5 Questions Evolutionists Can't Answer

Belk · Jul 9, 2013

mathetes123 said:
Judging carries with it the idea of condemning or sentencing another which implies one has the moral authority to pass such judgement, where discernment is the capacity to dintinguish between good and bad choices.

When someone says that lying is wrong they are exercising discernment. No judgement is involved in calling a wrong choice a wrong choice.

Very well. Is it possible for a human to discern if Gods actions are moral or immoral?

Bungle_Bear · Jul 9, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Would the shooting down of American Airlines Flight 11 been good or bad?

With hindsight I'm guessing you'd argue that it would have been good? For anyone to have given that order, though, would have required a whole lot more information and actions first.

Really it's a bit of a stupid question because it relies entirely on hindsight.

AV1611VET · Jul 9, 2013

TLK Valentine said:
Any person who believes in a forgiving God shouldn't have any problem ordering (or committing) any death -- regardless of scale.

Care to answer my question?

AV1611VET · Jul 9, 2013

Bungle_Bear said:
With hindsight I'm guessing you'd argue that it would have been good?

What would you argue?

TLK Valentine · Jul 9, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Care to answer my question?

I did -- you didn't like my answer.

In situ · Jul 9, 2013

AV1611VET said:
I don't believe you.

So you accuse me for being a liar with no evidence to support it... that is not kind of you nor does it show trust which implies you lack love according to scripture (1 Corinthians 13:4-7). And if you do not have love then you are condemned to Hell, again, according to scriptures (Romans 10:9,10, James 2:19-22 and Galatians 5:6).

Loudmouth · Jul 9, 2013

mark kennedy said:
God means 'good'.

So all I need to do is name one of my children "Good" and they will never commit a sin or immoral act, is that what you are saying?

If we can not determine if God's actions are moral or immoral then we have no business claiming that God is good. If we lack this discernment then for all we know God is the epitome of immorality.

In situ · Jul 9, 2013

AV1611VET said:
LOL ... "brainwashed" ... that's one I haven't seen for awhile.

Thank you!

Usually I'm some form of "backwater."

I did not say you are stupid, and I don't believe that either - on the contrary, but I said you been deluded. Not even the most intelligent people are protected from self-deception. Why would you be?

It is evident to an objective observer that you are deluded and you have admitted it to be the case yourself: you "faith away" any facts contrary to your own beliefs. What else is that if not denial and self-deception?

TLK Valentine · Jul 9, 2013

mark kennedy said:
Did the literal meaning of the word elude you somehow? God means 'good'.

And who gave God/"good" His name? We did.

In all the time I have debated atheists I have never been asked for a definition for the core term, 'God'. There's a reason for that and it's a self evident fact, the refection of God's glory in nature.

Right, because naming things defines their reality. Maybe the reason you've never been asked is because it's arbitrary and meaningless?

In situ · Jul 9, 2013

mathetes123 said:
What standard would you use to judge Gods actions

Scripture itself...

mathetes123 said:
and what gives that standard authority by which God should be held accountable?

God himself...

mathetes123 said:
If you say Gods standard you are only demonstrating your ignorance of that standard.

So if I use Gods own word to condemn Gods actions then I am ignornat of Gods own word... makes sense? No....

In situ · Jul 9, 2013

mathetes123 said:
You are in no position to judge Gods actions as one who stands condemned under God's moral law.

Yes he is, namely by God own words and promises... if we find that God does not do what he promises, lies, or contradict himself then we can and are justified in rightfully judge Gods actions... Alternatively we can just say the Bible was written and made up by man and thus we have no basis in judging Gods actions...

But, and because of the fact, you claim the Bible is God words then we have a basis to judge your image of God.

In situ · Jul 9, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Yes ... but our judgment could be wrong.

This implies that Gods own word, i.e the Bible, is not clear to use on what is moral right and wrong and therefore what is moral rights or wrong in the Bible is fallible, therefore the Bible cannot be Gods Words or The Truth...

In situ · Jul 9, 2013

mathetes123 said:
All humans lack the moral authority to judge their creator.

No you just assert that to be the case and, most likely, without intending it you also invalidate the Bible as being True and Gods Words.

You cannot both say we cannot judge God and at the same time say the Bible is Gods True Words... it is a contradiction in itself.

AV1611VET · Jul 9, 2013

In situ said:
So you accuse me for being a liar with no evidence to support it...

No post to support it, either.

Please show me where I accused you of such, or have the decency to retract this flame.

Thank you.

In situ · Jul 9, 2013

mathetes123 said:
He did give you free will. It's your choice to reject Him, just don't blame Him for the results of your's and other's rejection and rebellion against their creator which is the source of all that is wrong in the world that you blame on your creator.

So according to yourself God gave use free will and God will, for certain, punish us if we do not do as God want use to do. Weather or not you intended to say this, this is, in fact, what you claim free will to be.

Then consider this;

If you have a real threat of being punished when you do not do as someone else wants you to do, do you then have free will? No, you don't...

In situ · Jul 9, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Would the shooting down of American Airlines Flight 11 been good or bad?

Would a safe landing of AAF 11 be good or bad?

In situ · Jul 9, 2013

mark kennedy said:
There's a reason for that and it's a self evident fact, the refection of God's glory in nature.

Are all the suffering, which out weight by far numbers all the good, things in nature also part of your image of God's glory in nature?

In situ · Jul 9, 2013

AV1611VET said:
No post to support it, either.

Please show me where I accused you of such, or have the decency to retract this flame.

Thank you.

Your own word was that you did not believe me after I, in several post, had explained I have no intention to ridicule you. To this you replied that you did not believe me. This implies you are, indirectly, accusing me of lying.

I am taking accusations of being a liar, weather direct or indirectly, very serious because honesty is the only credibility we can stand on to create trust. If we do not have honesty then we cannot have trust... (and I trust what you say is what you mean).

Mr Strawberry · Jul 9, 2013

In situ said:
...because honesty is the only credibility we can stand on to create trust. If we do not have honesty then we cannot have trust... (and I trust what you say is what you mean).

You are talking to a fundamentalist, he's not even honest with himself.

FrenchyBearpaw · Jul 9, 2013

Mr Strawberry said:
You are talking to a fundamentalist, he's not even honest with himself.

Ooooh... ouch!

5 Questions Evolutionists Can't Answer

Senior Member

Whoot!

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE

I've already read the books you want burned.

in vivo veritas

Contributor

in vivo veritas

I've already read the books you want burned.

in vivo veritas

in vivo veritas

in vivo veritas

in vivo veritas

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE

in vivo veritas

in vivo veritas

in vivo veritas

in vivo veritas

Newbie

Take time for granite.

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency