60 Minutes edits Harris Interview

[BPPLEE]

Is lofty the same as uppity?

Race card played

 

[FenderTL5]

Although Wikipedia is hardly an authoritative source, I will concede your point that "word salad" may not be the best descriptor of Harris' responses. Instead, I'll use grandiloquence.

Grandiloquence is a lofty, high-flown style of talking that has a lot of fluff but may lack substance. It’s too grand to be eloquent, so grandiloquence is usually annoying.​

I've heard it called "corporate speak" or marketing jargon.. but your choice is also appropriate.

 

[probinson]

Is lofty the same as uppity?

Good question. Why don't you email the fine folks at vocabulary.com and ask them since I was quoting their definition.

 

[BPPLEE]

Haven't we thoroughly explored this already? The fact that she has appeared in numerous live shows lately--on television, radio, and online--should be enough evidence that she clearly thinks on her feet and knows her stuff. Tomorrow she'll be with Charlemagne the God, a podcast host with a huge black male following. She's reaching out, live, authentically. 60 Minutes is over.

The View, Howard Stern, Stephen Colbert, Oprah Winfrey, Charlemagne the God, The Who's Your Daddy podcast and the other shows she's appeared on are not serious journalists.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

The transcript will become available November 6th, after it makes no difference.

I'm not sure it would make a difference anyway. People will still vote for her regardless because "Orange man bad" and she sports a (D) after her name on the ballot

 

[ViaCrucis]

I'm not sure it would make a difference anyway. People will still vote for her regardless because "Orange man bad" and she sports a (D) after her name on the ballot

I will admit that a major factor for me voting for Harris this November is that she isn't Donald Trump.

But after over eight years, half of which had the man as the CIC, of observing and hearing Trump say or do, well, anything--it's pretty reasonable.

When Trump first announced he was running in 2015, I had no intention to vote for a Republican. But that was mostly based on my experience of living through a two-term Dubya presidency. At the time I genuinely didn't think he would get the Republican nomination, the GOP had way better offerings. I was, at the time, rather astonished that Trump ended up as the nominee--and the more he spoke, the more unhinged he seemed to be. My desire to not vote for a Republican was based on politics. I hated Hillary Clinton, she was the worst choice the Democrats could have went with in 2016. However, if you really tried you can go back in my posting history here and you'll see that I am on record for saying that I would have sooner voted for one of my dog's bowel movements than vote for Donald Trump.

I said that, not because of media propaganda. But because I have existed on this planet since the 1980's, and I remember Donald Trump before he got into politics. And because the unhinged things he said were, well, unhinged.

Watching Donald Trump become the Republican nominee, and then win in 2016, and then realize that being in office wasn't going to make him better or take the job as president seriously (and, let me be clear, I genuinely was hopeful and optimistic that the White House would make him better) it's become abundantly clear that the man who was unfit for the presidency in 2016 has not become more fit.

When he lost in 2020 he violated what is perhaps one of the most sacred traditions of the United States--the peaceful transition of power. Growing up, the peaceful transition of power was one of those things that I was taught that made America, perhaps not unique, but stable and a beacon of liberty in a world of often unstable and authoritarian states. The American experiment of democracy survived, and thrived, because of a government that could handle a regular transition, the reigns could be handed over. And only one time did that experiment come close to failing, when Abraham Lincoln was elected president and a number of southern states tried to leave the Union out of fear that Lincoln's election would mean they'd lose the right to own human beings as property, in which they started a war. We faced that crisis, we survived it. And I never would have, in my lifetime, imagined that we'd be at a razor's thin edge to seeing the death of my country. But that almost happened, on January 6th of 2021 I watched as a violent mass of Trump supporters, egged on by their leader, having lied to them for months about the election being rigged, were willing to march to and then attack the Capitol building where Congress was certifying the results of the election. That they would bring a gallows with the intent to find Mike Pence, Donald Trump's own Vice President, and have him murdered because he refused to violate his sworn oath to the US Constitution and uphold the system of democratic principles we have upheld for over 250 years. I watched, in horror, as this country nearly was toppled over by a mob.

And I have, in the years since then, watched as Donald Trump has continued to lie about that day, about the election, and continue to say unhinged and horrible things. I have watched as the Republican Party has capitulated, genuflected, out of fear of his followers and movement, to become a party that I merely didn't agree with politically, but which was seemingly willing to excuse anything--and seemingly willing to watch this republic burned to the ground.

So when I say that a big reason I will vote for Kamala Harris is because she's not Trump. That's not me playing a fun little game of politics. This isn't the ordinary game of tug'o'war between Republicans and Democrats that we've had for the last 150 years. When I say I'm voting for Harris because she's not Trump, I'm saying I'm voting to keep the United States of America alive. I'm voting for the Republic. I'm voting for America. I'm voting for Freedom and Liberty. I'm saying no to tyranny. I'm being a patriot. This is me, taking a stand, for the Red, White, and Blue.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[KCfromNC]

Good question. Why don't you email the fine folks at vocabulary.com and ask them since I was quoting their definition.

