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I can't. Can you?

Can you observe a same state past or future universe? Do you believe in them? Busted, much?

I can observe the past. History Channel FTW! lol

So, what, you want to wave it away now. Good luck with that. It ain't going anywhere. Ever.

And thank God it will stay in fable class and fairy tale church, and NEVER makes its way into public school....and yes, it will go away. Sorry, but within my lifetime, yes, we'll see more and more people who will understand it is just a metaphor. I'm sure there'll be fringe fundamentalists who'll try to spread this lie, but they won't, and don't go far.

Demonize your opponent, when all else fails. I see. Desperate, much?

lol yeah, because creationism threatens my very existence. lol riight. But, its not demonization when you call a liar a liar. Its called pointing a fact. Its akin to saying Helena is the capital of Montana.

Chemicals existed, yes. And things died. Yes. So? Can you name a chemical that proves a certain universe state of the future or past, please! You make claims, you need to show us your evidence for them, as they are in the realm of science!

No, the laws of physics can prove a constant universal state. Any physicist will tell you this. Wheres your cheerio box harvard degree in physics Dad? Oh wait, I fergot; I listen to scientists who actually know what they're talking about. (which is not allowed here! !! !! !! )

So, more demonization. As for university that is a measure of anti knowledge! The further one gets submerged in the cesspool of dreams, the less one knows about the spiritual, God, and many basic values of life and love, and even the ability to distinguish right from wrong. University has become a badge of gross ignorance, debauchery, filth, lies, and wickedness.

Even Christians walking on those coals get burned feet.


a cesspol of dreams?

You call education a cesspool of dreams?

Well its good to know you don't really care about education itself.

Now it makes sense.

You hate education. lol now it makes sense. lol

Demonization? Dude, you hate education. Thats sad.
 
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Can you observe a same state past or future universe? Do you believe in them? Busted, much?

can you even show that any other state but this existed? do you have any evidence? What exactly is a state? What exactly changes from state to state? What rules did the last state operate under. How is all this justifiable when the dates in science confirm each other?

Busted.
 
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I can't. Can you?

The past is the key to the present, and the present is the key to the past.

Can you observe a same state past or future universe? Do you believe in them? Busted, much?

We can see geologic activity in the present and see the evidence for the same geologic activity in the past. Other than claiming "the past was different", can you tell us how exactly it was different? Or would you rather just say it was different without any actual evidence to back up your claim?

Demonize your opponent, when all else fails. I see. Desperate, much?

Was it demonization when Jesus called out the Pharisees?

Chemicals existed, yes. And things died. Yes. So? Can you name a chemical that proves a certain universe state of the future or past, please! You make claims, you need to show us your evidence for them, as they are in the realm of science!

There is absolute 0 evidence to support any sort of different state past. As you have yet to tell us how the past was different, there is no place in geologic history to show any sort of different physical laws in the past that in the present.
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That big white streak is ash from an ancient volcano that erupted during the Cretaceous. It has all of the same elements and chemicals that modern volcanoes have. Gravity caused the ash to fall to the earth in a thick layer.

Anyway, you have failed to show or tell us how the past was different. Make a claim as to what state the past was in and it will be much easier to refute it. For all we know, your claim of "different state past" could mean that humans could breathe frozen nitrogen and turn inside out.

So, more demonization. As for university that is a measure of anti knowledge!

It helps to have actual knowledge to begin with.

The further one gets submerged in the cesspool of dreams, the less one knows about the spiritual, God, and many basic values of life and love, and even the ability to distinguish right from wrong.

So do you think a convicted serial murderer should get capital punishment?

University has become a badge of gross ignorance, debauchery, filth, lies, and wickedness.

I never learned any of that at the university I attended. I must have not signed up for the Fundamentalism 101 class.

Even Christians walking on those coals get burned feet.

Except in the different state past, right?
 
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So, more demonization. As for university that is a measure of anti knowledge! The further one gets submerged in the cesspool of dreams, the less one knows about the spiritual, God, and many basic values of life and love, and even the ability to distinguish right from wrong. University has become a badge of gross ignorance, debauchery, filth, lies, and wickedness.

I find it ironic that you claim to be demonized, then call universes the cesspool of dreams.

knowledge will always be the enemy of those who spread lies and ignorance.

your same state idea is just form of willful ignorance to defend yourself from the reality.

You sound a lot like the people that burn books. I wonder if you would have participated in the burning of Alexandra or tried to save its knowledge.
 
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I can observe the past. History Channel FTW! lol

That is post flood.


