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[AV1611VET]

It wasn't a "pixel." It was a singularity.

I thought there was a term for it --- (thank you).

But "singularity" doesn't do justice to its size just before it expanded.

 

[MoonLancer]

I thought there was a term for it --- (thank you).

But "singularity" doesn't do justice to its size just before it expanded.

if you think about the distance between matter and the distance within matter, It seems very possible.

 

[dad]

How does this result show that there was "a change that happened," and how exactly do you figure that it is the type of change you appear to have already decided on beforehand?

How does what result..?? The way that we guage the change that either was or will be is by the bible, compared to how we see it now work. In the case of the past, we also have observers. The very early records of man, that clearly denote key differences.

There is no scientific reason to doubt either. How does your comment show that all things were the same since the ancients died?

 

[dad]

I am not being "cheeky" at all. No where in scripture is thought or emotion associated with the brain or the head. No where. It is always associated with the heart.

Let's look at the hebrew word, shall we? Here is what it actually means

"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding

1. inner part, midst
   1. midst (of things)
   2. heart (of man)
   3. soul, heart (of man)
   4. mind, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory
   5. inclination, resolution, determination (of will)
   6. conscience
   7. heart (of moral character)
   8. as seat of appetites
   9. as seat of emotions and passions 1a"
   Apparently, in more recent times, it has come to mean an organ. Compare that with the word translated, and the idea trying to be conveyed. Then, look at all the ways the word was used..something like 929 times in the bible, to get a real clear pic. Simple. Why stumble on nats, and swallow camels?

Oh, and in case you think men were actually ignorant of the organ, have a gander at this.

[/FONT]2Sa 18:14 -Then said Joab, I may not tarry thus with thee. And he took three darts in his hand, and thrust them through the heart of Absalom, while he was yet alive in the midst of the oak. Balance. Perspective. Honesty. With a dash of faith, and a sprinkle of the spiritual, make for a wonderfully clear understanding. No wonder the public education system is up Darwin's creek with no paddle.

You were not referring to miracles when you came up with the "Pre-Split Non-PO World" idea. Are you changing your tune now? Doesn't God carry out miracles after the "Split?"

Wait..if God changed not just a pool, or an arm of man, etc, but the universe of man, this is now not a miracle? Let's see you change it back, then..

The use of the word used to convey so many things, about the innermost part of man, or God even, does anything but cast doubt on God. It is a great word, that fits so many things. Locking it into the meaning of just one of the 929 verses, or a modern medical meaning is truly petty, easily blown away, and ridiculous.

Do you, then think God has a physical organ too!!!?

Ge 8:21 - And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. Obviously, since God is a spirit, that rules it out!

 

[dad]

You mean "speck" --- not "box"?

Remember: these guys, who claim the entire universe could fit inside a pixel, whine because all the animals couldn't have fit aboard the Ark.

[I know --- volume is relative --- ]

Yes, hypocritical in the extreme.

They rub their magic lamp when it seems convenient.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, hypocritical in the extreme.

They rub their magic lamp when it seems convenient.

Rep time ---

 

[Toclafane]

So Dad what you going to do when Geocities closes
GeoCities: closing

 

[BananaSlug]

Let's look at the hebrew word, shall we? Here is what it actually means

Wait a minute, according to AV, the "purified" authorized English version trumps the Hebrew.
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Do you, then think God has a physical organ too!!!?

Aren't we made in his image? If we have no relation with apes then we must be made in God's physical image!

Ge 8:21 - And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Obviously, since God is a spirit, that rules it out!

So if God is a spirit, that means we can be evolved from apes and still be in God's image!

 

[dad]

So Dad what you going to do when Geocities closes
GeoCities: closing

Don't want to use a regular site, they ask for real info. So, either a free one, or let it be.

 

[dad]

Wait a minute, according to AV, the "purified" authorized English version trumps the Hebrew.

Well, sometimes we might purify it more than others..
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Aren't we made in his image? If we have no relation with apes then we must be made in God's physical image!

He is a spirit, are you?! We also were made long ago, are we the same now, or have we evolved? Were we more in appearance something like Neanderthal man, or etc? My opinion is that the chief thing that were have that is like God, is free will.

So if God is a spirit, that means we can be evolved from apes and still be in God's image!

No. Not sure where you dug that weird thought from

 

[Cabal]

How does what result..?? The way that we guage the change that either was or will be is by the bible, compared to how we see it now work. In the case of the past, we also have observers. The very early records of man, that clearly denote key differences.

There is no scientific reason to doubt either. How does your comment show that all things were the same since the ancients died?

I wasn't trying to prove anything by my comment - I just wanted to see how you would justify your statement. Bible aside, what are these "records of man, that clearly denote key differences" that supercede the Big Bang as an explanation, and how do they do so?

 

[MoonLancer]

LOL i got so many warning posts about gods organ. Its a great argument btw. If god made us in his image we look like him in the nude. that begs so many questions to be asked that sadly must be reserved for door to door christains.

 

[BananaSlug]

He is a spirit, are you?! We also were made long ago, are we the same now, or have we evolved?

We've come a long way, baby.

Were we more in appearance something like Neanderthal man, or etc? My opinion is that the chief thing that were have that is like God, is free will.

Well then you should have no problem accepting evolution. If we are in God's spiritual image then it doesn't matter where/how our physical image came from. When people argue against evolution, they use the phrase "we were made in his image". This implies that we were made in God's physical image. If God is a spirit then he has no physical image, therefore nullifying the "in his image" argument.
And if God is just a spirit, then human evolution shouldn't matter because it is his spiritual image that is important.

