3abn Continued

[djconklin]

maybe I should start another thread with 3ABN evidence

And how does know what is "fact" vs. innuendo and disnformation?

 

[truthmagnet]

Apparently , from the evidence that can be redily drawn from the above information. The committee consisting of the chairman of the 3ABN board, William Hulsey and Kay Kuzma , did a fact finding investigation and determined it was Linda's descisions that were under scrutiny and wrong. Linda was taken into counsel by this committee and she was asked both verbally and in writing to make different choices and she refused.

In Linda's letter we find no mention of Kay Kuzma or William Hulsey meeting with her or the verbal or written request to make different choices. Why? I think it's clear someone is not being totally honest here.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

the "fact finding committee" was 3abn employees under Danny Shelton's commands; RIGHT? how unbiased is that? does this committee not find anything wrong with Danny hiring private investigators to spy on his wife and others? i'd like to know who paid for these investigators if, as Danny and Linda both said on air that they were paid about the same as a school teacher.

 

[truthmagnet]

Danny Shelton Evidence

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Statement 1​

We do not want our side on the chat rooms, but I do think that you should not
encourage your supporters to get involved in something they know nothing about.
Danny Shelton​

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Hi, my name is Danny Shelton and I work for 3ABN. It's not a credit your Black SDA that it appears to be nothing more than a tabloid gossip page.
Not one of the people that I could see commenting have even attempted to contact me, that I know of, about all the things they are judging me of.
You do have some people in the "know" that you could find out some info from if it means that much to you. Pastor John Lomacang has spent many hours counseling with Linda and me and even made some recommendations to the board about our situation which the 3ABN board took very seriously.
As of late Pastor Mark Finley has counseled with both Linda and Me. He agrees with the decision the board has taken on this issue and so does Pastor John. Several others have also counseled us and all agree with the board's action.
Paula and Curtis have indeed been back to do more programming without me or Linda. Their program stands on it's own.
No one has been hurt like Linda and me have been through this whole situation. We still love each other and spend considerable time together.
This situation at 3ABN cannot be judged by onlookers as though you have the truth. Much of this is so personal you will probably never know what has really happened.
We encourage people not to take sides, except to support the work of God on this earth.
If 3ABN is of God it will continue to bring about good fruit.
If it is of Satan it will bring about bad fruit. You be the judge.
Please continue to pray for both Linda and me as we both want 3ABN to succeed in taking the gospel to the world.
Thanks for listening​

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Statement 2

Danny Shelton Responds to Dr. Arild Abrahamsen (the accused other man - see his statement blow)​

posted on BlackSda.com 07/17/2006​

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Calvin, I'm very disappointed that you would read a letter from this so called Dr.
and support it without even attempting to find out if it is true. This is not the
Christian way. This Dr. knows nothing of me except what Linda has told him. We
have only talked a few minutes throughout this last 2 1/2 years. This letter is a
lie and I'm surprised that you would stake your credibility online to take sides
with them. He and Linda did have an affair. Why do you think that the pastor who
counseled us, John Lomacang, the 3ABN board, including the Illinois Conference Pres.
ect support me. They know things you do not. We are not out to hurt Linda. If you
read the chat rooms it's She, Johann, Arild and Derrell. Not 3ABN people talking
about this situation. Besides we have been divorced for over 2 yrs.
Yes, she doesn't use her real name on your chat room but we know who she is.
The way you are going about this is not Christ like. If you want to know the truth
you are supposed to try to find out. Otherwise it is just gossip. What a shame
that your chatroom is being used to try to destroy the work of the gospel rather
than to spread Jesus to the world. This Dr. does not tell you that he has told John Lomacang,​

Brenda Walsh, and even his own Norwegian Conf. Pres that he, the Dr.,​

believes that Linda is in love with, him, but that he is not in love with her.​

He told this while we were married. He was trying to save his own name. But now, 2 yrs​

after our divorce, he has a lot to gain to try to keep Linda's ministry going. In fact,​

