3rd Temple coming soon..

[yeshuasavedme]

...

That's why Jesus means "YHWH (Jehovah) is salvation". I stand on what I said!

"You shall call His name Yeshua", for He shall save His people from their sins.

The name of Joshua was Hosea -the same as Yeshua, which means Salvation.
Moses changed his name to mean "YHWH is salvation", but the angel said about the LORD: "You shall call His name Yeshua, for He shall save...."

As to the name of the New Man: it is "Israel" and is "contracted from three words: ish- sar -el". the sar/ah is power/to strive, and a prince is a sar.

In Psalm 82, Adam was the one "ben Elohym" - son of God -the sar who died in the fall: if you go read the Hebrew in the concordance you will see that is so.

The "Ish" is the promise of the New Man, Adam was the first Ish. God come in flesh is the second "Ish" and in Hosea 2, YHWH says Israel will call Him "My Ish", and He will call them "My Ishyah".

The El is the promise of being what God created Adam to be in the beginning, but by adoption into that body of New Creation flesh.



The name of the old man, the first human being, is Adam, and God called their name Adam; for the male and the female is called Adam, by the Creator- Genesis 5:2
Adam is the name of every seed come to fruit in the womb since the creation of them in the loins of the first father.

Adam is the old man name, and the Adam flesh and Adam spirit will not inherit the kingdom of God. The spirit and the flesh must be regenerated -which is adoption; and the soul must be cleansed.

The regenerated spirit is the Spirit called Christ, and Christ is the One Living Spirit into which the born again from above believers are regenerated in. It is called the spirit of adoption.

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.



The body of flesh must also be regenerated, for Adam cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
The regenerated flesh is called the adoption of the body, and the name of the body of New Man regenerated flesh is not Adam, but "Israel", the "New Man name".

Jacob received that name as a sign of the adoption to come, and because they have that name, they are also called "the son of God" by adoption, by faith, in the adoption which was to come.

Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;


God called the name of the New Man "Israel" from before creation, and that was the secret name which no man knew until its revealing to Jacob, as the elect. Jacob knew that Israel is the name of God, "the Mighty God, Israel", invoked over His own name Him; and that is why God said to Him when He invoked His name over Him "why is that you ask my name -like "Duh".
Jacob named the memorial altar to His name: "God the Mighty God Israel"

Throughout history since Genesis 32, YHWH is specific that He invoked His name over Jacob. They are "His people, called by His name", and His name is "Israel", as Christ come in New Creation flesh of second human being creation.


YHWH named Adam: Genesis 5:2 Male and female made He them, and called their name Adam..."

YHWH named Israel.
Isaiah 49:
49 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God.
5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.
6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation/Yeshua

יְשׁוּעָה yĕshuw`ah
unto the end of the earth....

 

[yeshuasavedme]

...

Throughout history since Genesis 32, YHWH is specific that He invoked His name over Jacob. They are "His people, called by His name", and His name is "Israel", as Christ come in New Creation flesh of second human being creation.


YHWH named Adam: Genesis 5:2 Male and female made He them, and called their name Adam..."

YHWH named Israel.
Isaiah 49:
49 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God.
5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.
6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation/Yeshua

יְשׁוּעָה yĕshuw`ah
unto the end of the earth....

Sirach 36 Bible Gateway

The name "Israel", the name of "the God of the whole earth", is invoked over His people:

Sirach 36:

14 Have mercy on thy people, upon whom thy name is invoked: and upon Israel, whom thou hast raised up to be thy firstborn.
15 Have mercy on Jerusalem, the city which thou hast sanctified, the city of thy rest.
16 Fill Sion with thy unspeakable words, and thy people with thy glory.
17 Give testimony to them that are thy creatures from the beginning, and raise up the prophecies which the former prophets spoke in thy name.
18 Reward them that patiently wait for thee, that thy prophets may be found faithful: and hear the prayers of thy servants,
19 According to the blessing of Aaron over thy people, and direct us into the way of justice, and let all know that dwell upon the earth, that thou art God the beholder of all ages.