They weren't responsible for the word choice in the post I quoted.

 

[probinson]

They weren't responsible for the word choice in the post I quoted.

Sure they were. Here, I'll post a screenshot for you since you seem to be having a hard time differentiating between what I wrote and what I referenced.

 

[KCfromNC]

Sure they were. Here, I'll post a screenshot for you since you seem to be having a hard time differentiating between what I wrote and what I referenced.

Is the argument you didn't know what the word meant when you chose it, even after posting a definition of that word? Seems like a strange attempt to salvage the talking point, but please, keep on going.

 

[probinson]

Is the argument you didn't know what the word meant when you chose it, even after posting a definition of that word? Seems like a strange attempt to salvage the talking point, but please, keep on going.

Of course, I knew what it meant. I posted the definition for everyone reading to see (with a link).

Then you, rather dishonestly, accused me of using the word "lofty" in place of the word "uppity", which came entirely from your wildly vivid imagination. At no point did I use the word "uppity", nor did I imply it, nor was it in the definition I posted. You just invented it as a talking point, as you're wont to do.

 

[KCfromNC]

Of course, I knew what it meant.

Finally a straight answer.

I posted the definition for everyone reading to see (with a link).

Since we're sharing links : Thesaurus results for UPPITY. Look what word shows up...

Then you, rather dishonestly, accused me of using the word "lofty" in place of the word "uppity"

That's not true. Something about a boogeyman of your own making and intellectually honest conversation comes to mind.

 

[probinson]

Finally a straight answer.

Would that you could do the same...

Since we're sharing links : Thesaurus results for UPPITY. Look what word shows up...

Hoo boy you really got me there. In a list of MORE THAN NINETY synonyms for "uppity", "lofty" does make the list (at #45). Right next to "saucy".

That's not true.

Sure it is. You asked if "lofty" was the same as "uppity". And again, neither my post, nor the definition I referenced, used the word "uppity". The word "lofty" was in the definition of "grandiloquence on vocabulary.com.

Do you think Harris fits the definition of being grandiloquent?

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I will admit that a major factor for me voting for Harris this November is that she isn't Donald Trump.

But after over eight years, half of which had the man as the CIC, of observing and hearing Trump say or do, well, anything--it's pretty reasonable.

When Trump first announced he was running in 2015, I had no intention to vote for a Republican. But that was mostly based on my experience of living through a two-term Dubya presidency. At the time I genuinely didn't think he would get the Republican nomination, the GOP had way better offerings. I was, at the time, rather astonished that Trump ended up as the nominee--and the more he spoke, the more unhinged he seemed to be. My desire to not vote for a Republican was based on politics. I hated Hillary Clinton, she was the worst choice the Democrats could have went with in 2016. However, if you really tried you can go back in my posting history here and you'll see that I am on record for saying that I would have sooner voted for one of my dog's bowel movements than vote for Donald Trump.

I said that, not because of media propaganda. But because I have existed on this planet since the 1980's, and I remember Donald Trump before he got into politics. And because the unhinged things he said were, well, unhinged.

Watching Donald Trump become the Republican nominee, and then win in 2016, and then realize that being in office wasn't going to make him better or take the job as president seriously (and, let me be clear, I genuinely was hopeful and optimistic that the White House would make him better) it's become abundantly clear that the man who was unfit for the presidency in 2016 has not become more fit.

When he lost in 2020 he violated what is perhaps one of the most sacred traditions of the United States--the peaceful transition of power. Growing up, the peaceful transition of power was one of those things that I was taught that made America, perhaps not unique, but stable and a beacon of liberty in a world of often unstable and authoritarian states. The American experiment of democracy survived, and thrived, because of a government that could handle a regular transition, the reigns could be handed over. And only one time did that experiment come close to failing, when Abraham Lincoln was elected president and a number of southern states tried to leave the Union out of fear that Lincoln's election would mean they'd lose the right to own human beings as property, in which they started a war. We faced that crisis, we survived it. And I never would have, in my lifetime, imagined that we'd be at a razor's thin edge to seeing the death of my country. But that almost happened, on January 6th of 2021 I watched as a violent mass of Trump supporters, egged on by their leader, having lied to them for months about the election being rigged, were willing to march to and then attack the Capitol building where Congress was certifying the results of the election. That they would bring a gallows with the intent to find Mike Pence, Donald Trump's own Vice President, and have him murdered because he refused to violate his sworn oath to the US Constitution and uphold the system of democratic principles we have upheld for over 250 years. I watched, in horror, as this country nearly was toppled over by a mob.

