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[dad]

Sacred records? Really? Luke and Matthew copied heavily from Mark and Q, John was recorded seperately. Um, depends on your definition of sacred I guess.

Yes sacred. Did you see him borrowing, by the way?

 

[dad]

I'm impressed, David -- you got two out of three right.



Sacred Records? What about the ones that were lost because fallible men decided they weren't sacred?

Which ones are those, ones you dreamed up? If any did get included, the great Inspirer saw to it. If any were not, they missed the cut.

 

[dad]

So was Jesus lying in Matthew 18:20?

No. The spirtual still comes to our world, not as visible fellow beings, however. Not in this nature.

So we don't live in a physical only universe now. If God ever takes part in our affairs, it adds an element of spiritual to the physical. God is omnipresent, so the spiritual is always here. If our universe was physical only, then God would never take stock in anything. That fact that people still pray shows that the spiritual is still here.

Our state is temporal. The spiritual is still here, it is separate from nature. Spirits do not for example, walk and talk to us, they visit as invisible agents.

You said the Garden of Eden wasn't physical.

No, it was in a universe state that was still spiritual as well as physical.

Does it really matter? Your dodwell's curve presumably used the same information from different historical sources and you don't question it. You wanted me to provide you with evidence and I did. So far you have shown zero evidence in support of your idea.

The Dodwell data relied not on same state radioactive decay, if I recall. One reason it points in the right direction, right on target.

God could have simply created the light already in place. The speed could be the exact same speed as it is now. Of course, why would God create galaxies and stars over 6,000 light years away if the earth is only around 6,000 years old?

Except that the light carries info from the star, showing it started there, I was told. It is unsound to assume God created light with false data inside it.

It depends on how you interpret it. Some people believe that Noah took 120 years to build the ark, others interpret it as God capping the maximum age of humans.

I know. I used to think it meant there was 120 years till the flood also. But I now feel it was till something far far greater..the split. Greater in it's impact on our universe. Not greater in the history of man.

4

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Genesis 6:4

The passage of the Nephilim comes after the passage limiting our days to "120 years". Genesis 6:4 implies that the Nephilim have inhabited the earth in at least two different time periods—in antediluvian times "and afterward." If the Nephilim were supernatural beings themselves, or at least the progeny of supernatural beings, it is possible that the "giants of Canaan" in Numbers 13:33 were the direct descendants of the antediluvian Nephilim, or were fathered by the same supernatural parents.

I also used to think that. But if the 120 year period was a warning period that kills that. I think it was.

So you don't question the old records he studied yet you question the old record I presented. He used the same methods as the people who study the age of the Rig Veda. Nice double standard.

You never presented evidence, if I recall, you mentioned it as if it were fact. Show us the basis for the dating!

If the past can be understood by the present, it is good enough for me. Until we find evidence that cannot be explained by our "present state" then the "same state" works.

Anything can be explained by the tooth fairy, or the same state. If that is all you use to try to explain it! Meaningless. Prove a same state, or lose it.

In all honesty, I will admit there is no actual way to falsify your idea. Much like the same way I can't disprove the invisible pink unicorn or the flying spaghetti monster.

Very well, let us see you falsify a same state past, then, if it is better!!!!?

Gotcha..

All I have is the evidence that can easily be explained by the laws of physics that we know now. If the evidence of the past can be reliably explained and predicted by the science of today, that is enough evidence to show to me that this state always existed on earth.

Nonsense. It is only explained that way, because science is limited that way. It looks only for in box solutions. The garden of Eden and creation cannot be explained easily by physics. by the way!

However, your ramblings do little to influence any lurker on this site. So far I have provided more than enough evidence to sway all but the most rabid fundamental YEC. You have done nothing but puff smoke; all you have provided is chaff to be blown away by the wind.

If you believe that fine. let them decide. I have actually seen nothing at all from you. No idea how you imagine you presented some sort of case.

I provided links to three different methods used to date volcanic ash. Those three methods correlate with great accuracy. I can't help you ignored them. Maybe the lurkers you keep telling to pay attention actually did pay attention.

Same state methods are only as good as your proof there was a same state. That means worthless! Tell us the methods, and basis in your own words, if you doubt it. Why run off, and pretend you had a case??

Unless several different dating methods show the same age.

No, only if something other than inbred, in box, inept, imagining a present state in the past is used. All you do is wave with a different hand, or a hand holding a same state handkerchief.

