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[iamlamad]

Satan has never left the heaven of heavens nor been cast out. He appears regularly in the congregation of the sons of God, there, as the Accuser.

Satan will be cast out in the tribulation and work fast and furiously, knowing he has a short time left to gather all his food supply up to be his stores, for eternal feasting on them in the Lake of fire [his kingdom of darkness]; which food supply is the unrepentant human beings who believe and act upon his lies, and angels to tempt to fall for his lies, along with the demons who are his food supply forever in the Lake of fire; for the torment afflicted by the Satans on the above named subjects forever is their food and drink forever, as Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, wrote.

Ah! A breath of fresh air! Yes, Satan's time will come at the sounding of the 7th trumpet. Then Michael will cast him down.

LAMAD

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Ah! A breath of fresh air! Yes, Satan's time will come at the sounding of the 7th trumpet. Then Michael will cast him down.

LAMAD

Im with you guys..

 

[iamlamad]

To give you something to relate to, :

The "deadly wound" happened here

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

If you read in chapter 17, it says there are 7 mountains, and 7 kings. Here mountains refers to significant nations, without a doubt, nations that surround Israel. These are the seven HEADS. But ONE of these heads [nations] suffered a severe and deadly wound. Here is my take on this: what happen to Iraq - old "BAbylon?" She was taken down and her king put to death. I believe this is the one head with a deadly wound. We know then, that this deadly wound will be healed. I think Iraq will once again be a strong Muslim nation. We will wait and see.

LAMAD

 

[southcountry]

This is something that I have studied and have been sort of lacking a full understanding of it, and not as in the imagery depicted but as in how it pans out, in which dimension? I asked myself these questions and thousands of others and hence have determined that these verses, having more than one parallel, and here I only address one so to keep this thought, I believe that the prophets didn't understand exactly how future fulfillment's would pan out or even some know much about the visions they received.

The primary professions typically began with a "I saw or the Lord spoke to me, and so on, and the times that the Lord spoke they heard and might relate to the visions although not fully interpreting future parallel's. Knowing that prophecy fillings flip back and forth, I imagine the prophet's might not know whether it fulfills naturally or spiritually and this is why most of them spoke as they have, but there will be a door that opens the way to the mind of God, and we may have that same mind in us that was also in Christ Jesus.

The model idea in the first verse suggests to me that this is more like it illustrating the formation of the terrestrial body's in the physical heavens, which could be galaxies,perhaps? This is from my box of odd's and ends (IMO). Thanks

Verse 6 through ten overlap verses 1 through 5, once you absorb it in its entirety, read the rest of the chapter, it will makes sense.

Man was cast out of Eden, The woman was the vessel ( not sure exactly what she is) that brought mans genetic makeup to this earth. It was through her the 12 tribes came.

Satan did not like this, but this Earth hid the woman. ( We are on the outside leg on a spiral galaxy, a needle in a haystack. The dragon pursued.

Satan and his demons do travel the stars.

 

[southcountry]

Im with you guys..

Not much left to do but watch.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Not much left to do but watch.

I dont agree with everything they say, I just havent reconciled your point of view yet, but I am trying..

God bless!

 

[iamlamad]

Verse 6 through ten overlap verses 1 through 5, once you absorb it in its entirety, read the rest of the chapter, it will makes sense.

Man was cast out of Eden, The woman was the vessel ( not sure exactly what she is) that brought mans genetic makeup to this earth. It was through her the 12 tribes came.

Satan did not like this, but this Earth hid the woman. ( We are on the outside leg on a spiral galaxy, a needle in a haystack. The dragon pursued.

Satan and his demons do travel the stars.

TOO wild and not truth.

Verses 1-5 is only to show how the dragon attempted to kill Jesus as a child.

Verse 6 begins another thought; those living in Judea that will see the abomination will flee, just as Jesus told them to.

LAMAD

 

[iamlamad]

Not much left to do but watch.

I am watching for His coming in the clouds and in the air, to hear a trumpet sound!