No. Not sure where you dug that weird thought from

Well then God must be more than just a spirit. If we are made in God's spiritual image, then where did our physical image come from? Why is our physical image so like that of apes when it could have been anything?

 

[praisejahupeople]

If we are in God's spiritual image then it doesn't matter where/how our physical image came from.

God has a form but we cant see it.If we could we would die.Hes too powerful.Man cant see God and live.

When people argue against evolution, they use the phrase "we were made in his image". This implies that we were made in God's physical image. If God is a spirit then he has no physical image, therefore nullifying the "in his image" argument.

He has a spiritual image.Ezekiel 1:28.Daniel 7:9.just a couple of scriptures.

And if God is just a spirit, then human evolution shouldn't matter because it is his spiritual image that is important.

It matters.Either we were formed as the book of Genesis specifies or we came about by more naturalistic means.If the 2nd option is correct then the whole authenticity of the bible is questionable.

Well then God must be more than just a spirit. If we are made in God's spiritual image, then where did our physical image come from? Why is our physical image so like that of apes when it could have been anything?

Im sure you underrate yourself when you compare your looks to that of an ape.

 

[MoonLancer]

It matters.Either we were formed as the book of Genesis specifies or we came about by more naturalistic means.If the 2nd option is correct then the whole authenticity of the bible is questionable.

doesn't pi=3 or claiming the earth is flat when it is not or claiming that earth is the center of the universe when it is not do just that?

The bible is wrong in lots of parts. So what makes genesis 1 any different?

 

[BananaSlug]

God has a form but we cant see it.If we could we would die.Hes too powerful.Man cant see God and live.

Except for a few chosen people from the Bible right?

He has a spiritual image.Ezekiel 1:28.Daniel 7:9.just a couple of scriptures.

Yes, that is what we were currently discussing.

It matters.Either we were formed as the book of Genesis specifies or we came about by more naturalistic means.If the 2nd option is correct then the whole authenticity of the bible is questionable.

It must be quite sad to not be able to understand that Genesis doesn't necessarily have to be literal. There are many places in the Bible that certain facts are wrong. So what? Why do so many fundies have this "all or nothing" attitude about the Bible?

Psalm 19:1-4 The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night declares knowledge.

Does the above quote mean that anything that science discovers was put there by God? If God is the creator of everything then he created science as well. If you reject the findings of science then you are rejecting the greatest thing that God gave us, the ability to reason.

Im sure you underrate yourself when you compare your looks to that of an ape.

Well I don't resemble an octopus, an eagle, or anything else. What do you have against apes? We are still apes. Are you going to claim that humans aren't mammals? Are we not even vertebrates?

 

[Split Rock]

Hi praisejahupeople

God has a form but we cant see it.If we could we would die.Hes too powerful.Man cant see God and live.

OK

He has a spiritual image.Ezekiel 1:28.Daniel 7:9.just a couple of scriptures.

OK

It matters.Either we were formed as the book of Genesis specifies or we came about by more naturalistic means.If the 2nd option is correct then the whole authenticity of the bible is questionable.

Wrong. The accuracy of your interpretation of scripture is questionable, not the authenticity of the book itself. Genesis is one of the earliest books and was clearly written as poetic allegories. These were stories based on older Egyptian/ Babylonians stories known at the time, intended to teach theological points to Bronze-Age goat-herders. They were never intended originally to teach these points to 21st century Americans who have a very different culture and a much more literal way of looking at things.

Im sure you underrate yourself when you compare your looks to that of an ape.

But we are apes, biologically speaking. Of course we look like apes!

 

[dad]

I wasn't trying to prove anything by my comment - I just wanted to see how you would justify your statement. Bible aside, what are these "records of man, that clearly denote key differences" that supercede the Big Bang as an explanation, and how do they do so?

Nothing is needed to supersede the tooth fairy, or the extrapolated dreamscapes that result from same state machinations of men's minds, in such insane scenarios as the big bang.

The key differences I would look for in a spirit also state, or spiritual also as part of the mix of the universe state of man--would be actual spirits residing and intermingling with men. Look at ancient Sumer, and Egypt! Some of the first kings of Egypt, if I recall, were said by them to be spirit kings! Then, we can look at other differences, like lifespans...!! Pagan inaccuracies and stretches, and modern interpretations aside, the long life spans are there in Sumer!! Then, if early Egypt happened to be pre split, it would explain other things too, like how the heavy stones may have been moved. (ie no gravity as we know it, as a standalone universal law)

The differences seem clear, and modern boxed thinking has tried to wave it all away, because we do not see spirits at this time! Nor do we have long lives as a possibility. Etc.

That seems to beat the tar out of same state only speculation, based onn nothing at all but same state assumptions.

Better one good honest little rock of actual evidence, than all the Goliath big talking balony, I say.

 

[mpok1519]

insane scenarios that are based on research and observation, as opposed to an insivible God, which is, not, insane?

 

[dad]

God has a form but we cant see it.If we could we would die.Hes too powerful.Man cant see God and live.

True.

He has a spiritual image.Ezekiel 1:28.Daniel 7:9.just a couple of scriptures.

Yes, He can manifest that way.

It matters.Either we were formed as the book of Genesis specifies or we came about by more naturalistic means.If the 2nd option is correct then the whole authenticity of the bible is questionable.

True. If God be true, then let every man be found a liar..