 

[ebedmelech]

Yeshuasavedme, you may as well move on because I have proved from Blue Letter Bible, the very resource you used, that you're in error.

Anyhow, why would you use Matthew 1:21?:
21 She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.

Using that verse makes my very point Jesus means "YHWH is salvation", because who is Jesus but God in flesh. God is doing the saving!!!

You're just wrong and you need to admit it. I leave you an article from Blue Letter Bible...and *perhaps* you'll understand...or remain too prideful to admit your error(s):

Yahweh Is Salvation | Blue Letter Bible: The Blog

* Behind the Name: Meaning, Origin and History of the Name Joshua

* Joshua (name) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Yeshuasavedme, you may as well move on because I have proved from Blue Letter Bible, the very resource you used, that you're in error.

Anyhow, why would you use Matthew 1:21?:
21 She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.

Using that verse makes my very point Jesus means "YHWH is salvation", because who is Jesus but God in flesh. God is doing the saving!!!

You're just wrong and you need to admit it. I leave you an article from Blue Letter Bible...and *perhaps* you'll understand...or remain too prideful to admit your error(s):

Yahweh Is Salvation | Blue Letter Bible: The Blog

Ebed, I was thinking about this, and I agree with you on the meaning of Jesus, Yeshua, and Yehoshua.

So the Bible appears to also say Christ will known as Emmanuel, which means "God with us".

Do you have insight into why it says this?

Is it because we believe that Jesus was God in the flesh?

I believe that Christ was God in the flesh, so "God with us" seems rather fitting.

What are your thoughts mate?

Cheers

 

[ebedmelech]

Ebed, I was thinking about this, and I agree with you on the meaning of Jesus, Yeshua, and Yehoshua.

So the Bible appears to also say Christ will known as Emmanuel, which means "God with us".

Do you have insight into why it says this?

Is it because we believe that Jesus was God in the flesh?

I believe that Christ was God in the flesh, so "God with us" seems rather fitting.

What are your thoughts mate?

Cheers

I think John 1:1-14 Nails it down!

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

I think John 1:1-14 Nails it down!

I cant agree more!

Blessings from our Lord

Cheers

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Yeshuasavedme, you may as well move on because I have proved from Blue Letter Bible, the very resource you used, that you're in error.

Anyhow, why would you use Matthew 1:21?:
21 She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.

The language the angel spoke in was not Greek, and there is no such a thing as the angel telling them to name the Holy Son of God anything like "Jesus". transliterated to English Greek!

So the BLB is useless there, for you, in that the original language spoken by the angel was not Greek.
The name was Hebrew for "Salvation", as I proved from the name of Oshea, the name Joshua had been named by his father, which Moses changed.
Moses changed his name from "Salvation" to "YAH is salvation".

The angel said to call His name "Salvation", which is "Yeshua".But that is what we call Him. YHWH called His name "Israel".
He is the Ish
with the power of a prince
& is God, the El

Jacob knew His name was revealed to him and that His name was Israel, as "God, the Mighty God, Israel", and Jacob built and named a memorial altar and named it after Him.

Ever after, Israel are the people who had the name of God, the Mighty God, Israel, invoked over them.

They bear His second creation human being flesh name -the name of the Son of God of the second creation.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I believe that Christ was God in the flesh, so "God with us" seems rather fitting.


Cheers

Isaiah 59:" YHWH, Himself, put on the garment of Yeshua/Salvation", to come as Redeemer/Kinsman.

His garment is His New Creation human being flesh body which was prepared in the womb to do the Pleasure of God in, which was the Atonement, for our Salvation/Yeshua.

He is still wearing the Garment of Yeshua, and His name, as second man, in that garment, is "Israel" -Isaiah 49.