And thank God it will stay in fable class and fairy tale church, and NEVER makes its way into public school....and yes, it will go away. Sorry, but within my lifetime, yes, we'll see more and more people who will understand it is just a metaphor. I'm sure there'll be fringe fundamentalists who'll try to spread this lie, but they won't, and don't go far.
Prophesy. Ok. Get a grip.



lol yeah, because creationism threatens my very existence. lol riight. But, its not demonization when you call a liar a liar. Its called pointing a fact. Its akin to saying Helena is the capital of Montana.



No, the laws of physics can prove a constant universal state. Any physicist will tell you this. Wheres your cheerio box harvard degree in physics Dad? Oh wait, I fergot; I listen to scientists who actually know what they're talking about. (which is not allowed here! !! !! !! )




a cesspol of dreams?

You call education a cesspool of dreams?

Well its good to know you don't really care about education itself.

Now it makes sense.

You hate education. lol now it makes sense. lol

Demonization? Dude, you hate education. Thats sad.[/quote]
 
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I find it ironic that you claim to be demonized, then call universes the cesspool of dreams.

knowledge will always be the enemy of those who spread lies and ignorance.

your same state idea is just form of willful ignorance to defend yourself from the reality.

You sound a lot like the people that burn book. I wonder if you would have participated in the burning of Alexandra or tried to save its knowledge.
Knowledge is not an issue here, just the exposed ignorance of so called knowledge and so called science, as pertains to the unknown. Real knowledge has a place. Yes, the modern public universities are vile, and dirty places, where minds and consciences are seared, in a diabolical way. I am not, however, on par with that sinister institutionalized depravity. I simply point out that the actual universe of the future is actually not covered, as they have slyly claimed, nor the creation state. That is a good thing. Truth, honesty, a godly perspective...
 
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The past is the key to the present, and the present is the key to the past.
Since you know squat of the state of the future or past, that is a lame claim to pretended fame. Your key doesn't actually work. It has produced insane fables.



We can see geologic activity in the present and see the evidence for the same geologic activity in the past. Other than claiming "the past was different", can you tell us how exactly it was different? Or would you rather just say it was different without any actual evidence to back up your claim?
Since you have no clue about the laws in the universe state of the day, you should not expect others to. Although I actually do have a clue, unlike modern speculative past fabricators.



Was it demonization when Jesus called out the Pharisees?
Why, did they like Galileo question actual knowledge, like I do? No. They pretended to have the knowledge of God, and were as phony as same state pasters! Total BS.



There is absolute 0 evidence to support any sort of different state past.
There is absolute 0 evidence to support any sort of same state past. So why assume either as the foundational premise of science? A building is only as good as the foundation is sits on.

As you have yet to tell us how the past was different, there is no place in geologic history to show any sort of different physical laws in the past that in the present.
As you have yet to tell us how the past was the same state, there is no place in geologic history to show any sort of same state physical laws in the past that are in the present, as is.



That big white streak is ash from an ancient volcano that erupted during the Cretaceous. It has all of the same elements and chemicals that modern volcanoes have. Gravity caused the ash to fall to the earth in a thick layer.

Says who? If the flood was around the KT layer or so, (?) would that be before or after? How do you know that gravity as is deposited the ash? Prove it. Why would chemicals left from ash be different? Is that ash exempt from the universal laws that now govern? How was it when it was laid down? Thses are just a few questions...wanna dance?

Anyway, you have failed to show or tell us how the past was different. Make a claim as to what state the past was in and it will be much easier to refute it. For all we know, your claim of "different state past" could mean that humans could breathe frozen nitrogen and turn inside out.



It helps to have actual knowledge to begin with.

You assume that present state chemicals and light, and gravity, and atomic arrangments, and etc were all the same. Yet, if the universe fabric changed, atoms and laws change too. So does molecules, and cells, and the interactions and relationships of living things, etc. Looking at how it now is in this temporal state does not mean it was that way! Simple.



So do you think a convicted serial murderer should get capital punishment?
Yes.
 
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can you even show that any other state but this existed? do you have any evidence?
Can you even show that any other state but this never existed? Do you have any evidence?
What exactly is a state? What exactly changes from state to state? What rules did the last state operate under. How is all this justifiable when the dates in science confirm each other?

Busted.
In heaven and the new heavens state, the spiritual is also there as well as the physical. So, spiritons, and/or whatever things spiritual there are mix in with the electrons, and protons, and positive charges, and spins, and etc etc. The result is totally different.
 