And I have, in the years since then, watched as Donald Trump has continued to lie about that day, about the election, and continue to say unhinged and horrible things. I have watched as the Republican Party has capitulated, genuflected, out of fear of his followers and movement, to become a party that I merely didn't agree with politically, but which was seemingly willing to excuse anything--and seemingly willing to watch this republic burned to the ground.

So when I say that a big reason I will vote for Kamala Harris is because she's not Trump. That's not me playing a fun little game of politics. This isn't the ordinary game of tug'o'war between Republicans and Democrats that we've had for the last 150 years. When I say I'm voting for Harris because she's not Trump, I'm saying I'm voting to keep the United States of America alive. I'm voting for the Republic. I'm voting for America. I'm voting for Freedom and Liberty. I'm saying no to tyranny. I'm being a patriot. This is me, taking a stand, for the Red, White, and Blue.

-CryptoLutheran

Those are valid reasons for you I suppose I would say the exact opposite is true. Take for instance your last statement on standing for the "red, white, and blue." Would that statement include enforcing the laws that govern this land? I'm sure you'd say yes. So why is it that the current administration refuses to enforce immigration law? More importantly, the candidate you say you'll support as a Patriot, is the one who was tasked with doing so. She has failed and let thousands, possibly millions into the country illegally. Doesn't seem very patriotic to me on her part.

We could go on and on. The reasons you give for NOT wanting to support Trump are typical responses. He has said mean things, or a crowd that said they support him "invaded" the Capital. Well I would ask you to hold ALL politicians to the same impossible standards you put on Trump. If you do so honestly, then you'd likely not vote at all, or write your own name on the ballot because they all say and do dumb stuff from time to time, because they are still human.

 

[KCfromNC]

Would that you could do the same...





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Hoo boy you really got me there. In a list of MORE THAN NINETY synonyms for "uppity", "lofty" does make the list (at #45). Right next to "saucy".



Sure it is. You asked if "lofty" was the same as "uppity". And again, neither my post, nor the definition I referenced, used the word "uppity". The word "lofty" was in the definition of "grandiloquence on vocabulary.com.

Do you think Harris fits the definition of being grandiloquent?

Everyone else notice that despite all the bluster in posts like this, there still isn't an answer to my question?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Those are valid reasons for you I suppose I would say the exact opposite is true. Take for instance your last statement on standing for the "red, white, and blue." Would that statement include enforcing the laws that govern this land? I'm sure you'd say yes. So why is it that the current administration refuses to enforce immigration law?

Why did the Republicans kill the bipartisan border bill earlier this year?

Senate Republicans block border security bill as they campaign on border chaos

Nearly every GOP senator, along with six Democrats, voted to filibuster a bipartisan bill designed to crack down on migration and reduce border crossings.

www.nbcnews.com

Could it be that immigration and the border is one of the big things that Trump's rhetoric has tried to rely on, and Trump wouldn't be able to leverage this had a Biden-backed bipartisan border bill passed? Yes, in fact, I think that's exactly what happened.

More importantly, the candidate you say you'll support as a Patriot, is the one who was tasked with doing so.

The powers of the Vice President are outlined very clearly in the Constitution. How was VP Harris tasked with enforcing immigration law, and how has she failed at that task. Be specific.

She has failed and let thousands, possibly millions into the country illegally. Doesn't seem very patriotic to me on her part.

Be specific. Did she personally go to the border and evade border security to bring in thousands of undocumented immigrants? That obviously didn't happen because I just made it up. But, please, offer specifics.

We could go on and on. The reasons you give for NOT wanting to support Trump are typical responses. He has said mean things, or a crowd that said they support him "invaded" the Capital.

Why put scare quotes around "invaded". They did invade the Capitol. Donald Trump for months lied about election fraud, he spent months lying about losing the election and claiming the election was stolen from him, and trying to convince them that there was a conspiracy to steal their country away. The result of months of that, plus his own agitations on January 6th itself, was an angry and hostile force that violently attacked the Capitol building where the election results were being certified. Trump, turning on his own VP, Mike Pence, meant that even Pence was targeted by the mob--they chanted "hang Mike Pence". They invaded, they broke glass, they beat down doors, they attacked Capitol police. Members of Congress had to find refuge in their own building, to evade a violent bloodthirsty mob attempting a coup against the United States government. And very fortunately, it failed. And very fortunately, many have been arrested and had to face accountability for their treasonous actions that day. However one person who has yet to face account for his treason is Donald Trump himself.

Well I would ask you to hold ALL politicians to the same impossible standards you put on Trump. If you do so honestly, then you'd likely not vote at all, or write your own name on the ballot because they all say and do dumb stuff from time to time, because they are still human.

