3abn Continued

[noahswife]

this has been clear from the start . . . linda was receiving marriage counseling from the person who was treating her son, that does seem to be an unethical arrangement, what type of emotional connection was developed during the time all those phone calls were being made, where might it have lead had no one made it a point to counsel linda to end the relationship . . . it seems as if there were other options open to her in regard to nathan's treatment, including continuing with the doc in another country . . . but the board and others told her that her relationship the way it had developed had to end, if it didn't then there would be consequences . . . it seems as if those who would defend linda are willing to excuse anything she might have done that could even be perceievd as being inappropriate much less be over the line into the definite inappropriate realm . . . linda made her choices and then didn't like the results and didn't want to have to accept them . . .

just 2 cents from the bonedealer

Interesting first posts, bonedealer,

You seem to believe quite a few things which is your right to do. Let's explore a couple of other things.

1. Do you believe that in fact Linda committed actual physical adultery?

2. Do you believe Tommy Shelton has engaged in inappropriate sexually oriented behavior with children or anyone?

3. Do you believe Linda had the right following Danny divorcing her to associate with whoever she wanted and where ever she wanted?

4. Do you believe everything Danny Shelton says is true?

5. Do you believe that there is any possible conflict of interest for Danny Shelton to be the president of 3abn and also a voting member of the board?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

this has been clear from the start . . . linda was receiving marriage counseling from the person who was treating her son, that does seem to be an unethical arrangement, what type of emotional connection was developed during the time all those phone calls were being made, where might it have lead had no one made it a point to counsel linda to end the relationship . . . it seems as if there were other options open to her in regard to nathan's treatment, including continuing with the doc in another country . . . but the board and others told her that her relationship the way it had developed had to end, if it didn't then there would be consequences . . . it seems as if those who would defend linda are willing to excuse anything she might have done that could even be perceievd as being inappropriate much less be over the line into the definite inappropriate realm . . . linda made her choices and then didn't like the results and didn't want to have to accept them . . .

just 2 cents from the bonedealer

(great name by they way) I agreed with up to a point. you are focusing on the true crux of the problem . what happened to start the problem. was anything done by linda with the dr. to be unfaithful in her relationship with danny. I have yet to see anything produced by danny to verify the claim? If he can back it up fine. It is sad, but that is the consequence. but he offer not proof. Just a vague nebulous statement. "Linda was asked to give up a relationship with the DR and she refused." There is a lot that can be read into that statement. it never specifically says what the nature of the relationship was. it is stated as inapproprate and we are left to our imagination to draw what the means. Most people think SEX. but when the facts come out it is impossible for that to have taken place. they were on 2 different continents.

So what evidence do we have. Linda on the phone with the DR. That is all prior to divorce. After divorce LInda is with those who side with he and they help her by a house. so she can have place to live. that is all.

Danny would have us believe the were talking inappropriately. but nothing was ever said about the conversation. what was going on. were they saying I love you, having phone sex? We have no information on that from Danny's side. the inference of something wrong.

There have been accusations of traveling together prior to divorce, but no proof. Hearsay and gossip.
So what is it we know for sure Linda took her son to Norway to get help for drug addiction, part of the process was parental involvement, that is what we know for sure about why linda was on the phone. That is all.

 

[Jimlarmore]

There have been accusations of traveling together prior to divorce, but no proof. Hearsay and gossip.
So what is it we know for sure Linda took her son to Norway to get help for drug addiction, part of the process was parental involvement, that is what we know for sure about why linda was on the phone. That is all.

I've come into some first hand information from someone very close to Danny and 3ABN. They contacted me I didn't go after them.

It seems the reason Danny has not been so forth coming in telling everything is that he loved Linda to a fault. Even now, defaming Linda to him is like taking a knife and cutting himself open. He put her on a pedestal and dooted over her to the point of making friends witnessing this nauseas at times. True deep love never dies and this is all killing Danny. The affair, sexual or not, that Linda had didn't develope over nite, Danny worked very hard right up to the very end to try to reconcile this marriage but Linda went her own way because she always got her way before. Danny even went over and built a porch on her house after she moved out.

The board made more than one attempt to get her to stop what she was doing. I have received an e-mail from Walt Thompson the president of the board and he is very clear that Linda was given all the opportunity in the world to stop what she was doing. Let's face it folks Linda was a spoiled brat who always got her way and thought she was above the actions of the board. I'm sure she was shocked when this all happened but since then has determined to take Danny Shelton and 3ABN down. As a matter of fact one of the folks I have been communicating with told me that they were in the room when Linda told Danny she would do anything she could or say anything to bring him and 3ABN down.