LAMAD

 

[southcountry]

I dont agree with everything they say, I just havent reconciled your point of view yet, but I am trying..

God bless!

Hey, everyone has to work things out in their own way, sure someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong, but who is to say? It never hurts to explore all the views......

But there is one thing I cant deny, and that is what I have seen with my own eyes, on this earth, in this reality. When seeking answers, always build on what you know for sure. God gives us certain experiences for a reason. He wants us to search.

 

[ebedmelech]

Satan has never left the heaven of heavens nor been cast out. He appears regularly in the congregation of the sons of God, there, as the Accuser.

Satan will be cast out in the tribulation and work fast and furiously, knowing he has a short time left to gather all his food supply up to be his stores, for eternal feasting on them in the Lake of fire [his kingdom of darkness]; which food supply is the unrepentant human beings who believe and act upon his lies, and angels to tempt to fall for his lies, along with the demons who are his food supply forever in the Lake of fire; for the torment afflicted by the Satans on the above named subjects forever is their food and drink forever, as Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, wrote.

The Lord Jesus says you're wrong! In John 12...as He heads to the cross, God has confirmed Him with a voice from heaven. Jesus turns to the crowd and emphatically says at John 12:30-32:
30 Jesus answered and said, “This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sakes.
31 Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

This passage isn't really paid attention to...but this is the very scene of Revelation 12:7-10
7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon.The dragon and his angels waged war,
8 and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

The voice in heaven makes the announcement because Jesus has triumphed at the cross. Believers will triumph because no longer can they be accused!!!

That is what Jesus is referring to in John 12:30-32...and why Jesus said "now judgment is upon this world" because Satan had no place to accuse believers before God anymore, because Jesus is going to pay our sin debt. With our sins paid for Satan cannot accuse us because Jesus is the payment for our sins!

Think what or how you want...but there's no place for Satan to accuse us in heaven as he did Job in the OT!

Now Satan is in the world...but he ain't to be found in heaven!

 

[southcountry]

TOO wild and not truth.

Verses 1-5 is only to show how the dragon attempted to kill Jesus as a child.

Verse 6 begins another thought; those living in Judea that will see the abomination will flee, just as Jesus told them to.

LAMAD

The chapter starts this way:


12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.




3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


Youll notice this happens in heaven, not on earth, yet.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

The chapter starts this way:


12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.




3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


Youll notice this happens in heaven, not on earth, yet.

Just a thought..

Could the woman, the great wonder in heaven represent the sealing of the 144,000?

And could the 2nd wonder be indicative of those who take the mark?

Im jumping into this convo without the context or Rev in front of me....

Again, just a thought...

 

[ebedmelech]

Just a thought..

Could the woman, the great wonder in heaven represent the sealing of the 144,000?

And could the 2nd wonder be indicative of those who take the mark?

Im jumping into this convo without the context or Rev in front of me....

Again, just a thought...

No...you're given the symbol to identify the woman from the description in Revelation 12:1:
A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;

You're told this woman is a sign...you find that sign in Joseph's dream in Genesis 37:9-11:
9 Now he had still another dream, and related it to his brothers, and said, “Lo, I have had still another dream; and behold, the sun and the moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”
10 He related it to his father and to his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have had? Shall I and your mother and your brothers actually come to bow ourselves down before you to the ground?”
11 His brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the saying in mind.

Needless to say this is how the nation of Israel became a nation:

Jacob - the sun

Rachel - the moon

Jacob's (Israel's) 12 sons - the 12 stars.

The woman is the nation of Israel through whom Jesus the Messiah comes!

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

No...you're given the symbol to identify the woman from the description in Revelation 12:1:
A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;

You're told this woman is a sign...you find that sign in Joseph's dream in Genesis 37:9-11:
9 Now he had still another dream, and related it to his brothers, and said, “Lo, I have had still another dream; and behold, the sun and the moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”
10 He related it to his father and to his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have had? Shall I and your mother and your brothers actually come to bow ourselves down before you to the ground?”
11 His brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the saying in mind.