 

[ebedmelech]

The language the angel spoke in was not Greek, and there is no such a thing as the angel telling them to name the Holy Son of God anything like "Jesus". transliterated to English Greek!

So the BLB is useless there, for you, in that the original language spoken by the angel was not Greek.
The name was Hebrew for "Salvation", as I proved from the name of Oshea, the name Joshua had been named by his father, which Moses changed.
Moses changed his name from "Salvation" to "YAH is salvation".

The angel said to call His name "Salvation", which is "Yeshua".But that is what we call Him. YHWH called His name "Israel".
He is the Ish
with the power of a prince
& is God, the El

Jacob knew His name was revealed to him and that His name was Israel, as "God, the Mighty God, Israel", and Jacob built and named a memorial altar and named it after Him.

Ever after, Israel are the people who had the name of God, the Mighty God, Israel, invoked over them.

They bear His second creation human being flesh name -the name of the Son of God of the second creation.

Play all the explanations you want yeshuasavedme...but tranlation has NOTHING to do with it. Rome had taken power from Greece at this time and so Greek was spoken. The MAJORIY of NT manuscripts are in Greek.

Also take note that the Holy Spirit works IN US. He can speak any language. So please don't even come with the "language" an angel spoke because you have no clue yeshuasavedme.

The angel Gabriel, that spoke to Mary and Joesph was God's messenger, and you can bet he got the job done in what ever language he spoke. Our God is omniscient! So don't even try to say God cannot scale the language barrier. In saying so...you limit God. You build a straw man yesuhuasavedme!

Translation is not the issue...t's your stubborness! Let's look at the Hebrew Names for God from the OT:


*Jehovah-Nissi - The Lord Is My Banner

*Jehovah-Jireh - The Lord will provide

*Jehovah-Rohi - Jehovah, my Shepherd

*Jehovah-Rophe - The Lord Heals

*Jehovah-Tsidkenu - Lord our Righteousness

*Jehovah-M'Kaddesh - the Lord our Sanctifier

*Jehovah-Shammah - The Lord is There

*Jehovah-Shalom - the Lord our Peace

Now...once again Blue Letter Bible proves you are incorrect and Jesus means YHWH is salvation. I showed you once...but Here it is once more:
Greek Lexicon :: G2424 (NASB)

From Vine's Expository Dictionary:
Jesus:
is a transliteration of the Heb. "Joshua," meaning "Jehovah is salvation," i.e., "is the Savior," "a common name among the Jews, e.g., Exd 17:9; Luk 3:29 (RV); Col 4:11. It was given to the Son of God in Incarnation as His personal name, in obedience to the command of an angel to Joseph, the husband of His Mother, Mary, shortly before He was born, Mat 1:21. By it He is spoken of throughout the Gospel narratives generally, but not without exception, as in Mar 16:19, 20; Luk 7:13, and a dozen other places in that Gospel, and a few in John.

All you need do is click "view entry" on the link I provided.

Also do you remember Zola Levitt? I would watch him all the time and that Jewish Christian brother would say many times "Jesus" means Jehovah is Salvation.

Names of God | There is Power in Prayer through Yeshua Ha' Mashiach!

 

[L0U]

Yes...I already knew when LOU said "1700 years earlier" that's where he was going...but that is not going to be where dispensational eschatology started.

Dispensationalism is not what I was targeting on. In that case you are correct, it can be traced to the 1800's and the Plymouth Bretheren movement. (You really would be edified to read about Charles Spurgeons' run-in's with these types.)

What we were discussing ebedmelech, was your suggestion;
" There is no prophecy about antichrist...it's total "eschatological fabrication" John told us in 1 John 4 and 2 John 1 that spirit of antichrist, as well as antichrist was already in the world!"
But I can assure you that the orthodox historic premillenialist view about the coming of a personal antiChrist who will contain within himself all satanic power is hundreds of years older than even the roman catholic church.