So that is where we are really at now. I hope all of the lurker's who read all of this reads this and fully understands the nature of all of this. These attackers are not about seeking justice at all. They are about persuing personal glory and stirring up a hornet's nest of contention and hate. The ultimate end will be the destruction of 3ABN. I encourage all of those who were regular donators that has stopped their donations to rethink that decision. Look at what 3ABN does, think about how you are blessed by it's programming. Now compare how you have been feeling about all of this mess. Confused, slightly depressed etc, right? Which one is of God and which one is not? Think about it.

I've been put down for blaming the enemy for all of this but think about the way this is all going then think about 3ABN and what it does. If you can't see who is really behind all of this then you are being intentionally blind. I'm sure satan is laughing at all of this and is seething with self gratification. Let's don't let him win this one. Danny Shelton is painted as the bad guy here because he has been ( comparatively speaking ) the most silent in all of this. Now that I know how he really treated Linda in thier marriage I understand why he has not been about putting her down any more than he has.

I've seen this many times in a split up and divorce. The woman many times is believed over the man in all of the finger pointing. The woman is given prejudicial preference over a man to take custody of children and in most cases the lion's share of the joint possessions. From what I have read so far I think Linda got treated fairly monetarily and the board was right in what they did.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[StormyOne]

Jim said:

I've come into some first hand information from someone very close to Danny and 3ABN. They contacted me I didn't go after them.

that is not first hand info.... that is 2nd or third hand....

Even now, defaming Linda to him is like taking a knife and cutting himself open.

He started the defaming.... so you are telling us he engages in self-injurious behavior?

The board made more than one attempt to get her to stop what she was doing. I have received an e-mail from Walt Thompson the president of the board and he is very clear that Linda was given all the opportunity in the world to stop what she was doing. Let's face it folks Linda was a spoiled brat who always got her way and thought she was above the actions of the board. I'm sure she was shocked when this all happened but since then has determined to take Danny Shelton and 3ABN down. As a matter of fact one of the folks I have been communicating with told me that they were in the room when Linda told Danny she would do anything she could or say anything to bring him and 3ABN down.

well its obvious that where ever the defenders of Danny are the spin is the same.... you should be believed because?

 

[Pickle]

It seems the reason Danny has not been so forth coming in telling everything is that he loved Linda to a fault. Even now, defaming Linda to him is like taking a knife and cutting himself open.

I think at this point we can all agree that that is a bald-faced lie. It has been maybe six weeks since Linda publicly requested that all the evidence against her be brought forward. It was this very issue that helped kill the ASI negotiations of November 12, 2006-January 4, 2007: Linda wanted full disclosure and Danny wanted everything kept secret.

As far as defaming goes, he should be throughly autopsied as many times as he has already defamed her citing evidence he refuses to disclose. How many times has he trashed her on the air, on the phone, and in email? How many times? Does he think we're that gullible as to believe that that is why he doesn't reveal his evidence, that it just kills him to defame Linda?

The board made more than one attempt to get her to stop what she was doing.

And I think we can all agree at this point that this is a bald-faced lie as well. If the very first board meeting to take up this issue occurred on May 30, 2004, and if that board meeting terminated her, then there was really no attempt by the board to get her to stop. No attempt whatsoever.

I'm sure she was shocked when this all happened but since then has determined to take Danny Shelton and 3ABN down.

Sorry. She is not determined to take 3ABN down. Don't let Danny et. al. deceive you in that regard.

The ultimate end will be the destruction of 3ABN.

Not if I have anything to say and do about it.

Jim, it looks like you have chosen to get only one side of things and believe that. When you say that you now know how Danny treated Linda, that's the impression you give. How do you know you've been told the truth when it has been proven that Danny does not tell the truth?

 

[Rosie55]

I think at this point we can all agree that that is a bald-faced lie. It has been maybe six weeks since Linda publicly requested that all the evidence against her be brought forward. It was this very issue that helped kill the ASI negotiations of November 12, 2006-January 4, 2007: Linda wanted full disclosure and Danny wanted everything kept secret.

As far as defaming goes, he should be throughly autopsied as many times as he has already defamed her citing evidence he refuses to disclose. How many times has he trashed her on the air, on the phone, and in email? How many times? Does he think we're that gullible as to believe that that is why he doesn't reveal his evidence, that it just kills him to defame Linda?