I guess correlating dendrochronology and C14 dating back to 12,000 years ago is all bunk too right?

Yes. trees that grow in a week or two mean a ring need not mean a year, obviously! And carbon is a same state so called dating method. There was no 12,000 years ago.


[/quote]
Presumably right before or after the flood. In earlier posts you claim the split happened in the days of Peleg. Now you claim it happened right before the flood. [/quote] Nope. You misunderstand. over a century after the flood.

What I don't get is you claim we cannot use present science to study the past before 2000BC. So if we find something and date it to 1999BC that is perfectly acceptable but it we date it to 2001BC all of a sudden we can't assume because the past was a different state? That makes about as much sense as a tuna going scuba diving.

The grey zone is not marked by a year. It depends on the assumptions of the method used. But it does fade to meaningless oblivion, yes.

 

[dad]

Do you all realize that you are debating someone who uses amateur-created geocities websites and crystalinks.com (a blatantly new age and pagan website, not to mention a conspiracy website) to back up his (supposedly) christian views?
I mean really, crystalinks? For a Christian? Really?

Straining at nats I see. If I googled a less than perfect site, long ago, I bet I fixed it. I bet the point that was debated there you lost, thats why you remember it. How petty.

Do you realize that David (i.e. "dad") is the very same person who is BLAMING women for male homosexuality, simply because women don't spread their legs often enough from his pov? And that it is the woman's DUTY to "put out" as commanded (in his interpretation) by his personal god?

A stalker from another site comes here, uses that name, and now you think it is my name??? No. Once again, sorry, it just isn't. How presumpusous.

The bible say that believers have no power over their opwn bodies, and are not to deny theor spouses. You have a problem with the bible?

Seriously.....you guys are actually DEBATING this guy???

They try. Maybe one day, after getting pummeled as often as you they may give up..

 

[Nathan Poe]

Which ones are those, ones you dreamed up? If any did get included, the great Inspirer saw to it. If any were not, they missed the cut.

The Council of Nicea is "the great Inspirer"? Isn't that idolatry, David?

 

[dad]

The Council of Nicea is "the great Inspirer"? Isn't that idolatry, David?

Christians get inspired when needed by God, the great Inspirer. Have you some proof that no spiritual inspiration was present at that crucial juncture for the word of God? ..Didn't think so.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Christians get inspired when needed by God, the great Inspirer. Have you some proof that no spiritual inspiration was present at that crucial juncture for the word of God? ..Didn't think so.

Actually, I have a strong supporting case -- You claim there was; your reputation is what it is; ergo, we can dismiss the claim as semi-coherent blather.

 

[GeneSplicer]

If I were in the armies He brought with Him, I would fight then. But, knowing the stinker that I am, I doubt He would pick me.

Despite your apparent feeble back-peddle attempt here, you have posted time after time of looking forward to killing non-Christians.

Bottom line, He ain't asking you permission, bud.

Considering the god you worship is a unique and twisted one I have not encountered anywhere else with flying 1500 mile tall and wide pyramids, Jesus getting married and concubines for the space warriors like you, you can keep fantasizing all you like David, just don’t act on your desires to see non-Christians murdered.

Really. Man's day of wicked rule is drawing to a close.

And you would not be the first person to claim that nor the first one to be in error.

Obviously you don't care that my name isn't David.

And obviously you would like to continue to lie rather than just admit that your name is David Enjay.

Normally, we call people by their forum name, unless we know them.

Normally, but we are talking about a person, you, who is looking forward to murdering people David.

I don't know you.

And that is irrelevant. The fact remains, you used the name David Enjay and an alteration of that name is your pen name.

I’m sorry if that fact upsets you so, but perhaps you will refrain from using your real name next time you register a magazine retail site where you also put forth your non-Christian murder fantasy.

You might count your blessings there.

Gee. Is that yet another threat of violence David?

I’m shocked to see you make such a veiled threat here. You did so with predictable regularity on the other forum when you could face facts or had nothing left to debate with, but here?

No David, thank your blessings. You forget that I know what country you are in and that country takes a very dim view on religious extremists especially if they are online making the threats you have to others.

So, in the end, is that all you have left David? Thinly veiled threats?

 

[GeneSplicer]

If you mean the Inquisitors, yes. I clue in right away, when someone claims to be religious, and wants to imprison, shoot, bomb, or burn people. A dead give away.

You mean killing like you wish to do in your fantasy?

Yes, dead give away indeed.

