3abn Continued

[Pinkpanther007]

It' a legal avenue for seeking justice as you say. However, sueing for money on cases like this don't usually wind up adding up to much. Cops hands are tied in many cases to be able to file cases. It all comes down to credible evidence. In this case the DA refused to accept charges on this. DA's won't accept charges on cases they don't think they have a very good chance of winning. It's a waste of tax payer's money. Did any of the other victims try to file charges?

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Thomas Roberts of CNN reports his own case. A friend from his early years had parents who went to to cops like you who dropped the case. The boy was embarassed and humiliated because of how you cops handled it. It wasn't until many years later when Roberts came out and exposed what happened that the other man was exonerated. Cops like you are one of the primary reasons why boys can't expose what has happened to them. People like Tommy will go free to ruin lives of children as long as you cops protect them. It is well documented on CNN.

 

[Pickle]

And the "Dr." attached in front of your name in other forums, I take it, refers to an earned/conferred degree?

That you would ask such a thing betrays that you aren't here as an objective individual, but that you are here for one purpose only: To defend Danny at all costs, regardless of how unethical that means might be. The reason I say this is because we have gone round and round on this one at BSDA already, and Danny even mentioned it on his Feb. 15, 2007, broadcast. Personally, I'm not interested in such games.

So, is your name really Steffan Philip? Can you prove that by providing me a phone number that I can call and speak to you, a number which I can find in WhitePages or Google?

If your name is not really Steffan Philip, even though you picked that as a username, why make a big deal about a username I chose at WikiPedia, a name I chose for several reasons, one of which had to do with folks in the NE Mindanao Mission, and another of which had to do with the fact that I do computer repair sometimes around here?

As far as starting your research goes, Roger Clem's phone number is listed in WhitePages.com. Give him a call and see what he says. But note that you can read his 2004 letter to Tommy in its entirety on Save3ABN.com, and you can see a scan of that letter as he provided it.

Try that and then we can talk about more.

 

[steffanphilip]

Thus he still, at least in regards to the allegations concerning Duane, had not done his Christian and board chairman duty of investigating the matter. Yet at the same time he maintains that he has done a thorough investigation, and, according to Jim, is willing to comment on the allegations against Tommy by Duane even without talking to Duane.

Just a quick one on this. You, of course, have contacted Tommy and spoken to him....

 

[Pickle]

3. Do you have the exact communication that Dr.Thompson had with you? If it is an email, please provide the entire, unedited message without any of your comments interspersed.

They have been available on Maritime since November or December, and on BSDA as well.

You can also see them at http://www.Save3ABN.com/ by clicking on "Danny Shelton" in the menu, then "Untruths," and then "Walt Admits."

I find it puzzling that you would know enough to ask me certain questions (showing that either you or someone who is prompting you what to say has read an awful lot), but then not know enough that you had to ask me a question like this. I really can't fathom why there is such a stark inconsistency.

 

[truthmagnet]

The judge wrote this about Linda. I have not added a single word. Please refer to the highlights.

I have included the text from pages 32 and 33.

In addition, there is discrepancy in the testimony of Linda Shelton. She stated she did not
receive royalty payments for the CDs (Tr. pp. 595, 617) and later admitted that she did (Tr. p.
619). The CD admitted into evidence, entitled “I think About Grace”, has a copyright mark on
it. (Applicant’s Ex. No. 24). Broadcast Music Incorporated, a private company unaffiliated with
applicant, licenses her songs. (Tr. pp. 617-620). The songs on the CD belong to Linda, and were
copyrighted by her in 2001. (Tr. pp. 620-623). Linda insisted that the (800) area code, toll free
telephone number is strictly for prayer requests (Tr. p. 608, 612); however, it is the number listed
on the inside label of her CD that was admitted into evidence. The (800) telephone number is
listed for ordering additional CDs. The outside label had the (618) area code telephone number
listed with the address of applicant. Applicant’s Fall/Winter 2001-2002 newsletter has an
advertisement for Linda Shelton’s new CD, “I Think About Grace.” The advertisement has the
toll free number listed for orders. (Intervenor’s Ex. No. 8; Applicant’s Ex. No. 24; Tr. pp. 644-
645).

hmm...so you think people who make CDs review all the fine print put on them? i was in the music business for most of my life and i assure you, those things are the responsibility of other people whose job it is to do the graphics and print work for the labels. that's not something the artist would pay attention to. i don't think she lied. i think she simply answered the questions in a way that she thought was logical. people in the judicial system do make mistakes you know. they don't always have perfect discernment.

 

[Pickle]

Just a quick one on this. You, of course, have contacted Tommy and spoken to him....

I have contacted Tommy I believe more than once, but he has chosen not to reply.

The primary issue, though, has not been Tommy. It has been Danny's covering up of the allegations against Tommy. In dealing with that primary issue, I've had to see if the allegations were credible, and then contact Danny and Walt in regards to how they handled these allegations.

It still remains a fact that even if the allegations are all false, wrong has been done. When you are in charge of a ministry like 3ABN, you don't handle allegations in the way that they have been handled.