Needless to say this is how the nation of Israel became a nation:

Jacob - the sun

Rachel - the moon

Jacob's (Israel's) 12 sons - the 12 stars.

The woman is the nation of Israel through whom Jesus the Messiah comes!

I dont get how you came up with that at all.


Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.


Twelve stars
Eleven stars

I have a hard time calling those parallel verses..

Can you help explain that discrepancy?

 

[ebedmelech]

I dont get how you came up with that at all.


Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.


Twelve stars
Eleven stars

I have a hard time calling those parallel verses..

Can you help explain that discrepancy?

It's Josephs dream...he's the 12th star...the other 11 are his brothers.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Rev_7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev_7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev_7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev_7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Rev_12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

12 stars=12tribes?

 

[ebedmelech]

Rev_7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev_7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev_7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev_7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Rev_12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

12 stars=12tribes?

Sure...but what does John SEE after he hears the number? What he sees tells him what the 144,000 are? It's in Rev 7:9:
9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;


I have shared this before...test it out. John will hear a voice tell him something, and he will turn to what it represents.

 

[SG9]

Ah! A breath of fresh air! Yes, Satan's time will come at the sounding of the 7th trumpet. Then Michael will cast him down.

LAMAD

Dear friend, you told it fairly well but I see the unfolding of these events taking more than just a few seconds where you have specified these spans of time. What appears to be a moment or a passing of a short time may equal to sometimes many decades, or even, and in this case, all within approx., 200 years or less. I believe that what is told in Revelation will repeat in a natural sense where most have been expecting a spiritual event, and visa verse. Reason I say this is because prophecies repeat in an alternating motion like flipping a coin, one time literal and natural and the next time is spiritual and supernatural. Christ first came in flesh, then He ascended and remained in Spirit, then He returns again in flesh as He did 2000 years ago, or did His Spirit leave with Him and remain in heaven, which is the mind in this POV, and then come again to fulfill all of the Law and the Prophets, again in flesh, as He once did, and does again to restore all things new?

It appears that the natural and spiritual attributes of Christ have been confused through time and I'm not so sure of accuracy in certain areas of detail but we do know that He comes, no doubt. This is my idea in spite of what I used to believe. What was once one way, might play out in other phenomenons as well, so the two form factors can alternate and nothing can be accurately determined in detail until we are right up close and personal with the signs and close enough perhaps within days, weeks, months or years to fulfill which once took much longer to complete.

God wants us to be able to see the signs so He slows or speeds the prophetic timeline or the natural time in order to align the two closer together in a paradigm shifting; this is done because God caused a spread which came upon our minds as strong delusion, like a powerful distortion of mind and mental thought processing. This would hold us lock in time or lost in space, so to speak until He corrects the shift and the delusion will fade away as He draws closer. This shifting will bring our minds in alignment with His mind and then the Light shines brighter and brighter as He approaches earth, and our mind's.

I see this 7th trumpet representing the reformation of the Christ and His image of God restored in the Cross. This would only happen if the Cross had been cut down, IMO. What would this then tell us? Would it explain why Christ must come to restore something that the world is lacking that might cause our demise? [Rev 13:4], we are about to finish this prophecy, IMO Thanks

 

[SG9]

The chapter starts this way:


12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.




3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


Youll notice this happens in heaven, not on earth, yet.

I am following most of your work well but may I ask which heaven is this referring to? There are three heavens defined in the Bible that I see as a possible choice, is this one of them, and which one? Thanks

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Sure...but what does John SEE after he hears the number? What he sees tells him what the 144,000 are? It's in Rev 7:9:
9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;


I have shared this before...test it out. John will hear a voice tell him something, and he will turn to what it represents.

This is a flawed theory.

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

How does 144,000= multitude no man can number?

These are separate groups of people..

My thinking? 144,000 are the Jewish remnant, and the multitude are the Christians (you and me)..

Your thoughts?