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Knowledge is not an issue here, just the exposed ignorance of so called knowledge and so called science, as pertains to the unknown. Real knowledge has a place. Yes, the modern public universities are vile, and dirty places, where minds and consciences are seared, in a diabolical way. I am not, however, on par with that sinister institutionalized depravity. I simply point out that the actual universe of the future is actually not covered, as they have slyly claimed, nor the creation state. That is a good thing. Truth, honesty, a godly perspective...


You cant even give a definition of state. Why should anyone take you seriously.
 
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Can you even show that any other state but this never existed? Do you have any evidence?

Theirs no evidence of another state, and all the facts collect show thier are no other states. I take you you have less. Until you can show another state exists... your just another person making unsubstantiated claims. If i want to talk to those, i can go to a nursing home.
 
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You cant even give a definition of state. Why should anyone take you seriously.
This state is all science knows, so define it how you will. The heaven state I defined pretty good. The addition into the mix of the spiritual. If you want precise defining of how that affects the physical, other than history and the bible, science needs to grow past the cave man stage firat, to be able to deal in things spiritual. Don't blame me for the woefull lacks of silly science. They don't have enough knowlege currency to put a downpayment on a clue!
 
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Theirs no evidence of another state, and all the facts collect show thier are no other states. I take you you have less. Until you can show another state exists... your just another person making unsubstantiated claims. If i want to talk to those, i can go to a nursing home.
There is no evidence against a different state in the past or the future or for a same state there either! If I want foolish fables, I can go to a medicine man.

Wisdom is justified of her children.

NO facts show anything of the sort you claim, in actual reality, and fact. Science, fyi does not and cannot deal in the spiritual, or the future universe with spiritual added! Utterly ridiculous to claim that 'facts' show no other states but this physical universe! Thanks for that. It is funny.
 
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There is no evidence against a different state in the past or the future or for a same state there either! If I want foolish fables, I can go to a medicine man.

Wisdom is justified of her children.

NO facts show anything of the sort you claim, in actual reality, and fact. Science, fyi does not and cannot deal in the spiritual, or the future universe with spiritual added! Utterly ridiculous to claim that 'facts' show no other states but this physical universe! Thanks for that. It is funny.

actually that all data confirms itself shows that at the very least this state has existed for 4.3 billion years or so.

You still haven't given a definition what WHAT a state is. You have tried to define this state, tried to define a spiritual state (which doesn't explain how dates confirm each other in science), but you haven't even mentioned anything about the definition of a state itself. Now i might be able to come to my own conclusion on what a state is, but so far you haven't defined it. you are playing it loosy goosy and as far as anyone can tell from what you have talked about. its just another religion that hates science because it interfears with thier literal limitations.
 
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NO facts show anything of the sort you claim, in actual reality, and fact. Science, fyi does not and cannot deal in the spiritual, or the future universe with spiritual added! Utterly ridiculous to claim that 'facts' show no other states but this physical universe! Thanks for that. It is funny.

your right. science cant deal with unfalsafalbe claims. Let me give you a list of unfalsafable claims.

Aliens that exist that only i can see
God
Prometheus
The soul
tooth fairy
Herne the Hunter
SantaClause


the list goes on and on. Your "spiritual" that exists in another state or whatever, is equivalent to the tooth fairy, except you believe it with all your heart.
 
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There is no evidence against a different state in the past or the future or for a same state there either!
Nor is there any evidence against pixies.

If I want foolish fables, I can go to a medicine man.
Why would you start consulting others when you are so expert in the field?

Wisdom is justified of her children.
And so is folly. We have tested your scientific knowledge. We know who's child you are.

NO facts show anything of the sort you claim, in actual reality, and fact. Science, fyi does not and cannot deal in the spiritual, or the future universe with spiritual added!
And science cannot deal with ghosts, goblins, gorgons, or gods until these things are show to exist.

Utterly ridiculous to claim that 'facts' show no other states but this physical universe! Thanks for that. It is funny.
You may laugh at the truth, but the joke is the bells on your cap.

:D
 
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Utterly ridiculous to claim that 'facts' show no other states but this physical universe! Thanks for that. It is funny.
simply put, im willing to accept that another state could exist, but only before the 13.7 billion years that this one has existed. (sorry the other date i gave was for earth i think).
 
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lol

the universe's physics have always been the same.

Dad >> which armchair school o science did you go to? The 700Club? Oh, I heard they have great jello on Tuesdays.
Rumor has it dad doesn't like jello, it wasn't the same state as last week, and the 700 club couldn't prove it was the same, so he left for Bennie Hen. ^_^
 
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