3abn Continued

[sonshineonme]

I know your tactics well "Steffan" ...you seek to do and say whatever is necessary to keep the attention off the truth. If you were not afraid of the truth, your posts would not be as they are. Keep at it now as it serves a good purpose. It is what it is. Can't get around it. The truth will not change nor go away because you make such posts.

 

[Princessdi]

Also to be fair. Was there not a an entire congregation in Huntsville, AL that converted just a couple of months ago? God will never with hold the truth form His children seeking it because of the sins of others. God will never with hold blessings from the many ministries that broadcast through 3ABN daily. Holding Danny acountable for his actions, is one thing. Denying the power of God is yet another. They are mutually exclusive.

Thank you tall for that. Pickle's assumptions that "there must not be any" is another tactic for getting the info since everyone likes to be believed. We know who those precious people are and so does God. It is a shame to be forced into keeping something that wonderful, quiet because of certain individuals.

 

[Jimlarmore]

Dr. Thompson maintained to me that he had done a thorough investigation in spite of the fact that he never contacted the aggrieved to get their side of the story. If you had pulled the stunt he has pulled, you would have been fired. Why hasn't he been relieved of his duties for his gross negligence?

I can only assume that Dr. Thompson has yet to contact one single victim, their families, or the two ordaining associations, and thus that the information he gave you is suspect and probably completely bogus.

Criminal investigations most generally take on a different flavor/urgency than this type of non-sense requires. Time is of the essence for a CID officer and it's because cold evidence looses it's accuracy and validity. What we have here is essentially a bunch of gossip that may have questionable credence in the first place. In the e-mail Dr.Thompson sent me he didn't say one way or the other if he had interviewed any alledged victims of not. However, what he told me I believe he fully believes to be accurate.

As far as accusing Dr. Thompson of lying may I appeal to common sense from everyone here. This is a man serving as a top member of a board of trustees for a ministry of God. If there was truely good solid evidence for the things you guys are saying he would be right with you. However, he like many others of us know that this is simply a ploy to defame and impune a man of God and in the end bring down 3ABN. The evidence is questionable and the accusations in some cases are out right lies.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Pickle]

And Tater, please do not refer to our church as a cult again. It is highly insulting to do this.

It's possible that Tater was not referring to the Adventist Church as a whole as being a cult.

I've talked to Duane Clem about this before. He tells me that people around Thompsonville have a high respect for Adventists, and that the things going on at 3ABN has not changed their perception of Adventists.

Now as far as 3ABN specifically goes, there are some things going on that some evangelicals as well as Adventists do associate with cult-like behavior, and that is unfortunate. For example, see the quotes on http://www.save3abn.com/3abn-live-06-8-10-its-all-lies-choice-quotes.htm

Here's three excerpts from that page. They do not represent standard Adventist theology or practice, that's for sure.

Danny Is God's Chosen Leader, Like Moses
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"I entitled it, 'Going Forward.' And the focal point of the character of this book is the man by the name of Moses." (John Lomacang)


"But like Israel of old, many are asking the question of despair, 'Is the Lord among us or not?' " (John Lomacang)


"In the position of Moses I stand here to tell you that God has commanded all of us to simply go forward" (John Lomacang)


"Moses was the instrument that God used as Danny Shelton is the instrument that God uses here at 3ABN. ... He's simply the chosen servant of God." (John Lomacang)
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It's Wrong to Disagree with Danny​

"The Israelites had to acknowledge that God had chosen Moses to lead them. I want to stop and say that we may not always agree with who God chooses, but when God chooses someone, disagreeing with that one can brings on us adversity, discouragement, and the loss of our vision." (John Lomacang)

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God Warns, 'No Church Discipline, No Court Case, No Investigation Against Danny'
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"And then other thing, there's a promise that God has for us, and there's a warning that God has for others. He says, 'Touch not the Lord's anointed, and do my prophet no harm. Now when we look at the men in the Bible that were prophets, not a one of them were faultless, not a one of them without, were out mistakes and sin in their lives. But God says, 'When I anoint a man, when I anoint a woman, it's my job to straighten them out.' Anyone who takes that job is stepping on God's territory, and God will deal with those who try to usurp the thing that belongs only to Him." (John Lomacang)​

So we have above Danny being placed on the level of Moses. We have it being declared to be wrong to disagree with Danny. And we have Danny being placed beyond the correction of men, apparently whether it be by church or state. Thus no pastor, no congregation, no church board, no cop, no judge can call him to account.

