rotation of the earth unless you believe that light was somehow encircling the earth for the first three days.

It is an absolute and deliberate falsehood to claim that the other verses surround Peter's verse nullify the UNIVERSAL CONSTANT of verse 8, just for your convenience... just so you can continue a pointless claim with your carnal "rational".

Please, without any more carnal spinning, get that chalk out. Write 100 times;

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

And this time DON'T FORGET! It is embarrassing for a Christian to be associated seriously with such obvious illiteracy.

 

[mark kennedy]

This is exactly right. The fact that each day is defined by evening and morning is sufficient to establish that these are 24 hour days, not figurative days of 1,000 years or 1,000,000 years. The fact that they are shown as literal days in the Ten Commandments (quoted above) is further proof. The fact that Christ treated the creation account as literal, factual and historical in relation to Adam and Eve is further confirmation that there is nothing "figurative" in that narrative.

Self-deception about this is bad enough. Attempting to deceive others about this is far more serious. And categorically rejecting the creation account in favor of the myth of evolution is utter foolishness.

While uncommon historically it is not unheard of for Christian commentator to take the word for day in the Genesis account figuratively, Origen did, what cannot be taken figuratively is original sin:

EVERYONE in the world FALLS PROSTRATE under SIN. And it is the Lord who sets up those who are cast down and who sustains all who are falling [Psalm 145:14]. IN ADAM ALL DIE, and THUS the world FALLS PROSTRATE and requires to be SET UP AGAIN, so that in Christ all may be made to live [1 Cor 15:22]. (Homilies on Jeremias 8:1) (ORIGEN 244 AD) On the doctrine of Original Sin - Church Fathers​

The Nicene Creed begins with an affirmation of God as Creator:

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made. (Nicene Creed)​

That's the whole problem with Theistic Evolution, they have no doctrine of creation. As far as I can tell they have no doctrine period.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[mark kennedy]

So the snake wasn't Satan?

Serpent is more like a proper name

And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. (Rev 12:9)​

 

[mark kennedy]

I'm sorry, you really haven't an argument. It would seem as though you just attempted to dismantle the meaning of what Peter is trying to teach you. No, I can't take you seriously if you don't take scriptures seriously. If you are serious about thinking God age embedded fossils as a joke, and serious that each day was 24 hours, I can tell you that such talk is embarrassing to Christians. Such talk makes us all look like fools, how could we possible reach a non-believer with that strike against us? Learn your scriptures! Have RESPECT for them. Maybe as well learn some archaeology and the carbon dating process, of which you don't know either it appears...
And try to remember, as Peter said, and don't go adding your own ideas into again...

A DAY WITH THE LORD IS AS A THOUSAND YEARS AND A THOUSAND YEARS AS A DAY.

The rule of thumb is that when the Scriptures are being figurative there is a 'like' or 'as' in the language. Peter is not equivocating a day with a thousand years like you are trying to do, the presence of the 'as' clearly indicates figurative language. There is no such language in the Genesis account of creation.

I do care about Scripture enough not to twist and distort the message. There is an old saying, a text without a context is a pretext. Your argument isn't even a pretext, it's an equivocation fallacy.

Get a piece of chalk, write it down a hundred times. Then we'll talk

It's one thing for evolutionists to pontificate about science but when you discuss the Scriptures with someone who has studied it's the height of arrogance to think you can play fast and loose with the Scriptures and not get called out on it. Darwinians think all they have to do is insult creationists in order to be scientific, no study or serious thought required. When you let it get into you theology the problem gets far more serious.

Have a nice day
Mark

 

[mark kennedy]

double post

 

[Winepress777]

The rule of thumb is that when the Scriptures are being figurative there is a 'like' or 'as' in the language. Peter is not equivocating a day with a thousand years like you are trying to do, the presence of the 'as' clearly indicates figurative language. There is no such language in the Genesis account of creation.

I do care about Scripture enough not to twist and distort the message. There is an old saying, a text without a context is a pretext. Your argument isn't even a pretext, it's an equivocation fallacy.

Have a nice day
Mark

Get a piece of chalk, write it down a hundred times. Then we'll talk

[/QUOTE]
You aren't even in the same Book, let alone the same page. You get an "F" for this discussion. You have no comprehension of hermeneutics or exegesis, or how to compare spiritual things with spiritual. Against all wisdom and against the Word of God, you openly defile yourself repeatedly in this topic. You definitely need to be on "receive" instead of "transmit". You are only embarrassing yourself before God and Man. Cheers