 

[steffanphilip]

Steffan? Do you care to comment on Danny's lies? You seem to be quite obsessed with the exposition of lies. Do Danny's lies count? Steffan? They are all documented. . The truth has been found. As in Indiana Jones, some faces will soon be melting.

I have provided documented, unassailable proof about Linda's lies and Gailon's conviction. I still don't see anything even remotely approaching that standard from the "must-tear-down-3ABN" crowd.

Instead, what I see are grasping at straws in leaps of logic in order to try and build a case. I am beginning to suspect that a lot of the email emanating from Pickle is forged, fictional or altered. If that is what you have accepted as proof, then I'm afraid Indiana Jones is not the right term to use - suckers, more like.

I sure hope that truth does finally shine out and "melt" the allegations and lies that have been circulated by your crowd here and elsewhere.

 

[steffanphilip]

My oh my. Where are all these people coming from?

Rosie, Jim, FHB, Bystander, WWJD, Lee, tomatoe (I'm sure I've repeated some names twice in that list), I think it would be best if you guys have a conference with the chief. You know what Jesus said:

"For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace" (Lk. 14:28-32).

It's an impossible situation, and there is no way to win. The best course is to send up the white flag and beg for mercy. And I'm sure there will be as much mercy as possible.

"Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison" (Mt 5:25).

Even if there is criminal activity that makes you afraid to lay down your weapons lest that be revealed, looking at the entire situation, it's the best course for all concerned.

If only Chosroes King of Persia had been willing to call it quits after losing to the emperor of the East, but he just wouldn't. He fought to the end until both Persia and Byzantium were exhausted, and that is one reason that has been given historically for the emergence of Islam out of Arabia in the seventh century. No one was strong enough to keep them in Arabia anymore.

I'm sure we could find lots of examples from history like that. And surely if the Jews had been willing to surrender to the Romans in the first century, Jerusalem would never have been destroyed. And if Zedekiah had surrendered to the Babylonians in the sixth century BC, like Jeremiah told him to, Jerusalem would not have been destroyed then either.

Please, have a pow wow and consider these things. And may peace reign!

I'm sorry, Pickle, but your point was? Stop talking before I do?

But surely you're having a conference right now with noahswife, kevin aka Mr. J, clay, pricess di, gailon, linda, sister, fran, mozart, but my-oh-my, where did you people come from?

 

[StormyOne]

I'm sorry, Pickle, but your point was? Stop talking before I do?

But surely you're having a conference right now with noahswife, kevin aka Mr. J, clay, pricess di, gailon, linda, sister, fran, mozart, but my-oh-my, where did you people come from?

again not paying attention... one more time.... before you arrived here Steffan... I was here... as was Kevin and Di..... so you are not in a position to ask where did we come from... we were already here....

You have done what Columbus did... arrive on a continent, claim he discovered it, yet there were people already there....

As for your other... you think you have proof, you believe what you have... and that works for you.... I don't believe your evidence.... unlike you however it makes me no difference if you don't agree with my position, I am not trying to convert you.... believe who you will and what you will.... just don't try to suggest that your position is the only true position....

 

[steffanphilip]

That you would ask such a thing betrays that you aren't here as an objective individual, .... The reason I say this is because we have gone round and round on this one at BSDA already, and Danny even mentioned it on his Feb. 15, 2007, broadcast.

So, on certain forums, you will pose with a Dr. in front of your name but I cannot ask you about it because?

Your credibility and integrity suffers a hit when it is found out that you misrepresent yourself? And it wasn't discussion was it? Since I don't know about BSDA, I do know about other forums where you've been called on your pretending to have credentials.

Maybe you do have credentials - which is why I asked you about it. The reply would seem to indicate that you pretend to be a Dr. and at other times have pretended to have other credentials? After all, if you pretend once, then you can pretend again...

Personally, I'm not interested in such games.

And yet you play. While I try to speak against words and actions that are trying to tear down 3ABN, you play. Remember the "guessing game" over at BSDA? That was play, wasn't it?

So, is your name really Steffan Philip? Can you prove that by providing me a phone number that I can call and speak to you, a number which I can find in WhitePages or Google?

You see, I made the fundamental mistake of thinking you are Bob Pickle, but you may not be. However, I never claimed to be a Dr. as you did, until you got called on it, on Wikipedia.

But you can't find me, can you? Somehow, somewhere, if you could only find me, and silence me....

As far as starting your research goes, Roger Clem's phone number is listed in WhitePages.com. Give him a call and see what he says. But note that you can read his 2004 letter to Tommy in its entirety on Save3ABN.com, and you can see a scan of that letter as he provided it.

Try that and then we can talk about more.

Actually, no. You still refuse to say whether you have been in contact with the other victims, their families or the two ordaining ministries. Try and answer this without evasion : have you had contact with the victims, their families and the two ordaining ministries.

And applying your own standard, have you contacted Tommy for his side of the story?

 

[Pinkpanther007]

I have provided documented, unassailable proof about Linda's lies and Gailon's conviction. I still don't see anything even remotely approaching that standard from the "must-tear-down-3ABN" crowd.