 

[GeneSplicer]

A stalker from another site comes here, uses that name, and now you think it is my name???

Sorry, David, but you forgot so easily again. My account here predates yours and I visit here often.

Calling me a stalker simply due to the fact that I have made some embarrassing information about you and your claims public is simply bad form on your part.

Expected and juvenile, but still bad form.

No. Once again, sorry, it just isn't. How presumpusous.

Yes, David, it is. You used it to register your failed magazine selling site and a variation is your pen name.

 

[dad]

Despite your apparent feeble back-peddle attempt here, you have posted time after time of looking forward to killing non-Christians.



Considering the god you worship is a unique and twisted one I have not encountered anywhere else with flying 1500 mile tall and wide pyramids, Jesus getting married and concubines for the space warriors like you, you can keep fantasizing all you like David, just don’t act on your desires to see non-Christians murdered.



And you would not be the first person to claim that nor the first one to be in error.



And obviously you would like to continue to lie rather than just admit that your name is David Enjay.

Nope, and I oughta know. Talk about twisted, psychotic stalking!

Normally, but we are talking about a person, you, who is looking forward to murdering people David.

I look forward to the reign of Jesus. Maybe all ought to lay down their arms, and surrender. Save everyone a hassle? If I saw God and His armies coming, I think I would have that much sense. Those who don't, why, bye bye.

And that is irrelevant. The fact remains, you used the name David Enjay and an alteration of that name is your pen name.

Not really. The pen name is what it is, your weird guesses are what they are.


[/quote] No David, thank your blessings. You forget that I know what country you are in and that country takes a very dim view on religious extremists especially if they are online making the threats you have to others.

So, in the end, is that all you have left David? Thinly veiled threats?[/quote]Thinly veiled? No. God will take over, as billions have known for centuries. Get over it! That isn't the topic here is it? Whether you look forward to the forever rule of Jesus? Who really cares if you do or not? It matters not, really, He ain't asking your permission!

 

[GeneSplicer]

Nope, and I oughta know.

Yes, you should but you do seem to fabricate claims so often.

Talk about twisted, psychotic stalking!

By revealing what you have posted publically on a forum where my account predates yours? Odd claim David.

I look forward to the reign of Jesus. Maybe all ought to lay down their arms, and surrender. Save everyone a hassle? If I saw God and His armies coming, I think I would have that much sense. Those who don't, why, bye bye.

Yes David, I know all too well your desire to kill non-Christians. You did a rather nice job yourself revealing your desires on the other forum.

Not really. The pen name is what it is, your weird guesses are what they are.

You never learn do you David? Yes, that is a rhetorical question David.

You forget that there exists internet archives of your failed magazine selling website where you also posted your split/merge non-Christian snuff fantasy and your other odd document you called the “Arkathon Chronicles”.

Thinly veiled? No. God will take over, as billions have known for centuries. Get over it!

I’m not talking about your non-Christian snuff fantasy David, but your threat about you not knowing me and for me to be thankful for that. Are you really that slow or just practiced at poor evasions? That again would be rhetorical David.

That isn't the topic here is it?

Again David, your split/merge snuff fantasy was introduced by you making it part of the topic.

Whether you look forward to the forever rule of Jesus?

That is not what I have been talking about, but thank you for yet another intellectually dishonest claim.

Who really cares if you do or not? It matters not, really, He ain't asking your permission!

Again David, it is about your non-Christian snuff fantasy and your gleeful anticipation of joining in such mass murder.

Your split/merge theory has been seen for the laughable nonsense it is on several forums now, including forums that you have been banned from.

You have illustrated a disturbing desire to commit violence on non-Christians.

You have made comments painting women as nothing more than concubines for the victorious non-Christian “space warriors” such as yourself.

And finally, like most people claiming to have god’s plan all figured out, you have labeled other Christians as false Christians and also a target of your desired culling.

Faith, or lack thereof, is a highly personal matter David and something one should arrived at after a long period of introspection.

Such introspection, if it is honest and earnest, normally results in the individual learning just how personal one’s faith is.

Such people rarely seek to preach to others or summarily condemn others of differing faiths.

Public debate about aspects and specific claims of religious documents and dogma is one thing, but one should never condemn and claim that all who are not like them are worthy of death and will die as you have publically claimed.

It is comforting and reassuring to see so many here from so many points of view and faiths rejecting your non-Christian snuff fantasy for the ridiculous pseudoscientific claims, the inherent violence and the subservience of women it contains.