And I think we can all agree at this point that this is a bald-faced lie as well. If the very first board meeting to take up this issue occurred on May 30, 2004, and if that board meeting terminated her, then there was really no attempt by the board to get her to stop. No attempt whatsoever.


Sorry. She is not determined to take 3ABN down. Don't let Danny et. al. deceive you in that regard.


Not if I have anything to say and do about it.

Jim, it looks like you have chosen to get only one side of things and believe that. When you say that you now know how Danny treated Linda, that's the impression you give. How do you know you've been told the truth when it has been proven that Danny does not tell the truth?

Pickle, I do not see any evidence for you saying these things are lies. I did see StormyOne ask for "first hand" evidence...where is yours?

It is because you don't have any. You would do better not to post on here if we all must have only first-hand evidence.

But guess what! If someone came on here with first-hand evidence you and StormyOne wouldn't believe it either!

So who loses in all this? You do.

 

[noahswife]

Jim,

Now that you have what you have said is "some first hand information", would you be willing to answer the same questions i asked stefanphillip?


You seem to believe quite a few things which is your right to do. Let's explore a couple of other things.

1. Do you believe that in fact Linda committed actual physical adultery?

2. Do you believe Tommy Shelton has engaged in inappropriate sexually oriented behavior with children or anyone?

3. Do you believe Linda had the right following Danny divorcing her to do associate with whoever she wanted and where ever she wanted?

4. Do you believe everything Danny Shelton says is true?

5. Do you believe that there is any possible conflict of interest for Danny Shelton to be the president of 3abn and also a voting member of the board?

 

[Pickle]

Pickle, I do not see any evidence for you saying these things are lies.

Please be specific regarding what you want to see evidence for. Which specific thing did I say that you want to see evidence for?

 

[noahswife]

Rosie,

Are you ignoring my questions because you do not want to answer them? You certainly have seen them. I dont expect you to have first hand knowledge of these matters. Are you claiming you do?

I am interested in what you think which is something we can discuss.

 

[StormyOne]

Pickle, I do not see any evidence for you saying these things are lies. I did see StormyOne ask for "first hand" evidence...where is yours?

It is because you don't have any. You would do better not to post on here if we all must have only first-hand evidence.

But guess what! If someone came on here with first-hand evidence you and StormyOne wouldn't believe it either!

So who loses in all this? You do.

I don't recall asking for 1st hand evidence... I did say that Jim's claim that he had first hand info was not first hand.... as for believing those who support Danny, naw I don't believe them... they protest too much and the foundation of their protests is the initial lie Danny told....

 

[Jimlarmore]

You seem to believe quite a few things which is your right to do. Let's explore a couple of other things.

1. Do you believe that in fact Linda committed actual physical adultery?

Honestly, in my gut I believe she did. After getting more information from some of the ones who are very close to Linda and Danny recently. Yes, I do believe she did. However, no one knows for sure exept for the actual players and God Himself.

2. Do you believe Tommy Shelton has engaged in inappropriate sexually oriented behavior with children or anyone?

I don't think it was with children at this point. Clem was 20 when this alledged affair happened which is well over the age of being a child. He seemed completely ready to sluff off the incident until Bob Pickle encouraged him to come foward. I find it interesting that Clem conveniently left out his age when this happened. Also, according to what Dr. Thompson has told me the whole church of God was behind Tommy. Again, I don't know what the real truth is on this yet. I have suggested Tommy take a polygraph to clear his name but I understand he's in a pretty deep depression right now over all of this mess.

3. Do you believe Linda had the right following Danny divorcing her to associate with whoever she wanted and where ever she wanted?

After the divorce she is obviously free to associate with whomever she wants.

4. Do you believe everything Danny Shelton says is true?

I have no valid reason not to at this point.

5. Do you believe that there is any possible conflict of interest for Danny Shelton to be the president of 3abn and also a voting member of the board?

Danny Shelton's position at 3ABN is president. I'm not sure how the organization is set up but if the president according to the stated structure of the organization is a member of the board then he should have voting previledges.

Why is this now becoming an issue?

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Pickle]

Jim,

1. When prior to their divorce do you believe that Linda committed fornication?

2. Why do you think 16-year-old Roger Clem was not a child? Why do you think 14-year-old Brad Dunning was not a child? Why don't you think the 8-year-old son of Mom in Pain #1 was a child?

