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[Gracchus]

Oddly, it is hard to find any Chinese who take that economic advice either.

Believe me if my bf gave away the rent money he would find it gave rise to anxiety or worse, when i found out.

Well, after all, Buddhists are not Buddhas.

 

[GeneSplicer]

Yes God will take over one day. If you don't believe in God why obsess so over it??

You really just recycle old comments over and over, don’t you?

Again David, it has nothing to do with the claim of your god taking over one day.

It has everything to do with your particular god returning fantasy in which millions are murdered, some by your own willing hand.

It is the appalling violence of your odd fantasy that is objectionable.

 

[mpok1519]

Right, that is what so called science does. By force of law. Mandatory worship.

no one worships science lol weird....but yes, if you continue to lie, you ae not doing life or God any justice; infact you're doing the opposite.

Don't worry about it. What matters is what evidence is there for a same state past, that opposes the bible account, or a same state future? The answer is zero. Nada. None. You are not in a position to decide what is true. I think God is.

Since no one has ever seen a hippogryph, we should al simply assume it exists. lol Again, this is the definition of clinical insanity.

No. Maybe a few to get anyone to understand, and a few more to get them to care?

It'd take alot more than that for someone to care about your different state past theory. But, you're the only person I know in the entire world who would prescribe to such insane theories.


Keep goin; the more you speak, the more deaf ears there will be. Your theories simply exacerbate resistance to you 'goal' whatever that may be.

 

[GeneSplicer]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we interpret the Bible like you guys interpret It, we would be out looking for witches to burn, people to enslave, and genociding the rest?

Speaking for myself, I don’t even have to “interpret” the bible to arrive at the threats of violence.

David Enjay here has already made the case for me in what he has posted and is an example of what a large number of theist claim will come or is the fate of the nonbeliever.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we interpret the Bible like you guys interpret It, we would be out looking for witches to burn, people to enslave, and genociding the rest?

You mean doing all the stuff you guys used to do before more enlightened minds reeled you in?

See, AV? A little education got you out of the "stoning heretics" phase -- imagine what a little more can do for you!

 

[BananaSlug]

False! The application of the spiritual on the physical, or spiritual added, if you will is what went down. In fact, if the universe was different pre flood, with a spiritual added component, that changes all laws, forces, light, and etc.

What about all of the spiritual events that happened after the flood? Elijah raising the bones, the parting of the Red Sea, Jesus turning water into wine, etc. Even the Bible says Satan and his followers were cast down from Heaven to Earth.
The "split" isn't even mentioned until after the fall of Babel. Most likely the "split" refers to the people moving into different areas after their language was confused.

The garden of Eden was not in this physical world. Not unless this universe was physical only back then!

He created the Garden on earth and he created the earth in this universe (according to the Bible). The Garden was in this physical world because it was planted between the Euphrates and the Tigris rivers! You are adding to the Bible, and last time I checked doing so is considered blasphemy.

Not all records are equal. But if the records are directly after the flood, or split, they would have significance. The one you speak of, is dated how??

The Rigveda contain several statements of astronomical significance like the position of Sun in the Zodiac on the two equinoxes, vernal or spring equinox and autumn equinox. Indian Astronomy is based on sidereal Zodiac. The Zodiac is divided into 27 roughly equal segments, all are measuring 130 20' of arc. The seventh mandala of the Rigveda records the vernal equinox in Mrigashira Constellation pointing to a date around 4000 BCE. Again several Shulba Sūtrās declare that a pole star is visible. Since a visible pole star occurs only at certain epochs, such a citation gives a normal range of dates for that event. The astronomical dates put the dates before 4000BC.

Yes, Genesis does so! It states that the light was for signs for man. That means we had to see them!

That "light" were the stars.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Genesis 1:14

That means creation week. There are also many other differences there that cannot be reconciled to this state. Spirits that come here now are visitors. They are not marrying gals here at the moment.

Genesis 6 states that "4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." It seems that spirits married gals after the flood as well, since that is what the Bible says.

So, what? Tell us the details, HOW the so called slow changes were calculated, what the so called slow changes were etc!!! The position of the solstices!??? Show us! What is the data? You will find it is a lark, by the way. But feel free to put it on the table. I need a laugh.

The Milankovitch Theory
Recent Findings

Nope. I doubt it. I think the big change was right where the dodwell curve put it!

I honestly cannot find much of anything about this "dodwell curve." Care to provide a link?

Paleeeese. How much of this happened since Jesus?? Precisely? Show us. Don't just rattle on as if it were true.

None. The last ice age ended around 18,000 years ago.

Same state theory suggests what it can, and is based on an unproven same state past. The suggestion is gibberish, and myth, unless backed by some fact.

Until you can provide evidence for some mystical different state past, a same-state is assumed. The fact is there is ZERO evidence for any sort of different physical laws in our past. Any suggestion that is was different is gibberish and myth unless backed by some fact.

Great. Show us one 200 million years old!

Showing you ash that is 600,000 years old is still plenty old enough than the 4004BC date of creation. They've recently found fossils of invertebrates in Silurian age volcanic ash.