In the end David, it is just your reputation after all. Please, keep posting.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Yes David, I know all too well your desire to kill non-Christians. You did a rather nice job yourself revealing your desires on the other forum.

In all fairness to dad/David Enjay, I must say he's kept the "kill non-Christians" fantasies to an acceptable minimum on this particular forum, at least insofar as I've noticed.

As with most fundies, he's slipped into a more passive-aggressive pattern of gleefully awaiting the time when God will exterminate all those who do not fit in to His plan (which, in a twist which surprises absolutely nobody, fits in exactly with his own plans)

dad's/David's own goals for the future, at least as he's discussed them to the degree which I actually care to recall, seem to involve travelling the universe with God-like powers (beyond God-like, in fact, since God Himself apparantly needs a flying sapphire throne to get around), living in a floating cube-shaped city (Very much like the Borg, only made of gold, of course), and engaging in spiritual sexual relations with Marilyn Monroe (although, be it physical or spiritual, why Ms. Monroe would ever want such a thing is a mystery which puts dad's/David's split/merge nonsense to shame)

I don't recall him advocating genocide here -- at least, not nearly as noticable as some classic wingnuts who have long since been booted off these boards.

 

[GeneSplicer]

In all fairness to dad/David Enjay, I must say he's kept the "kill non-Christians" fantasies to an acceptable minimum on this particular forum, at least insofar as I've noticed.

I know he has, but that is why I decided to finally post a reply to his split/merge nonsense. I figured it would serve everyone to know the full ramifications of what his split/merge theory included.

dad's/David's own goals for the future, at least as he's discussed them to the degree which I actually care to recall, seem to involve travelling the universe with God-like powers (beyond God-like, in fact, since God Himself apparantly needs a flying sapphire throne to get around), living in a floating cube-shaped city (Very much like the Borg, only made of gold, of course), and engaging in spiritual sexual relations with Marilyn Monroe (although, be it physical or spiritual, why Ms. Monroe would ever want such a thing is a mystery which puts dad's/David's split/merge nonsense to shame)

That sounds familiar with the exception of the shape of the city. David claimed on the other forum that it would be pyramidal. The Monroe mention is also new.

I don't recall him advocating genocide here -- at least, not nearly as noticable as some classic wingnuts who have long since been booted off these boards.

He seems to have learned from other forums just how fast one can be banned. It appears that he is saving this forum as a safe haven where he can selectively preach his split/merge fantasy without mentioning the non-Christian culling.

 

[corvus_corax]

Jeez, you're still doing it.

Debating with him and about him, just feeding the ego of someone who truly believes that male homosexuality is directly blamed on women who don't "put out" when their husband wants it. Someone who uses conspiracy websites to back up his claims.


Seriously, are you "anti-dad" debaters in this for real debate, or are you in it for an easy target? (trust me, I realize the lure of the "easy target", and I have been trying to resist it over the past year)

 

[Nathan Poe]

I know he has, but that is why I decided to finally post a reply to his split/merge nonsense. I figured it would serve everyone to know the full ramifications of what his split/merge theory included.

Not that it really matters -- split/merge is absurd enough on its face to deserve laughter. Why overanalyze a joke?

That sounds familiar with the exception of the shape of the city. David claimed on the other forum that it would be pyramidal.

Perhaps he was going through an Egyptian phase?

The Monroe mention is also new.

Perhaps he was going through a lonely phase?

He seems to have learned from other forums just how fast one can be banned. It appears that he is saving this forum as a safe haven where he can selectively preach his split/merge fantasy without mentioning the non-Christian culling.

Hmmm -- perhaps if we had pretended to take him seriously, he would've gotten into the genocides and gotten banned by now.

Oh well, a lost oppertunity.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Jeez, you're still doing it.

Debating with him and about him, just feeding the ego of someone who truly believes that male homosexuality is directly blamed on women who don't "put out" when their husband wants it. Someone who uses conspiracy websites to back up his claims.


Seriously, are you "anti-dad" debaters in this for real debate, or are you in it for an easy target? (trust me, I realize the lure of the "easy target", and I have been trying to resist it over the past year)

If a man puts on a belled coxcomb and shakes a bauble, he obviously wants to be a jester -- it would be rude not to point and laugh.

 

[dad]

Yes, you should but you do seem to fabricate claims so often.

Now now. Just because you can't support your position, is no need to call the winning side names.

By revealing what you have posted publically on a forum where my account predates yours? Odd claim David.