That isn't Adventism, in my opinion. Never have we taken the position that anyone is beyond the reach of church discipline or the authority of the state regarding anything and everything.

Even when it comes to Ellen White, Adventists have always taught that the prophets must be subject to the prophets, that every believer has the responsibility of comparing what she wrote to what the Bible says, and examining her fruit ("by their fruit ye shall know them"), and judging her work accordingly.

 

[steffanphilip]

I know your tactics well "Steffan" ...you seek to do and say whatever is necessary to keep the attention off the truth. If you were not afraid of the truth, your posts would not be as they are. Keep at it now as it serves a good purpose. It is what it is. Can't get around it. The truth will not change nor go away because you make such posts.

Oops. Did you actually say that? I focused on the truth - Linda the liar (see documentation), Gailon the con (see documentation).

If anything, you are trying your best to keep attention of it by using allegations and smear tactics on anything 3ABN connected.

I sincerely hope that the truth does not change. And I sincerely hope that truth does not go away - because it would then mean that Satan has triumphed.

 

[Pickle]

As far as accusing Dr. Thompson of lying may I appeal to common sense from everyone here.

Jim,

I never accused Walt Thompson of lying. I stated that the information he gave you was likely bogus, but I never said he lied. If he is getting his information from an alleged pedophile who happens to be highly manipulative, then he can end up with bogus information told to him by a liar without actually lying himself.

I appeal to your common sense: I have personally talked to at least five alleged victims of Church of god minister Tommy Shelton, and I have talked to the mother of a sixth. Of those six, five I believe claim to have been under 18, and one claims to have been 8. We aren't talking about gossip or hearsay.

Based on your experience, what is the likelihood of all six lying? Remember, this does not include the three or four allegations that came from Virginia, at least one of which was a minor. And it does not include the eyewitness account of the lady who caught Tommy in a house with a boy.

 

[Princessdi]

Excuse me...Um.....Bonedealer, is it? Do you know me? Better question, do I know you?

There are allegations against Danny. he really needs to answer them. He has taken the role of a leader of God's Children. He is answerable to God and those people whom he leads. Unfortunately, in the case, that means basically all the world to which 3ABN is broadcast. He has put himself in a postition of trusted authority, and he asks his audience to support him with money and viewership. If the allegations are true, he took advantage of that position. He is accountable.

Asking someone about their wrongs done, is not unreasonable nor unchristian. Implying that another child of God is a is than human is. Telling Stormy to "slither back.....' infers he is not humans, since humans don't slither.

Yes, I called Danny a liar, because he lied, straight up! He lied without us even asking him a question, the worse kind of lie. he did not even have to fix his fingers to tell that lie, but he did. No, Tomatoe, not because shortly after he filed for the quickie divorce, but at the time he was telling us that lie about trying to save his marriage, he was filing for that divorce. IOW, he knew he was going to get the divorce when he wrote the lie. Now he has no credibility with me. Especially since, he has still been less than truthful, and his ways less than Christ-like. I hold Danny responsible for his actions and his actions only. I don't know about Linda. She hasn't spoken. When she does speak, is she lies, you can be sure, that I will hold her accountable also. But for now, she ahsn't said a word. Danny is the only one talk, and lying at this point.

those of you who are read or are also member of BSDA know that I maintain that if Linda did everything Danny says she did, he has the responsiblity of self professed "Leader in Christian Living" to handle this situation in a Christ like manner.

I see that Jim is worried about this all being played out in public. He has Danny to thank for that. Had he and the board not made extremely public statements about Linda, trying to prove his case for initially "spiritual adultery"(whatever that is), and later physical adultery(only because the "spiritual" just wasnt' working for him). Then nobody would be asking him questions about anything right now. But somehow he thought he could put Linda on blast, and he stay below the radar. Not workin! Especially since she was under a gag order for at least two and a half years, if not to present.

Now, I told y'all I was trying to stay on the sidelines. You have my position. Leave me be, now! LOL!!!

princess di . . . have you stopped to realize that danny (and the others you have spoken against) are children of God? . . . would God treat his children the way you have?

just 2 cents from the bonedealer

 

[noahswife]

Oops. Did you actually say that? I focused on the truth - Linda the liar (see documentation), Gailon the con (see documentation).

If anything, you are trying your best to keep attention of it by using allegations and smear tactics on anything 3ABN connected.

I sincerely hope that the truth does not change. And I sincerely hope that truth does not go away - because it would then mean that Satan has triumphed.