Tell us, now, how do you think you know that this ash is 600,000 years old!!!? Really. Let's see you go toe to toe with me here. I dare you.

The use of glass for dating volcanic ash by thermoluminescence
The Edge of Time: Dating Young Volcanic Ash Layers with the 40Ar-39Ar Laser Probe -- Chen et al. 274 (5290): 1176 -- Science
CiNii- ESR dating of volcanic ash

And what is this evidence? What is the basis? Really.

5th millennium BC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
4th millennium BC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (yeah, I know, wikipedia...)

We've found numerous artifacts, burial sites, tools, and various other items. Question, do you accept the age of the Dead Sea Scrolls?

Pay attention this time round. You could start to bore me. The spiritual. That is the difference.

If you say so...

 

[BananaSlug]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we interpret the Bible like you guys interpret It, we would be out looking for witches to burn, people to enslave, and genociding the rest?

No, we are showing literalists how absurb it is to require the whole Bible be literal. We think such actions are despicable and would never do such a thing. Apparently you think it is ok for God to wipe out entire cities because they were living in the wrong place but think we are horrible for suggesting the same thing according to the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, we are showing literalists how absurb it is to require the whole Bible be literal.

We don't need you guys to show us - (but thanks anyways).

We get taught that in class.

No one teaching the Grammatical-Historical Method would tell someone to interpret the whole Bible literally.

A good example is:

He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

The Literal Method makes consideration for context.

We think such actions are despicable and would never do such a thing.

Oh, yes you would; if you lived back then.

Not doing that would be comparable to moving next to an al-Qaeda camp and flying the American flag.

Apparently you think it is ok for God to wipe out entire cities because they were living in the wrong place...

You mean operating in the wrong place, don't you?

You make it sound like they were just going about their business of enjoying life to the fullest, not harming anyone, and putting in an honest day's labor for an honest week's pay.

When in reality, they would have been on military standby for any Hebrew in the area that dared show up.

Why do you think Rahab had to hide the spies?

 

[dad]

You really just recycle old comments over and over, don’t you?

Again David, it has nothing to do with the claim of your god taking over one day.

It has everything to do with your particular god returning fantasy in which millions are murdered, some by your own willing hand.

It is the appalling violence of your odd fantasy that is objectionable.

If I were in the armies He brought with Him, I would fight then. But, knowing the stinker that I am, I doubt He would pick me.

Bottom line, He ain't asking you permission, bud. Really. Man's day of wicked rule is drawing to a close. Obviously you don't care that my name isn't David. Normally, we call people by their forum name, unless we know them. I don't know you. You might count your blessings there.

 

[dad]

What about all of the spiritual events that happened after the flood? Elijah raising the bones, the parting of the Red Sea, Jesus turning water into wine, etc. Even the Bible says Satan and his followers were cast down from Heaven to Earth.
The "split" isn't even mentioned until after the fall of Babel. Most likely the "split" refers to the people moving into different areas after their language was confused.

That is easy. The merged state is simply where the spiritual is part of nature. Our nature is now physical only. The spiritual still exists, separately. When God moves directly here, He uses the spiritual added to our physical. It is not our nature. What would be natural in the forever state, then, requires a miracle here.

He created the Garden on earth and he created the earth in this universe (according to the Bible). The Garden was in this physical world because it was planted between the Euphrates and the Tigris rivers! You are adding to the Bible, and last time I checked doing so is considered blasphemy.

Of course the gardemn was here...so? No idea what you are freaking out about now.

The Rigveda contain several statements of astronomical significance like the position of Sun in the Zodiac on the two equinoxes, vernal or spring equinox and autumn equinox. Indian Astronomy is based on sidereal Zodiac. The Zodiac is divided into 27 roughly equal segments, all are measuring 130 20' of arc. The seventh mandala of the Rigveda records the vernal equinox in Mrigashira Constellation pointing to a date around 4000 BCE. Again several Shulba Sūtrās declare that a pole star is visible. Since a visible pole star occurs only at certain epochs, such a citation gives a normal range of dates for that event. The astronomical dates put the dates before 4000BC.

OK. Tell us about that in detail. Where is this constellation? What evidence is there of the dates on the document, or the eqinox? What proof is there that the eqinox was as claimed?

That "light" were the stars.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Genesis 1:14

So we saw the far away stars that week. OK. So much for light speed we know being in effect at the time! The evidence mounts.

Genesis 6 states that "4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." It seems that spirits married gals after the flood as well, since that is what the Bible says.

Not sure how you get that. If you look in the same chapter, God gives a 120 year time periiod till some big change. I think that was the split. That means that the ark only too 19 years or some such to build.

Where in the verse does it say that there were giants in the land after the 120 years, or after the flood? I don't see that at all.

I honestly cannot find much of anything about this "dodwell curve." Care to provide a link?

You best bet may be to look up an old thread here called George Dodwell finds God.

He was the head astronomer in Australia. He studied many old records of where the solstice was, and etc, and realized that there was an axis change. He pinpinted the year it happened based on his 66 points of reference. Now, a few we might question, as to how accurate they are, but there are too many to ignore. They all led to one year. It was something like 2345 BC! Just the time of the split!!!!!!!!! He thought it was the flood that did it, of course. Interesting stuff.

