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Ah, i love how when history inconveniently contradicts your agenda, you act like we had to be there to really know it happened, but when an ancient scroll found in the desert talks about a flood, it must be right. ^_^^_^^_^
An ancient scroll found in the desert?

You mean Codex Sinaiticus, found in a trash heap at the base of Mt Sinai?

And I'm not aware that there are any deserts in England, if you're talking about the KJV.
 
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So you can't provide sources for us. Strange.

Its, not on the internet; Its a few chapters from a book thats fifty years old. Even showing you a link that proves this book exists,it still wouldnt be able to let you read the full article. You would ignore it anyway if I could.




You say things here like this..."
The white euorpean settlers would trick native americans into thinking that the reason they were getting sick with smallpox was because of their godless and savage religion. The white priests would say "Hey, bow to our God, and you'll get better." And the natives would convert, and then the white europeans would give them medicine and the cure for those diseases, tricking them into thinking it was religion that cured them, when in reality, it was the white-man's disease that made the natives sick, and it was the white-mans manipulation and false promises that made them get better."

And? thats a pretty accurate description.

Missionaries like William Duncan provided safe haven for native slaves fleeing, giving impetus to the anti slave movement, and laws. He also kept out the whiskey traders. His colony, for example had among the lowest smallpox rates. Father Pierre De Smet, I think his name was, was called a 'black robe' The natives sent for him, realizing the white man's medicine was stronger, and wanted to learn about it. David Thompson refused to trade whiskey, though he was a fur trader. These are just a few examples of how not all white men can be tarred with your brush. It is not the skin color, but heart color that matters. Natives massacrered and did horrible things as well.

More white people with guns killed more natives than natives killed white people, garauntee.


Lurkers I will leave this for you to laugh at.

~crickets. Crickets. Crickets~


What does making money have to do with anything here?? Which missionaries, by the way got rich!!??? Source!!?

You think they didn't have business? You think they didn't make money or profit ever? lol they might not have gotten rich but they certainly knew business. That fur trader you spoke of? Rich, no. Businessmen, yes.
 
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Evolution, is true, therefore, fits in with truth*, therefore, is Godly.

Evolution = truth now, does it?

What do you call the Theory of Evolution, then?

* Thank you for not capitalizing "truth".
 
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An ancient scroll found in the desert?

You mean Codex Sinaiticus, found in a trash heap at the base of Mt Sinai?

And I'm not aware that there are any deserts in England, if you're talking about the KJV.

kjv was not created in a vacuum or by ex nihilo. It was copied from an older bible, which was copied from an older bible etc etc etc etc untill we go all the way back to desert scrolls.
 
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Historians were there; and they recorded what happened.

But thats not good enough for you is it! lol
no, they were living. And they recorded what happened.

hola? Habla english?
I guess I don't --- I'm lost.

Historians were where?

In Alexandria when the library burned?

Or are you talking about the people who were living there at the time --- and just assuming they were historians?
 
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Eek --- I missed this post --- sorry.
kjv was not created in a vacuum or by ex nihilo. It was copied from an older bible, which was copied from an older bible etc etc etc etc untill we go all the way back to desert scrolls.
Um --- not.

Let's trace the Bible back, shall we?

  1. AD 96 = Scriptures completed
  2. AV330 Gothic Version
  3. AV770 Anglo-Saxon Version
  4. AV1395 Wycliffe Version
  5. AV1525 Tyndale Bible
  6. AV1568 Bishop's Bible
  7. AV1587 Geneva Bible
  8. AV1611 King James Bible
Do you see any "desert scrolls" anywhere?
 
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Eek --- I missed this post --- sorry.Um --- not.

Let's trace the Bible back, shall we?

  1. AD 96 = Scriptures completed
  2. AV330 Gothic Version
  3. AV770 Anglo-Saxon Version
  4. AV1395 Wycliffe Version
  5. AV1525 Tyndale Bible
  6. AV1568 Bishop's Bible
  7. AV1587 Geneva Bible
  8. AV1611 King James Bible
Do you see any "desert scrolls" anywhere?

so what happened in those 66 years? some desert scrolls perhaps? and before that you have the ot which is apart of the bible and did come from desert scrolls.

I also notice
AD 96 = Scriptures completed
is very vague. quite possible still in desert scroll form. The bible diden't show up until
AV330 Gothic Version
that was after the council of Nicaea.
 
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Then go out and search for the evidence proving a different state past. Until that evidence is found, all we have shows a same state.



If you have a clue, then please give us the physical state of the past so we can disprove them. Of course it is hard to disprove a "different state" past if we don't know how it was different. Until then, all the evidence shows a same state past.



The church of Galileo's time thought they knew the nature of God. A lot of people today think the same way.



There is 0 evidence to support a different state past. Why claim the past was different? Can you provide some examples on how the past was different? You sure haven't yet and your claims seem to be filled more and more with hot air. Tell us how the past was different rather than make us provide proof for how it was the same. Zero percent of the evidence shows a different state. All of the geologic phenomena from the past can be explained by geologic phenomena from the present.



There is no place in geologic history to show any sort of different state past. We use modern phenomena to explain historic phenomena. Volcanic ash is made of the same elements and particles. We can find modern ash and it will be the same composition as ancient ash. So if the past was different then there should be a difference in the composition of the two volcanic ash deposits. There isn't.



There are layers of ash of different ages. Are you saying there was more than one flood?



What force do you claim to make the ash fall to earth? The rain fell from the heavens in Genesis 6, so we know there was gravity. Adam and Eve walked in the Garden of Eden, so we there was gravity.



Because you claim the past existed in a different state but you never say how it was different. It is hard to disprove you claims when all you say is "it was different, it was different".



What? Are you claiming that there is no evidence for a different state past? Are you saying that any evidence for a different state past was changed when it turned over to the present state?



Volcanic ash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I'm partial to Salsa. Clogging works as well...



So you are claiming that there is no evidence of a different state past. All of the evidence that showed a different state in the past changed when the physical state changed. If all of the historical evidence was changed then there is no proof for a different state just evidence for a same state. If there is no evidence for a different state past then there is no reason to assume a different state past.



Matthew 5:43-48
You have learned that they were told, “Love your neighbor, hate your enemy.” But what I tell you is this: Love your enemies and pray for your persecutors; only so can you be children of your heavenly Father, who makes his sun shine on good and bad alike, and sends the rain on the honest and the dishonest. If you love only those who love you, what reward can you expect? Surely the tax-gatherers do as much as that. And if you greet only your brothers, what is there extraordinary about that? Even the heathen do as much. There must be no limit to your goodness, as your heavenly Father’s goodness knows no bounds.
Matthew 5:38-42
You have learned that they were told, “Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.” But what I tell you is this: Do not set yourself against the man who wrongs you. If someone slaps you on the right cheek, turn and offer him your left. If a man wants to sue you for your shirt, let him have your coat as well. If a man in authority makes you go one mile, go with him two. Give when you are asked to give; and do not turn your back on a man who wants to borrow.
Luke 6:27-36
Love your enemies; do good to those who hate you; bless those who curse you; pray for those who treat you spitefully. When a man hits you on the cheek, offer him the other cheek too; when a man takes your coat, let him have your shirt as well. Give to everyone who asks you; when a man takes what is yours, do not demand it back. Treat others as you would like them to treat you. If you love only those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. Again, if you do good only to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do as much. And if you lend only where you expect to be repaid, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to each other to be repaid in full. But you must love your enemies and do good; and lend without expecting any return; and you will have a rich reward: you will be sons of the Most High, because he himself is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be compassionate as your Father is compassionate.
Just one more time for dad. I think he overlooked it.
 
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