 

[ebedmelech]

Dispensationalism is not what I was targeting on. In that case you are correct, it can be traced to the 1800's and the Plymouth Bretheren movement. (You really would be edified to read about Charles Spurgeons' run-in's with these types.)

I have the resources LOU. right on my computer through various sites and via Quickverse 2010

What we were discussing ebedmelech, was your suggestion;
" There is no prophecy about antichrist...it's total "eschatological fabrication" John told us in 1 John 4 and 2 John 1 that spirit of antichrist, as well as antichrist was already in the world!"
But I can assure you that the orthodox historic premillenialist view about the coming of a personal antiChrist who will contain within himself all satanic power is hundreds of years older than even the roman catholic church.

OK LOU...now I get where you're going. However why would it not be LOU? We are told in the scriptures that antichrist was already existent.

My point in making that statement is to the point of the dispensational eschatological teaching, of a coming antichrist who is going to deceive the world into one government, make a treaty with Israel for 7 years, and in the middle of those 7 years begin a slaughter on the Jews, and take over this "3rd temple" that is to be built. That is what i'm calling "fabrication".

All we need do is look at history and we can find many antichrist figures, so I'm in agreement with you there. Many more are coming if our Lord doesn't come first.

Antichrist is a spirit and can also be a person, or governmental entity, or other agency. I don't have a problem with that at all. My thing is we have Christian looking for AN antichrist to come...when there are so many operating even now! I stopped looking for AN antichrist years ago...there are to many already, no need to look for one

 

[yeshuasavedme]

... Rome had taken power from Greece at this time and so Greek was spoken.

Hebrew and Aramaic were spoken in Israel when Jesus was conceived, and afterward. Pilate had "The King of The Jews" written in three spoken languages and nailed to the cross: Greek, Latin, and Hebrew.

Jhn 19:20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.
Luk 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.



The angel spoke in Hebrew, and said to "call His name Yeshua, for He shall save His people from their sins".
Yeshua means "Salvation".

Jesus did not speak Greek on the cross:
Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?



Jesus spoke in Hebrew to Saul:
Act 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.




The chief captain was surprised that Paul, a Jew, could speak Greek.

Act 21:37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?

Act 21:40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,

Act 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)


In Jerusalem, then, the Jews spoke Hebrew, as Acts 22 proves.
The name the angel said to call the Son of God is "Yeshua", Hebrew for "Salvation".

 

[ebedmelech]

Hebrew and Aramaic were spoken in Israel when Jesus was conceived, and afterward. Pilate had "The King of The Jews" written in three spoken languages and nailed to the cross: Greek, Latin, and Hebrew.

Jhn 19:20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.
Luk 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.



The angel spoke in Hebrew, and said to "call His name Yeshua, for He shall save His people from their sins".
Yeshua means "Salvation".

Jesus did not speak Greek on the cross:
Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?



Jesus spoke in Hebrew to Saul:
Act 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.




The chief captain was surprised that Paul, a Jew, could speak Greek.

Act 21:37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?

Act 21:40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,

Act 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)


In Jerusalem, then, the Jews spoke Hebrew, as Acts 22 proves.
The name the angel said to call the Son of God is "Yeshua", Hebrew for "Salvation".

I'll give you credit for being stubborn yeshuasavedme...but that's it. You're still building a straw man.

One scripture "Is anything too hard for the Lord?"

Are you getting that? If God through His power can:

*Cause a woman and man well past childbearing age to bring forth John the Baptist (Elizabeth and Zacharias)

*Cause a virgin to be impregnated without sex (Mary)

*Make a priest a mute until a child is born (Zacharias and John the Baptist)

Don't even try to tell me He can't gift His people by the Holy Spirit to accurately transliterate language.

Are you even thinking about what you're saying in what you're writing?

 

[L0U]

My point in making that statement is to the point of the dispensational eschatological teaching, of a coming antichrist who is going to deceive the world into one government, make a treaty with Israel for 7 years, and in the middle of those 7 years begin a slaughter on the Jews, and take over this "3rd temple" that is to be built. That is what i'm calling "fabrication".