Focus on the truth or on spin, Steffan?

Show me where Judge Rowe says Linda lied or are you too stupid to know the diffence in what discrepency means and a lie?

 

[Pickle]

To all participants in this discussion:

I think it a reasonable request for both sides to try to stick to just the facts and testimony. It really is pointless and counterproductive to impugn people's motives and accuse them of spreading slime or whatever.

The simple facts are that we have Tommy Shelton, an alleged pedophile with many allegations against him from two states. Then we have Walt Thompson saying that Danny told him that the allegations were 30 years old, when they weren't. And we have him saying that Danny told him that they were all due to a feud with Pastor Glenn Dryden, when they weren't.

Then we have Dr. Walt Thompson, 3ABN Board Chairman, asking me to verify the information he gave me, which I attempted to do in the best way I knew how.

Then we have Danny saying on April 27, 2004, that his marriage was over because Linda hid his gun. And he indicated on July 17, 2004, a month after his divorce, that he still didn't know if Linda had committed fornication, which in Adventism is generally considered the only biblical basis for divorce.

Then we have Walt Thompson saying in March 2005 that he still didn't have evidence that Linda had committed adultery.

We have all the above in writing at http://www.save3abn.com/.

We also have Danny in writing indicating that he is trying to hide the profits he made from the TCTR book until after he and Linda have settled their property division. And we have an influential individual claiming that Danny probably made hundreds of thousands of dollars off that book, which would be a conflict of interest, and which could jeopardize 3ABN's tax exempt status.

Those are the facts that we have. I would welcome seeing facts that would put things in a different light.

 

[Jimlarmore]

Woob,

I appreciate your comments on this but you may want to refrain from getting into a tit for tat dialogue with these folks. This is what they and the enemy wants. What they are really about is anything but finding the truth. At this point I don't think they would know the truth if it came up and bit them on the ankle. The more we argue over silly issues the more the flame is fed and the more this stinking bucket of feces is stirred up. Nearly everything about this whole mess with the exception of the allegations made against Tommy should never have come to a public forum. If they really wanted to resolve concerns they should have conducted their actions according to what the Lord told us to do in Matt 18.

However, that is not what they are about at all. This really festered up right after last years 10 commandment week end. I believe that satan has inspired some of our folks to do this and the more we take part the more it gets inflated. We need to all pray for 3ABN so that satan's plan is not realized.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Pickle]

I got an email today from someone claiming that Fallible Human Being over at BSDA was a certain Thompson from Madison, Wisconsin. Anyone ever heard that before?

Oddly enough, I called up a friend of mine near Madison, and she told me that Dr. Walt Thompson does have a son with the very initials that Fallible used in the emails he's sent me. Fallible had indicated that his last name began with "T."

That would explain why Fallible has felt so strongly in defending Danny, even when Danny was caught in obvious lies.

Even though Fallible and I see a lot of things differently, I will say that I commend him for being so supportive of his dad.

 

[StormyOne]

Woob,

I appreciate your comments on this but you may want to refrain from getting into a tit for tat dialogue with these folks. This is what they and the enemy wants. What they are really about is anything but finding the truth. At this point I don't think they would know the truth if it came up and bit them on the ankle. The more we argue over silly issues the more the flame is fed and the more this stinking bucket of feces is stirred up. Nearly everything about this whole mess with the exception of the allegations made against Tommy should never have come to a public forum. If they really wanted to resolve concerns they should have conducted their actions according to what the Lord told us to do in Matt 18.

However, that is not what they are about at all. This really festered up right after last years 10 commandment week end. I believe that satan has inspired some of our folks to do this and the more we take part the more it gets inflated. We need to all pray for 3ABN so that satan's plan is not realized.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

these folks? Give me a break Jim.... because we see the issue differently it means we don't know what the truth is? That is both demeaning and arrogant.... rather than just say we agree to disagree, those who have supported Danny in this mess have consistently made disparaging comments about those who have disagreed with them... sort of like your comments.... everything from they can't see the truth, to they are being used by satan.... never once considering that you might be wrong....

That's cool though... I suppose as an ex-cop and a criminal investigator you have never been wrong about anything....

 

[steffanphilip]

Woob,

I appreciate your comments on this but you may want to refrain from getting into a tit for tat dialogue with these folks. This is what they and the enemy wants. What they are really about is anything but finding the truth. At this point I don't think they would know the truth if it came up and bit them on the ankle. The more we argue over silly issues the more the flame is fed and the more this stinking bucket of feces is stirred up. Nearly everything about this whole mess with the exception of the allegations made against Tommy should never have come to a public forum. If they really wanted to resolve concerns they should have conducted their actions according to what the Lord told us to do in Matt 18.