None. The last ice age ended around 18,000 years ago.
[/qiuoote] Only in same state based dream years. No relation to actual time. I prefer reality, and knowledge.

Until you can provide evidence for some mystical different state past, a same-state is assumed.

Nope. That little commandment you just made up! It is not assumed at all any more by some. It is irrelevent whether you assume a same state past, or a tooth fairy past, neither are proven! Neither are known. In fact your same stae hoax goes against history!

Showing you ash that is 600,000 years old is still plenty old enough than the 4004BC date of creation. They've recently found fossils of invertebrates in Silurian age volcanic ash.

Creatures without bones? Wow, how stunning. Some got killed by the ash. So?? The 600,000 years you did not and cannot support. You just try to pass it off like a used car you are trying to get rid of.

The use of glass for dating volcanic ash by thermoluminescence
The Edge of Time: Dating Young Volcanic Ash Layers with the 40Ar-39Ar Laser Probe -- Chen et al. 274 (5290): 1176 -- Science
CiNii- ESR dating of volcanic ash




5th millennium BC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
4th millennium BC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (yeah, I know, wikipedia...)

If you want to claim that the glass does not used decay, and same state premises, go ahead. Try to make a case.

We've found numerous artifacts, burial sites, tools, and various other items. Question, do you accept the age of the Dead Sea Scrolls?



If you say so...

Finding stuff does not make it as old as you like. It just means stuff was found. We can get some idea of age, but decay methods are useless when we get somewhere around 2000 BC, depending on the method. If the scrolls are younger than that, it is not an issue. Science is OK, here in the present state. You just have never known when that started!

 

[mpok1519]

I'm glad people's religions don't affect their public lives negatively.

I mean, seriously?

Just kill this thread; anything arguing against "Dad Theory" is simply doing science a discredit by even listening to this nonsense.

Then again, if everyone just ignored ignorance, then everyone would become ignorant....

hmm....

theres no solution.

 

[Hespera]

I'm glad people's religions don't affect their public lives negatively.

I mean, seriously?

Just kill this thread; anything arguing against "Dad Theory" is simply doing science a discredit by even listening to this nonsense.

Then again, if everyone just ignored ignorance, then everyone would become ignorant....

hmm....

theres no solution.

I looked up David Enjay on google. Not that i needed more reason to have someone on ig.

 

[mpok1519]

"Dad theory" is funny though.

If more people thought like that, imagine how much more suffering pain and destruction there'd be in the world if there was no reason to believe anyting true bc theres the possibility that it might not true. Imagine how slow advances in medicine, technology and human services would become; imagine how much more death and sickness and war there'd be if people were fighting over such a cockamani obsession.

 

[Hespera]

"Dad theory" is funny though.

If more people thought like that, imagine how much more suffering pain and destruction there'd be in the world if there was no reason to believe anyting true bc theres the possibility that it might not true. Imagine how slow advances in medicine, technology and human services would become; imagine how much more death and sickness and war there'd be if people were fighting over such a cockamani obsession.

As I have mentioned elsewhere I have relatives who were involved in the Cultural Revolution, Mao and his read book that stuff.

People who are off the deep end in their ideology are scary.

 

[mpok1519]

scary and potential threats to a free and civillized society.

 

[Hespera]

scary and potential threats to a free and civillized society.

Look up a book called "The Turner Diaries". I found a copy and was reading it. It started off kind of normal but then got really, uh, unpleasant.


I dont like the far left / communist stuff, it killed and ruined a lot of my relatives. Far right / religious / racist isnt any better, which is what that turner diary thing is. i guess. I got as far as the description of hanging interracial couples. (that would include me and my bf, to purify the nation you know) Actually, I got physcially sick and threw up.

Since then I have run across people who actually pray for gods word to go out and kill horrible people like atheist Asians.

I hope nobody who posts here is one of those people but I know they are out there, trying to poison people with their insane ideas. Its a good idea, i think, to watch for them and not encourage them or give them a platform to preach from.

 

[mpok1519]

their message of hate doesn't go far anyway.

 

[Hespera]

their message of hate doesn't go far anyway.

I hope not but ideologs killed close to a hundred million people in the 20th century and they didnt do it out of love for all their fellow humans.

 

[dad]

"Dad theory" is funny though.

If more people thought like that, imagine how much more suffering pain and destruction there'd be in the world if there was no reason to believe anyting true bc theres the possibility that it might not true. Imagine how slow advances in medicine, technology and human services would become; imagine how much more death and sickness and war there'd be if people were fighting over such a cockamani obsession.

So would you be causing pain and suffering, then, by your logic, by not believingin early church history, and the bible, and God? Ideas fight in the idea arena. Darwin's ideas took time to be accepted, no wars needed. Freedom is all about ideas.

 

[dad]

I hope not but ideologs killed close to a hundred million people in the 20th century and they didnt do it out of love for all their fellow humans.

Mao, marx, lenin, Stalin, yes. Believers, not. How many did the deciples kill? None. That's right. yet their ideas slew the Roman empire and impacted man ever since, and always will.