A.D. 354-430

"I see that I must omit many of the statements of the gospels and epistles about this last judgment, that this volume may not become unduly long; but I can on no account omit what the Apostle Paul says, in writing to the Thessalonians, “We beseech you, brethren, by
the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,”
No one can doubt that he wrote this of Antichrist and of the day of judgment, which he here calls the day of the Lord, nor that he declared that this day should not come unless he first came who is called the apostate —apostate, to wit, from the Lord God. And if this
may justly be said of all the ungodly, how much more of him?
But it is uncertain in what temple he shall sit, whether in that ruin of the temple which was built by Solomon, or in the Church; for the apostle would not call the temple of any idol or demon the temple of God."
(Augustine- The City of God, Chapter 19.—What the Apostle Paul Wrote to the
Thessalonians About the Manifestation
of Antichrist Which Shall Precede the Day of the Lord)
===================================
"But that those carnal Israelites who are now unwilling to believe in Christ shall afterward believe, that is, their children shall (for they themselves, of course, shall go to their own place by dying), this same prophet testifies, saying, “For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, without a prince, without a sacrifice, without an altar, without a priesthood, without manifestations." Who does not see that the Jews are now thus? But let us hear what he adds: “And afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king, and shall be amazed at the Lord and at His goodness in the latter days."
(Augustine- Chapter 28.—Of the Things Pertaining to the Gospel of Christ Which Hosea and Amos Prohesied.)
===================================
"That the last judgment, then, shall be administered by Jesus Christ in the manner predicted in the sacred writings is denied or doubted by no one, unless by those who, through some incredible animosity or blindness, decline to believe these writings, though already their truth is demonstrated to all the world. And at or in connection with that judgment the following events shall come to pass, as we have learned: Elias the Tishbite shall come; the Jews shall believe; Antichrist shall persecute; Christ shall judge; the dead shall rise; the good and the wicked shall be separated; the world shall be burned and renewed. All these things, we believe, shall come to pass; but how, or in what order, human understanding cannot perfectly teach us, but only the experience of the events
themselves. My opinion, however, is, that they will happen in the order in which I have related."
(Augustine-Chapter 30.—That in the Books of the Old Testament, Where It is Said that God Shall Judge the World, the Person of Christ is Not Explicitly Indicated, But It Plainly Appears from Some Passages in Which the Lord God Speaks that Christ is Meant.)

Need be I go farther back?

 

[Interplanner]

Where would he get the idea that they would believe? And believe what? Is he starting a two-program Bible here--two gospels, two peoples, two endings (like some of the new movies!)? If it is the same people building a 3rd temple, then the Gospel has to start all over again.

 

[riverrat]

Where would he get the idea that they would believe? And believe what? Is he starting a two-program Bible here--two gospels, two peoples, two endings (like some of the new movies!)? If it is the same people building a 3rd temple, then the Gospel has to start all over again.

ner, which gospel are you referring to?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Hebrew and Aramaic were spoken in Israel when Jesus was conceived, and afterward. Pilate had "The King of The Jews" written in three spoken languages and nailed to the cross: Greek, Latin, and Hebrew.

Jhn 19:20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.
Luk 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.



The angel spoke in Hebrew, and said to "call His name Yeshua, for He shall save His people from their sins".
Yeshua means "Salvation".

Jesus did not speak Greek on the cross:
Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?



Jesus spoke in Hebrew to Saul:
Act 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.




The chief captain was surprised that Paul, a Jew, could speak Greek.

Act 21:37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?

Act 21:40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,

Act 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)


In Jerusalem, then, the Jews spoke Hebrew, as Acts 22 proves.
The name the angel said to call the Son of God is "Yeshua", Hebrew for "Salvation".