However, that is not what they are about at all. This really festered up right after last years 10 commandment week end. I believe that satan has inspired some of our folks to do this and the more we take part the more it gets inflated. We need to all pray for 3ABN so that satan's plan is not realized.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Jim,

You're right. I am going to try and stop the tit for tat and focus on facts from now on.

 

[steffanphilip]

Focus on the truth or on spin, Steffan?

Show me where Judge Rowe says Linda lied or are you too stupid to know the diffence in what discrepency means and a lie?

Like I said before, I'll ignore the personal attack.

1. This discrepancy was a lie - a calculated lie. This was not a small or insignificant matter - the document thought that it was important enough to include the fact that Linda lied. Further down in the document, the matter is discussed further as in ...

2. Linda insisted that the 800 number was for prayer requests only but the document points out that it is the same number used to order CDs. Not a lie?

 

[noahswife]

Like I said before, I'll ignore the personal attack.

1. This discrepancy was a lie - a calculated lie. This was not a small or insignificant matter - the document thought that it was important enough to include the fact that Linda lied. Further down in the document, the matter is discussed further as in ...

And on what information are you claiming it was calculated? Where you there? And if so, any idea what was said to her after the hearing?

 

[Jimlarmore]

Based on your experience, what is the likelihood of all six lying? Remember, this does not include the three or four allegations that came from Virginia, at least one of which was a minor. And it does not include the eyewitness account of the lady who caught Tommy in a house with a boy.

Well as usual it depends a lot on the situation at the time. For instance, the fact that it has taken 20 or more years for many of these alledged victims to come foward will automatically make them suspected of being less tha n totally honest. Also, the fact that this whole mess is now coming to light aka the jump on the band wagon syndrome , whether it's true or not comes into play. Based on that, all of some of these may indeed be lying.
The independent cases in Virginia are a totaly different ball of wax unless they are part of this band wagon frenzy playing itself out now.

Recently, ( past few years ) there were several cases where Catholic priests were accused of being pedophiles by now grown men coming foward. In some cases they were determined after very lengthy interogations and polygraphs to be legit and in some cases they were clearly false claims. Some folks see dollar signs and are completely willing to lie to have a shot at a small fortune gained in a letigation case.

If it was me doing the investigation on this I wouldn't take anyone serious coming foward after this long until I got a chance to look real deep into the specifics of the case. Victims of these crimes remember incredibly well many small details of the event that in some cases can be verified. A valid case will all of a sudden come together and scream validity to a good investigator. False ones start to stink real fast upon close examination. Also, victims for the most part don't want to come foward in the first place because of the reasons I posted way back in the earlier posts on this.

My way of thinking on this is if Tommy had a problem in the past with this he needs to come clean and admit it. I think his apology to Clem is good. There may be some other things he needs to do as well. He needs to make as many provisions for making it right as possible. I understand he's made it right with God and his family. The Lord is very capable of delivering him of any problem he may have had. I know I have no room to cast a stone at Tommy myself. Not that I ever was a pedophiliac but I certainly have been guilty of sexual sin in my past life. The Lord has deliverd me from that now for many years and He has forgiven me. We need to do the same thing for Tommy. Now I understand if mom's and dad's may feel uncomfortable having their little ones around him from here on out.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[steffanphilip]

And on what information are you claiming it was calculated? Where you there? And if so, any idea what was said to her after the hearing?

The judge wrote this about Linda. I have not added a single word. Please refer to the highlights.

I have included the text from pages 32 and 33.

In addition, there is discrepancy in the testimony of Linda Shelton. She stated she did not
receive royalty payments for the CDs (Tr. pp. 595, 617) and later admitted that she did (Tr. p.
619). The CD admitted into evidence, entitled “I think About Grace”, has a copyright mark on
it. (Applicant’s Ex. No. 24). Broadcast Music Incorporated, a private company unaffiliated with
applicant, licenses her songs. (Tr. pp. 617-620). The songs on the CD belong to Linda, and were
copyrighted by her in 2001. (Tr. pp. 620-623). Linda insisted that the (800) area code, toll free
telephone number is strictly for prayer requests (Tr. p. 608, 612); however, it is the number listed
on the inside label of her CD that was admitted into evidence. The (800) telephone number is
listed for ordering additional CDs. The outside label had the (618) area code telephone number
listed with the address of applicant. Applicant’s Fall/Winter 2001-2002 newsletter has an
advertisement for Linda Shelton’s new CD, “I Think About Grace.” The advertisement has the
toll free number listed for orders. (Intervenor’s Ex. No. 8; Applicant’s Ex. No. 24; Tr. pp. 644-
645).