$100,000. In 2004 instead of encouraging Linda to stay with me, They bought a house together. He put up $100,000 and she put up the other approx. $100,000. Yes, the court papers say it is a 10 year loan, but the Dr. knows
that the nearly $250,000 that that 3ABN gave Linda as a separation agreement is
about depleted. Linda has said that she is not going to work. She said, and I
quote, "I'm not going to cook hamburgers the rest of my life." She wants people to
support her financially. The Dr. has to help her in order to get his own money
back. Please call John Lomacang, before you ruin your own credibility and hear another
side of the story.
XXXX or XXXX

Thanks,
Danny
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Shame on you Danny. This letter is so slanderous. I have a question. Danny states that Linda put up $100,000., from moneys she received in a settlement, to buy a house "with the Dr." then Danny infers that this was done "instead of (the Dr.) encouraging her to stay with me?" If she spent money from the settlement, then she was already divorced....????? Right or Wrong?

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Danny Shelton said:

In fact, $100,000. In 2004 instead of encouraging Linda to stay with me, They bought a house together.

That should be very easy to prove then because real estate documents can be verified as to who the purchasers are. If they produce a document that says that she and the Dr. own a house as joint owners he will have a really strong case for the truth of Danny Sheltons view. I will wager that such a document does not exist however.

 

[Jimlarmore]

Danny Shelton said:
That should be very easy to prove then because real estate documents can be verified as to who the purchasers are. If they produce a document that says that she and the Dr. own a house as joint owners he will have a really strong case for the truth of Danny Sheltons view. I will wager that such a document does not exist however.

If I was a betting man I'd take you up on that.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

I am sure you would lose. but consider also that Linda has asked for them to show their evidence. So she is either very dumb or quite sure they have no evidence.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Danny has been asked many times to give his side of the story, but refuses. Linda is right to ask for this information. it is crucial. Another thing that must be considered was told to me by an friend who is a former u.s. Marshall. when determinig giult or innocence you must have 3 elements
a. motive - a reason to commint a criem
b. means - the ability and method and tools to commit a crime
c. oppetunity - time, date and location.


with out all 3 an theroy of guilt for danny or linda falls a part.

 

[Jimlarmore]

I am sure you would lose. but consider also that Linda has asked for them to show their evidence. So she is either very dumb or quite sure they have no evidence.

Didn't you read his two statements above? What he said was that several people in the church including Mark Finley was involved in this. If he said they bought a house together on a public medium like the internet surely he would know if it wasn't the truth someone would call his hand on that. I am sure that this actually happened and she and this doctor are co-owners of this house Danny was speaking of. At any rate here I am again helping keep this mess stirred up like I said I wouldn't do. Weak weak flesh.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Adventist Dissident]

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I am sure that this actually happened and she and this doctor are co-owners of this house Danny was speaking of.

Jim

you've "claim" to have been in law enforcment, yet you don't seem to be following some baisic law enforcement tools, see MY PREVIOUS POST. your thinking is not sound, take the above quote, "you are sure", how do you know that? what documentation do you have as evidence? i'm willing to bet you don have any? You are showing a clear bias infavor of Danny. you are giving him the benifit of the doubt, with out looking at evidence. Not showing good dective skills, the assumption of guilt becuse of who is indorsing danny is not valid. The fact that the dr. may or may not have helped linda is not proof of an affair. It may be a sign that he is a friend and wants to help linda.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

well I would guess the save 3abn website will research the property and show that it is not co-owned by this other guy. Then the Danny Shelton side will say that he is not co-owner but he loaned her the money. Which may or may not have happened but in either case is completely different from saying they bought a house together. To me it speaks of the inflammatory language that Danny Shelton uses.