You can prove a lot of things from reading the Bible, itself, instead of the words of men far removed from the times.

Pilate saw no reason have written "The King of the Jews" in Aramaic, to hang above the cross. If the majority of the Jews in Israel spoke Aramaic, then Pilate would have had Aramaic written, but as we see from the Scripture, itself, the Hebrew language was the language of the Jews in Jerusalem and Jesus spoke it, so His parents spoke it, and the angel who announced His name had no reason to speak a foreign tongue to announce the incarnation of the Saviour who saves/delivers.
In fact, "Jesus" means nothing in Greek for it was not a word meaning anything in Greek
It is "Yeshua", and it means "Saviour/Deliverer".





Psa 118:14
YAH is my strength and song, and is become my Yeshua .

Psalm 118:21 is a testimony to Him being our Yeshua/Saviour/Deliverer:
I will praise you; you answered me; you are my Yeshua


Psa 118:22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

 

[ebedmelech]

A.D. 354-430

"I see that I must omit many of the statements of the gospels and epistles about this last judgment, that this volume may not become unduly long; but I can on no account omit what the Apostle Paul says, in writing to the Thessalonians, “We beseech you, brethren, by
the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,”
No one can doubt that he wrote this of Antichrist and of the day of judgment, which he here calls the day of the Lord, nor that he declared that this day should not come unless he first came who is called the apostate —apostate, to wit, from the Lord God. And if this
may justly be said of all the ungodly, how much more of him?
But it is uncertain in what temple he shall sit, whether in that ruin of the temple which was built by Solomon, or in the Church; for the apostle would not call the temple of any idol or demon the temple of God."
(Augustine- The City of God, Chapter 19.—What the Apostle Paul Wrote to the
Thessalonians About the Manifestation
of Antichrist Which Shall Precede the Day of the Lord)
===================================
"But that those carnal Israelites who are now unwilling to believe in Christ shall afterward believe, that is, their children shall (for they themselves, of course, shall go to their own place by dying), this same prophet testifies, saying, “For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, without a prince, without a sacrifice, without an altar, without a priesthood, without manifestations." Who does not see that the Jews are now thus? But let us hear what he adds: “And afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king, and shall be amazed at the Lord and at His goodness in the latter days."
(Augustine- Chapter 28.—Of the Things Pertaining to the Gospel of Christ Which Hosea and Amos Prohesied.)
===================================
"That the last judgment, then, shall be administered by Jesus Christ in the manner predicted in the sacred writings is denied or doubted by no one, unless by those who, through some incredible animosity or blindness, decline to believe these writings, though already their truth is demonstrated to all the world. And at or in connection with that judgment the following events shall come to pass, as we have learned: Elias the Tishbite shall come; the Jews shall believe; Antichrist shall persecute; Christ shall judge; the dead shall rise; the good and the wicked shall be separated; the world shall be burned and renewed. All these things, we believe, shall come to pass; but how, or in what order, human understanding cannot perfectly teach us, but only the experience of the events
themselves. My opinion, however, is, that they will happen in the order in which I have related."
(Augustine-Chapter 30.—That in the Books of the Old Testament, Where It is Said that God Shall Judge the World, the Person of Christ is Not Explicitly Indicated, But It Plainly Appears from Some Passages in Which the Lord God Speaks that Christ is Meant.)

Need be I go farther back?

What does that mean based on what I said LOU? I made the point that antichrist already is existent and that John says in 1 John 4 and 2 John ...so how is it anymore a prophecy?

This doesn't refute anything I said. I have plenty of material of the Church Fathers LOU on eschatology

So kind of lay out what you think refutes what I'm saying...to wit:

It's a prophecy where Doug??? Please don't say Ezekiel 40-48 because that get so old. That is a vision Ezekiel walked through and Ezekiel 43:10-12 tells us why it was never built! I believe you have the same "man" that walked Ezekiel through his vision walking John through his in Revelation 21:15-27. Think about that one.