Instead, what I see are grasping at straws in leaps of logic in order to try and build a case. I am beginning to suspect that a lot of the email emanating from Pickle is forged, fictional or altered. If that is what you have accepted as proof, then I'm afraid Indiana Jones is not the right term to use - suckers, more like.

I sure hope that truth does finally shine out and "melt" the allegations and lies that have been circulated by your crowd here and elsewhere.

Thats OK Steffan, unlike you, I KNOW that the truth will finally shine out and melt the allegations and lies that have been circulated by you and your crowd here and elsewhere. There is not the uncertainty of "hope" in what I know. What I know is absolute. Play your games, laugh your little laughs, show the love and christianity that your type practice, and attack the purveyors of truth and justice. That is the last defense of the indefensible.

 

[steffanphilip]

You can also see them at http://www.Save3ABN.com/ by clicking on "Danny Shelton" in the menu, then "Untruths," and then "Walt Admits."

I guess you really don't understand my request. The reason I ask for your copy of the unedited message is because I can compare it against the original to see how much is changed or removed.

Are you willing to testify (such a pesky word) that you have not altered or removed any content from emails you received before publishing them on the slander site save3abn?

I find it puzzling that you would know enough to ask me certain questions (showing that either you or someone who is prompting you what to say has read an awful lot), I really can't fathom ...

Your "group" must be astonished that other people can actually read and write...

 

[Pickle]

Steffan,

I already told you that I chose that username because I fix computers around here, and because of people in the NE Mindinao Mission.

Why did you ignore my reply and insist on the same old line as both Bystander and FHB from BSDA? Why? Are you that hard up for solid answers?

 

[steffanphilip]

It still remains a fact that even if the allegations are all false, wrong has been done.

At this point, I have to conclude that you have really lost your mind.

 

[steffanphilip]

so you are not in a position to ask ...

Rhetorical question, you understand that, don't you?

This was in reply to Pickle about his line
"My oh my. Where are all these people coming from?"

Didn't like it when I used it?

As for your other... you think you have proof, you believe what you have... and that works for you.... I don't believe your evidence....

I don't have to think up proof - it exists. Available for everyone to see for themselves. Proof that cannot be suppressed or hushed or be alleged.

Your lack of thought is clearly evident in that last sentence.

 

[steffanphilip]

i don't think she lied. i think she simply answered the questions in a way that she thought was logical. .

Not paying attention again? The judge writes that Linda "insisted." I now reflect on that word "insisted" and wonder how and why the judge chose that word. Surely not because she "insisted" on telling a lie?

Of course, we would never allow that kind of lying standard to anybody else. People who answered honestly and logically and had their replies distorted and misrepresented? Noooooo. You would never do that, would you?

 

[steffanphilip]

Thats OK Steffan, unlike you, I KNOW that the truth will finally shine out and melt the allegations and lies that have been circulated by you and your crowd here and elsewhere. There is not the uncertainty of "hope" in what I know. What I know is absolute. Play your games, laugh your little laughs, show the love and christianity that your type practice, and attack the purveyors of truth and justice.

But isn't that what "your" crowd has been doing? Spreading the love and sunshine of "The Televangelist" and "Behind the scenes at 3ABN" and related love and Christianity that your group practices?

But isn't that what you were doing, your group, back on BSDA, playing your guessing games, having your little laughs and attacking those who spoke up against that filth?

 

[Pinkpanther007]

But isn't that what "your" crowd has been doing? Spreading the love and sunshine of "The Televangelist" and "Behind the scenes at 3ABN" and related love and Christianity that your group practices?

But isn't that what you were doing, your group, back on BSDA, playing your guessing games, having your little laughs and attacking those who spoke up against that filth?

We are just normal people saying what we think. You on the other hand represent an organization that "represents Jesus to the entire world." What you represent is making many of us believe that the Televangelist, and the "Behind the scenes at 3ABN" is accurate. Most of us have never seen such hatred and animosity out of "Christ" and would never have thought it possible. So go on and keep proving the Televangelist to be fact. It says that the Televangelist deals with people who disagree with him by painting them as liars instead of dealing with the issues. You, Steffan, have been the poster child for that. It also talks about the Televangelist going back into people's past to find things to bring out against them in case they turn on him. You have set about to prove that Jogen VonBraun is absolutely right. Keep it up buddy. What we could never really depict through saying what we know, you are showing as the 3ABN rep here. Thanks man! Keep it up!!!!

 

[StormyOne]

Rhetorical question, you understand that, don't you?

This was in reply to Pickle about his line
"My oh my. Where are all these people coming from?"

Didn't like it when I used it?

I don't have to think up proof - it exists. Available for everyone to see for themselves. Proof that cannot be suppressed or hushed or be alleged.

Your lack of thought is clearly evident in that last sentence.

I could really care less given you have no clue... your lack of thought has been evident every since your first post...

 

[steffanphilip]

I could really care less given you have no clue... your lack of thought has been evident every since your first post...

But....your lack of thought is really showing....