You thought the fact that one can post on forums as one chooses, whether you were on one or not, is some sort of secret? Weird.

Yes David, I know all too well your desire to kill non-Christians. You did a rather nice job yourself revealing your desires on the other forum.

A Christian forum, generally already knows God will take over. No news there. What, you thought He would pussyfoot around, and ask permission from those that didn't like it?? Strange. No. God, being God, and all, will rule, and no one has anything to say about it.

You forget that there exists internet archives of your failed magazine selling website where you also posted your split/merge non-Christian snuff fantasy and your other odd document you called the “Arkathon Chronicles”.

Stalking old hat long forgotten trivial, passe gibbereish aside, who cares? I don't even remember. I can tell you my opinions today, though. Preferably on topic.

I’m not talking about your non-Christian snuff fantasy David, but your threat about you not knowing me and for me to be thankful for that. Are you really that slow or just practiced at poor evasions? That again would be rhetorical David.

I hjave little patience in real life for stalkers, I will admit. So? What, you want a dozen roses? Get on topic man. You bore us.



[/quote]Again David, your split/merge snuff fantasy was introduced by you making it part of the topic. [/quote] The different past and future really does not include the reign of Christ, directly. Of course His coming heralds the change, and new heavens.

Nothing like a different future to get the idea across that this state is not permanent!

Again David, it is about your non-Christian snuff fantasy and your gleeful anticipation of joining in such mass murder.

Those that He stops from killing all men are not murdered, actually. They are stopped, in a police action, from the terrorsm of killing all life on earth. That saddens you? Too bad.

Your split/merge theory has been seen for the laughable nonsense it is on several forums now, including forums that you have been banned from.

I wasn't even warned on your physorg site, let alone banned. Somehow you like to cast firebrands, and accusations like a madman. OK. I should warn you, this site likely will start to look at that behavior for what it is, in the near future.

You have made comments painting women as nothing more than concubines for the victorious non-Christian “space warriors” such as yourself.

Nonsense. My opinion that there will be sex in heaven has zero to do with anything but loving consentual fun.

And finally, like most people claiming to have god’s plan all figured out, you have labeled other Christians as false Christians and also a target of your desired culling.

Seriously, I doubt many Christians will try to kill all life on earth, and actively fight God, and try to stop Him and His armies of heaven when He takes over. I kid you not.

Faith, or lack thereof, is a highly personal matter David and something one should arrived at after a long period of introspection.

You think you can lecture me? Nope.

Such introspection, if it is honest and earnest, normally results in the individual learning just how personal one’s faith is.

Sounds good. No idea what you are talking about, or trying to relate it to.

Such people rarely seek to preach to others or summarily condemn others of differing faiths.

Not preaching is good. Try it sometime. You might like it.

Public debate about aspects and specific claims of religious documents and dogma is one thing, but one should never condemn and claim that all who are not like them are worthy of death and will die as you have publically claimed.

Strange dreaming. Thanks for sharing. I still think God is right in taking over and saving mankind. Is that OK with you??

It is comforting and reassuring to see so many here from so many points of view and faiths rejecting your non-Christian snuff fantasy for the ridiculous pseudoscientific claims, the inherent violence and the subservience of women it contains.

I think anyone would reject that. After all, you made it up.

In the end David, it is just your reputation after all. Please, keep posting.

OK. Hmm, that worked for you let me try. Please go away..?

 

[dewaddict84]

Wow.

Thanks Genesplicer, I was just about to try and dive into his theories and explain the truth to him in another thread. You've saved me a good 20 minutes.

 

[GeneSplicer]

Jeez, you're still doing it.

Debating with him and about him, just feeding the ego of someone who truly believes that male homosexuality is directly blamed on women who don't "put out" when their husband wants it. Someone who uses conspiracy websites to back up his claims.


Seriously, are you "anti-dad" debaters in this for real debate, or are you in it for an easy target? (trust me, I realize the lure of the "easy target", and I have been trying to resist it over the past year)

First of all Coryus, thank you for the link regarding Dad’s idea about the cause of homosexuality. Just another in a long line of amusing and disturbing claims he has made.

I haven’t been debating him about his split merge nonsense. I have stated that my objective was to have his full theory including his desire to murder non-Christians revealed.

Anything beyond this is simply amusement as his split/merge theory has been torn apart here and in several other places on the net.

As Nathan Poe has so adeptly put it, just giving the jester his due.