 

[Pickle]

For instance, the fact that it has taken 20 or more years for many of these alledged victims to come foward will automatically make them suspected of being less tha n totally honest.

Jim,

I think a statement like this raises some questions about your credibility. Just recently a CNN newscaster came forward and got a priest convicted. It took him years to come forward, I think close to 20.

After talking to the alleged victims, I kind of have a feel for why it takes so long for these guys to come forward.

 

[Rosie55]

Excuse me...Um.....Bonedealer, is it? Do you know me? Better question, do I know you?

There are allegations against Danny. he really needs to answer them. He has taken the role of a leader of God's Children. He is answerable to God and those people whom he leads. Unfortunately, in the case, that means basically all the world to which 3ABN is broadcast. He has put himself in a postition of trusted authority, and he asks his audience to support him with money and viewership. If the allegations are true, he took advantage of that position. He is accountable.

Asking someone about their wrongs done, is not unreasonable nor unchristian. Implying that another child of God is a is than human is. Telling Stormy to "slither back.....' infers he is not humans, since humans don't slither.

Yes, I called Danny a liar, because he lied, straight up! He lied without us even asking him a question, the worse kind of lie. he did not even have to fix his fingers to tell that lie, but he did. No, Tomatoe, not because shortly after he filed for the quickie divorce, but at the time he was telling us that lie about trying to save his marriage, he was filing for that divorce. IOW, he knew he was going to get the divorce when he wrote the lie. Now he has no credibility with me. Especially since, he has still been less than truthful, and his ways less than Christ-like. I hold Danny responsible for his actions and his actions only. I don't know about Linda. She hasn't spoken. When she does speak, is she lies, you can be sure, that I will hold her accountable also. But for now, she ahsn't said a word. Danny is the only one talk, and lying at this point.

those of you who are read or are also member of BSDA know that I maintain that if Linda did everything Danny says she did, he has the responsiblity of self professed "Leader in Christian Living" to handle this situation in a Christ like manner.

I see that Jim is worried about this all being played out in public. He has Danny to thank for that. Had he and the board not made extremely public statements about Linda, trying to prove his case for initially "spiritual adultery"(whatever that is), and later physical adultery(only because the "spiritual" just wasnt' working for him). Then nobody would be asking him questions about anything right now. But somehow he thought he could put Linda on blast, and he stay below the radar. Not workin! Especially since she was under a gag order for at least two and a half years, if not to present.

Now, I told y'all I was trying to stay on the sidelines. You have my position. Leave me be, now! LOL!!!

Princessdi, I think your accusation that Danny has lied should be investigated. When you decided he had lied, did you go to him and ask him about it? Where did Danny lie? on BSDA? or perhaps in a post to you? Could you tell it again only with more specifics?

 

[Pickle]

Princessdi, I think your accusation that Danny has lied should be investigated. When you decided he had lied, did you go to him and ask him about it? Where did Danny lie? on BSDA? or perhaps in a post to you? Could you tell it again only with more specifics?

It has been investigated. I did go to him.

• He lied when he said on October 8, 2006, that he had proof that his name was on the title of Linda's car.
• He lied when on Dec. 31, 2006, he attributed Tommy's alleged health problems to his schedule, his traveling, his commutting, and above all, a ferry.
• He lied on Feb. 15, 2007, when he said that ASI was willing to hear any accusations and complaints.

I can't say for sure that he lied when he used the pregnancy test as proof of adultery, since I don't know for sure that he knew that that meant that either Linda thought that she had gotten pregnant over the telephone, or that she couldn't tell after 15 weeks whether she was pregnant or not.

If Danny was the source of Walt's information in his emails of last May and June, then we have evidence for the following:

• Danny lied when he said he paid off Linda's car.
• Danny lied when he said that he paid off Alyssa's car.
• Danny lied when he said that Linda got everything in the house.

And then we have, also on Walt's testimony:

• Danny lied when he said that the child molestation allegations against Tommy were 30 years old.
• Danny lied when he said they were all due to a feud between tommy and Dryden.