 

[truthmagnet]

Didn't you read his two statements above? What he said was that several people in the church including Mark Finley was involved in this. If he said they bought a house together on a public medium like the internet surely he would know if it wasn't the truth someone would call his hand on that. I am sure that this actually happened and she and this doctor are co-owners of this house Danny was speaking of. At any rate here I am again helping keep this mess stirred up like I said I wouldn't do. Weak weak flesh.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

before you drag Mark Finley into this i think the facts should be straight. this is how "gossip" gets going. as far as i have read, the only time Mark Finley was involved was by circumstance when he was at that campmeeting where Dr. A & Dr. T had come to try to talk to Danny about some misunderstandings. Dr. T knew the next board meeting was scheduled after the campmeeting so they thought it was a good time to get some things resolved. Before this could happen, both Drs. where thrown off the property by Danny Shelton with threats of calling the law on them if they ever returned. they met Mark Finley, who was scheduled to speak at the campmeeting, in the parking lot and talked briefly with him there whereupon Pastor Finley tried to intervene and bring some resolution to this craziness. when he saw it was futile because there was to be no resolving things, he gave up. as far as i know that is the full extent of Pastor Finley's involvement. if i am incorrect, please enlighten me. God bless.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

before you drag Mark Finley into this i think the facts should be straight. this is how "gossip" gets going. as far as i have read, the only time Mark Finley was involved was by circumstance when he was at that campmeeting where Dr. A & Dr. T had come to try to talk to Danny about some misunderstandings. Dr. T knew the next board meeting was scheduled after the campmeeting so they thought it was a good time to get some things resolved. Before this could happen, both Drs. where thrown off the property by Danny Shelton with threats of calling the law on them if they ever returned. they met Mark Finley, who was scheduled to speak at the campmeeting, in the parking lot and talked briefly with him there whereupon Pastor Finley tried to intervene and bring some resolution to this craziness. when he saw it was futile because there was to be no resolving things, he gave up. as far as i know that is the full extent of Pastor Finley's involvement. if i am incorrect, please enlighten me. God bless.

now you are talking. good call, stick with the facts

 

[truthmagnet]

I've been thinking about this for a bit, and it doesn't sit well with me. My mum is a twin sister, and she has an emotional bond with her twin that, by this view, should be called spiritual adultery. Now I am not saying I believe my mum is guilty of this, I am just testing out the view of "spiritual adultery" to its logical conclusions.

In this 3ABN case, the accusation is on a woman for talking with another man (an outside opinion) who listened and supported her. Well, married people do that all the time when they ring their parents, or siblings, or best-friends. I believe it to be not only common, but healthy to somtimes seek outside advise and support. My point is that the accusation lends itself to be viewed as an excuse.

someone once said to me that "Christian Counseling" is just another word for "Christian Meddling". when it's not kept completely private between the counselor and the party involved, it's incompetent, dispicable, unethical, unprofessional, un-Christian and just plain gossipy. sorry to sound harsh but facts are often harsh. imagine how you would feel if you were in that situation. where you confided in a "Christian Counselor" and they "shared" (gag me) it with others or worse, went public with it. it's just sickening.

 

[DarylFawcett]

Click on the link below for questions given to Linda Shelton which she answered at her own website:

http://www.lindashelton.org/questions.html

 

[freeindeed2]

What a 'great' separation agreement between 3ABN and Linda Shelton!

http://www.lindashelton.org/contract.html

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Click on the link below for questions given to Linda Shelton which she answered at her own website:

http://www.lindashelton.org/questions.html

now those are stright foreward answers. If danny want crediblity he would do the same. instead he plays games games

 

[DarylFawcett]

What a 'great' separation agreement between 3ABN and Linda Shelton!

http://www.lindashelton.org/contract.html

If by "gag order" you mean what a great separation agreement, then yes, what a great "gag order."

 

[freeindeed2]

If by "gag order" you mean what a great separation agreement, then yes, what a great "gag order."

That's exactly what it is.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

That's exactly what it is.

i think linda is smart to ask for proof and expose them for what they are. it put up or shut up. She is going "all in" on this move.

 

[DarylFawcett]

I can't blame her as it is her Christian reputation that is at stake here. Danny Shelton's is also at stake here, and he knows it as well as Linda does.