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[dad]

And you cannot say your interpretation is right.

You would be at a stalemate, except that science has a track record of accually accomplishing things, and all you do is blather.

My interpretation of the bible on many things is absolute! Depends on what you mean. Science accomplishes stuff, largely wicked, I might add, only in this present state. Creation simply was not accomplished here, or by them. Fancy that.

 

[dad]

Quoted for truth. Why is it that AVET's all-powerful and all-knowing, perfect god cannot do anything right the first time? Why is it that nothing He fixes stays fixed?

God never keeps anyone ignorant. Notice He isn't IN the public education system!

 

[MoonLancer]

God never keeps anyone ignorant. Notice He isn't IN the public education system!

god takes the form of ignorance in all. He is never reason or knowledge, but ignorance and fear.

 

[dad]

god takes the form of ignorance in all. He is never reason or knowledge, but ignorance and fear.

Sorry you seem to believe that. I can tell you, the ones that led you to believe that were mistaken.

 

[Gracchus]

god takes the form of ignorance in all. He is never reason or knowledge, but ignorance and fear.

Sorry you seem to believe that. I can tell you, the ones that led you to believe that were mistaken.

The ones who lead others to that belief are those who prattle pious nonsense, and who have crippled their own reason by believing contradictions.
They are the ones who think faith is just believing, and put their trust in a book written by iron-age theocrats rather than trusting the teachings of Jesus.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science accomplishes stuff, largely wicked, I might add, only in this present state.

Oh --- now you just wait a minute there, bub!

Science may lend accreditation to abortion and the search for a genetically-superior race, but does that justify calling it "wicked"?

Christians say life starts at conception --- science says it starts at birth --- who ya gonna believe?

Christians say life is sacred.

Science says life can be sacreder by uniting the right combination of genes.

It's the 21st Century now, dad --- "sin" is not even in our vocabulary anymore --- don't you know that?

And by the way --- why did you use the term "wicked"?

What are you trying to do, start a modern-day witch hunt?

 

[Freodin]

Oh --- now you just wait a minute there, bub!

Science may lend accreditation to abortion and the search for a genetically-superior race, but does that justify calling it "wicked"?

Christians say life starts at conception --- science says it starts at birth --- who ya gonna believe?

Christians say life is sacred.

Science says life can be sacreder by uniting the right combination of genes.

It's the 21st Century now, dad --- "sin" is not even in our vocabulary anymore --- don't you know that?

And by the way --- why did you use the term "wicked"?

What are you trying to do, start a modern-day witch hunt?

Burning strawman again, AV?

 

[AV1611VET]

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[MoonLancer]

Christians say life is sacred.

and then they say kill gays in the name of god, kill witches in the name of god, kill disobedient children in the name of god, start holy wars in the name of god, etc... how sacred is life really?

 

[AV1611VET]

and then they say kill gays in the name of god, kill witches in the name of god, kill disobedient children in the name of god, start holy wars in the name of god, etc... how sacred is life really?

Sacred --- irregardless of what they say.

 

[Freodin]

Sacred --- irregardless of what they say.

So life is sacred, because Christians say so, even when they don´t say so?

 

[Toclafane]

and then they say kill gays in the name of god, kill witches in the name of god, kill disobedient children in the name of god, start holy wars in the name of god, etc... how sacred is life really?

it's as sacred as you need it to be while you're on the "right[sup]tm[/sup]" side.

 

[Hespera]

Oh --- now you just wait a minute there, bub!

Science may lend accreditation to abortion and the search for a genetically-superior race, but does that justify calling it "wicked"?

Christians say life starts at conception --- science says it starts at birth.

Who ya gonna believe?

Christians say life is sacred.

Science says life can be sacreder by uniting the right combination of genes.

It's the 21st Century now, dad --- "sin" is not even in our vocabulary anymore --- don't you know that?

And by the way --- why did you use the term "wicked"?

What are you trying to do, start a modern-day witch hunt?

Science does not "say" anything. Human beings say things based on their knowlege and opinions. Kind of like in the bible.

In what way does "science lend accreditation to abortion"? Kind of a weird thing to say.

Anyone on (gods green) earth with the smallest notion about biology knows that every individual cell is alive. A fertilized egg-embroy-fetus is alive, and no scientist would say otherwise.

A person can religion free and a student of science as I am, and see abortion as profoundly wrong.

Your statement is false, its nothing but ignorance or calumny.

"Science says life can be sacreder by uniting the right combination of genes."

I wonder how you feel as a purported Christan, just flat out lying like that?
Or do you have a way to twist it around so you dont have to take any responsibility?

As for "sin", that is a word from a religious sect in the middle east. The majority never did and never will accept that its about something real.

 

[MoonLancer]

yeah. a life/life. its an interesting way to frame meaning. I am reminded of someone trying to argue that plants are not alive by equivocating its meaning.

Is a unborn baby a human life, It most defiantly is alive, but i question that its an individual life based on its strict interdependence of the mother.

I would be willing to admit that a baby that cannot live outside the mother is a parasitic life. I am with out a doubt against abortion when the baby can survive outside the mother, however I don't think i can judge in other cases because i am not the mother. I know that i am against the government telling people what they can and cant do with their bodies. so that would make me against bans on abortion, but that doesn't make me pro abortion.

for all that conservatives are afraid of the government control, they sure give over a few key bodily rights without a second thought.

 

[AV1611VET]

In what way does "science lend accreditation to abortion"? Kind of a weird thing to say.

Many ways --- from building better tools to do the job, to changing the vocabulary --- like from the more conscientious term "child" to the less-convicting term "fetus".

After all, an abortion is no longer "removal of a child" --- it's "elimination of unwanted tissue" --- right?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Many ways --- from building better tools to do the job,

science builds better tools for medical jobs -- which jobs people choose to do with those tools is a moral issue -- morality is supposed to be your department.

to changing the vocabulary --- like from the more conscientious term "child" to the less-convicting term "fetus".

You think that term was changed strictly to placate abortion?

After all, an abortion is no longer "removal of a child" --- it's "elimination of unwanted tissue" --- right?

If you say so. If "very good" can mean "perfect," then it's pointless to argue definitions with you.

 

[AV1611VET]

science builds better tools for medical jobs -- which jobs people choose to do with those tools is a moral issue -- morality is supposed to be your department.

Does the Hippocratic Oath apply in an abortion?

 

[Split Rock]

Oh --- now you just wait a minute there, bub!

Science may lend accreditation to abortion and the search for a genetically-superior race, but does that justify calling it "wicked"?

Science does no such thing.

Christians say life starts at conception --- science says it starts at birth --- who ya gonna believe?

Neither Science nor The Bible says anything about when life begins. In fact, as far as scripture does go with reproduction, it gets it wrong. Men do not produce "seed."

Christians say life is sacred.

So do I.

Science says life can be sacreder by uniting the right combination of genes.

Wrong again.

It's the 21st Century now, dad --- "sin" is not even in our vocabulary anymore --- don't you know that?

It is in every dictionary I can find.

And by the way --- why did you use the term "wicked"?

What are you trying to do, start a modern-day witch hunt?

I think you and dad would both be happier in the 15th century... as witch hunters.

 

[Split Rock]

Does the Hippocratic Oath apply in an abortion?

Does the Hippocratic Oath have anything to do with science?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Does the Hippocratic Oath apply in an abortion?

Religion is allegedly your forte -- you tell me.