I, in fact, do hold politicians to the same standard. I don't single out Donald Trump, I don't hold him to a higher or double standard. I apply the same standard to Trump as I would anyone else. If any other politicians said and did the things Trump has said and done, you'd see me saying the same things.

Any person who has as much disdain for the rule of law and for the Constitution, and for the American People as Donald Trump has is unfit for the highest office in the country.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[probinson]

Everyone else notice that despite all the bluster in posts like this, there still isn't an answer to my question?

You asked a question?

If you're referring to your question, "Is lofty the same as uppity?", I directed you to contact the fine people at vocabulary.com since they are the ones that put that word in their definition of grandiloquence. For my part, I believe the word grandiloquent is a spot-on descriptor of Harris. Trump too. Most politicians for that matter.

 

[ViaCrucis]

You asked a question?

If you're referring to your question, "Is lofty the same as uppity?", I directed you to contact the fine people at vocabulary.com since they are the ones that put that word in their definition of grandiloquence. For my part, I believe the word grandiloquent is a spot-on descriptor of Harris. Trump too. Most politicians for that matter.

And yet "lofty" and "uppity" are not the same. If I speak of "the lofty ideals of human freedom and dignity" and replace it with "the uppity ideals of human freedom and dignity" the meaning of the statement is quite different. In the first instance "lofty" carries a sense of nobility, it's a positive statement; in the latter the statement comes across as negative. Lofty carries a positive nuance, uppity a negative one. A person with lofty aspirations is someone reaching for something higher because it is noble or good; a person with uppity ideals is someone who is likely ambitious, self-serving, and arrogant.

Because that's how these words get used in the English language.

Grandiloquent doesn't mean lofty or uppity--but either of those adjectives could apply to grandiloquence depending on context. Is the grandiloquence lofty, is it uppity? Well, context--and in many cases, subjective perception--would inform that. Grandiloquence could be lofty, it could be uppity, or it could simply be very colorful, extravagant, or bombastic. Context would determine that.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[probinson]

And yet "lofty" and "uppity" are not the same.

Yep. I know that. It was the other poster that tried to equate them when he asked, "Is lofty the same as uppity?"

 

[essentialsaltes]

‘60 Minutes’ denies Trump’s accusation that Harris interview was deceptively edited​

In speeches and appearances on his favorite conservative media outlets, Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, insists CBS was deceiving the public by editing the answer for the program as a way to put Harris in a more favorable light.

“This is false,” the program said in a statement posted Sunday on X. “’60 Minutes’ gave an excerpt of our interview to ‘Face the Nation’ that used a longer section of her answer than that on ’60 Minutes.’ Same question. Same answer but a different portion of the response.”

The portion used on “60 Minutes” was “more succinct, which allows time for other subjects in a wide ranging 21 minute long segment.”

Harris’ entire answer appears in a transcript on the CBS News website.

 

[wing2000]

When he lost in 2020 he violated what is perhaps one of the most sacred traditions of the United States--the peaceful transition of power. Growing up, the peaceful transition of power was one of those things that I was taught that made America, perhaps not unique, but stable and a beacon of liberty in a world of often unstable and authoritarian states. The American experiment of democracy survived, and thrived, because of a government that could handle a regular transition, the reigns could be handed over. And only one time did that experiment come close to failing, when Abraham Lincoln was elected president and a number of southern states tried to leave the Union out of fear that Lincoln's election would mean they'd lose the right to own human beings as property, in which they started a war. We faced that crisis, we survived it. And I never would have, in my lifetime, imagined that we'd be at a razor's thin edge to seeing the death of my country. But that almost happened, on January 6th of 2021 I watched as a violent mass of Trump supporters, egged on by their leader, having lied to them for months about the election being rigged, were willing to march to and then attack the Capitol building where Congress was certifying the results of the election. That they would bring a gallows with the intent to find Mike Pence, Donald Trump's own Vice President, and have him murdered because he refused to violate his sworn oath to the US Constitution and uphold the system of democratic principles we have upheld for over 250 years. I watched, in horror, as this country nearly was toppled over by a mob.

And I have, in the years since then, watched as Donald Trump has continued to lie about that day, about the election, and continue to say unhinged and horrible things. I have watched as the Republican Party has capitulated, genuflected, out of fear of his followers and movement, to become a party that I merely didn't agree with politically, but which was seemingly willing to excuse anything--and seemingly willing to watch this republic burned to the ground.

QFT

...and with each passing rally, Donald Trump continues to disgrace the office of the Presidency and our country.

I wake up to the news yesterday that Trump travels to Latrobe, PA, the hometown of Arnold Palmer, and jokes about ....well, I don't need to repeat it here.

He is a disgrace.

And I honestly don't understand how so many Americans continue to support a man who has no ethical boundaries or sense of dignity.