There is no prophecy about antichrist...it's total "eschatological fabrication" John told us in 1 John 4 and 2 John 1 that spirit of antichrist, as well as antichrist was already in the world!

You're hard pressed to prove your point...and falling woefully short!

 

[ebedmelech]

You can prove a lot of things from reading the Bible, itself, instead of the words of men far removed from the times.

Pilate saw no reason have written "The King of the Jews" in Aramaic, to hang above the cross. If the majority of the Jews in Israel spoke Aramaic, then Pilate would have had Aramaic written, but as we see from the Scripture, itself, the Hebrew language was the language of the Jews in Jerusalem and Jesus spoke it, so His parents spoke it, and the angel who announced His name had no reason to speak a foreign tongue to announce the incarnation of the Saviour who saves/delivers.
In fact, "Jesus" means nothing in Greek for it was not a word meaning anything in Greek
It is "Yeshua", and it means "Saviour/Deliverer".





Psa 118:14
YAH is my strength and song, and is become my Yeshua .

Psalm 118:21 is a testimony to Him being our Yeshua/Saviour/Deliverer:
I will praise you; you answered me; you are my Yeshua


Psa 118:22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

Pretty weak stuff yeshuasavedme! Again I say...open your eyes to everything in scriptures and stop contriving the scriptures to support you.

Let's examine what Pilate did in light of John's gospel...John 19:19, 20:
19 Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It was written, “JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS.”
20 Therefore many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin and in Greek.

We see here Pilate wrote in three languages...so tell me, why do you keep building this "straw man" argument?

Translation is NOT an issue then yeshuasavedme...neither is it an issue today! What you're doing with every point you TRY to make, is paint yourself in a corner.

What Pilate wrote look something like this:

It also makes my point that Greek was pretty much spoken among the Jews.

What you need to do...is understand you don't have a point here trying to argue there's a translation issue with the English "Jesus", the Greek "Iesous" and the Hebrew "Yĕhowshuwa`" ... it's clear the meaning is "YHWH is salvation".

The English rendering of Joshua: Joshua or Jehoshua = "Jehovah is salvation"

What's the bottom line? In Greek it is "Iesous", in Hebrew it is "Yĕhowshuwa`", in English it is "Jesus"...and they all mean "YHWH is salvation"...for through transliteration, the meaning doesn't change.

 

[ShedSinforChrist]

Pretty weak stuff yeshuasavedme! Again I say...open your eyes to everything in scriptures and stop contriving the scriptures to support you.

Let's examine what Pilate did in light of John's gospel...John 19:19, 20:
19 Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It was written, “JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS.”
20 Therefore many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin and in Greek.

We see here Pilate wrote in three languages...so tell me, why do you keep building this "straw man" argument?

Translation is NOT an issue then yeshuasavedme...neither is it an issue today! What you're doing with every point you TRY to make, is paint yourself in a corner.

What Pilate wrote look something like this:

It also makes my point that Greek was pretty much spoken among the Jews.

What you need to do...is understand you don't have a point here trying to argue there's a translation issue with the English "Jesus", the Greek "Iesous" and the Hebrew "Yĕhowshuwa`" ... it's clear the meaning is "YHWH is salvation".

The English rendering of Joshua: Joshua or Jehoshua = "Jehovah is salvation"

What's the bottom line? In Greek it is "Iesous", in Hebrew it is "Yĕhowshuwa`", in English it is "Jesus"...and they all mean "YHWH is salvation"...for through transliteration, the meaning doesn't change.

It is worth noting that "Jesus" is not the actual English for the Greek "Iesous".

The Original translation, since there was no J, in English, was "Iesus"

The J is merely the evolution of I to J in over the last few hundred years by English speaking people.

KJV
Mat 1:25 And knewe her not, till shee had brought forth her first borne sonne, and he called his name Iesus.


Fun fact that really contributes nothing to the conversation lol.

Cheers