 

[Jimlarmore]

Jim said:
that is not first hand info.... that is 2nd or third hand....

Hi Clay,
As an ex-cop I understand fully what hear-say information is. The first hand information I have received was from someone who actually witnessed a conversation between Danny and Linda. If I was in fact doing a criminal investigation on this, the particular part of the statement I got could be used in a court of law as a witness statement. This is not hear-say or gossip. Now some of the things I said did come from hear-say but not much. Most of the information was from eye witnesses to what actually went down as this all unfolded.

well its obvious that where ever the defenders of Danny are the spin is the same.... you should be believed because?

I haven't asked anyone to believe me. I have asked for sane and cooler minds to prevail and I would ask now for an honest appraisal of all of this mess from everyone who has been following it. Listen to your heart and gut on this stuff. What is your heart really telling you now folks? Look at 3ABN and what it represents an does. Look at Bob Pickle and Mr. Joy along with all their other supporters and see what they represent and do. If anything I hope the majority will eventually see thru the confusion this has caused and know that the real goal here is to bring down 3ABN. You can bet your bottom dollar that save3abn is not really wanting to actually save 3ABN.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Jimlarmore]

Jim,

1. When prior to their divorce do you believe that Linda committed fornication?

That's really none of my business and I really don't want to dig into their family laundry that deep and neither should you. However, from the communications I have had with some who were there when this all went down, including Dr. Thompson , she was intimately involved in an activity that brought her into strong suspicion for having an illicit sexual affair. She was asked to stop this activity and she refused. As a matter of fact more than once was she asked and she refused each and every time. This is what got her fired and ultiimately her continued activity got her divorced. Danny tried right to the end to reconcile the marriage but she was going to do what she was going to do, no matter what. Now, she's upset for the consequences and outcome and has the vengeance of a woman scorned?

2. Why do you think 16-year-old Roger Clem was not a child? Why do you think 14-year-old Brad Dunning was not a child? Why don't you think the 8-year-old son of Mom in Pain #1 was a child?

According to Dr. Thompson Clem said he was 20 when this happened and if you know this to be a fact you are viciously spreading a lie. Dr. Thompson also told me about a woman who was threatening to black male Tommy over her son. It seems just being around her son was enough for her to think something wrong may have happened. Now she wants Tommy to pay for her son's college education. This sort of stuff is crazy folks. I'm all about truth and justice. If Tommy Shelton is actually guilty of pedophilia then he needs to be brought to justice. However, if he is innocent and being falsely accused , then this needs to stop. Some like to jump on the band wagon and trump up false charges when it seems like the vulnerability is there. It's like an exposed neck and juggular to a predator. I hope Tommy will take a polygraph to clear his name, I would if it was me.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[StormyOne]

Hi Clay,
As an ex-cop I understand fully what hear-say information is. The first hand information I have received was from someone who actually witnessed a conversation between Danny and Linda. If I was in fact doing a criminal investigation on this, the particular part of the statement I got could be used in a court of law as a witness statement. This is not hear-say or gossip. Now some of the things I said did come from hear-say but not much. Most of the information was from eye witnesses to what actually went down as this all unfolded.




I haven't asked anyone to believe me. I have asked for sane and cooler minds to prevail and I would ask now for an honest appraisal of all of this mess from everyone who has been following it. Listen to your heart and gut on this stuff. What is your heart really telling you now folks? Look at 3ABN and what it represents an does. Look at Bob Pickle and Mr. Joy along with all their other supporters and see what they represent and do. If anything I hope the majority will eventually see thru the confusion this has caused and know that the real goal here is to bring down 3ABN. You can bet your bottom dollar that save3abn is not really wanting to actually save 3ABN.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

it is hearsay.... which is different from 1st hand info.... your claim to be an ex-cop does not make the info you share more believable... nor does it mean that you are completely correct... after all cops are humans and humans can be wrong... all 3rd party conversations are hearsay.... and that is what you have shared.... if you were doing a criminal investigation and presented this info as your strongest evidence your case would be in trouble.....

thanks for sharing it... I don't share your opinion....

 

[tall73]

It is important to remember that both Linda and Danny are real people with feelings. If we are to help them it won't be by publicly disgracing them, but by interceding for them in private.

Woobadooba, Linda was already publicly shamed and dismissed and he still won't produce the evidence. Until he does I will not take his side.

As to trying to get rid of 3ABN I encouraged my churches to lobby (successfully) to get 3ABN in our area on cable networks, made up an advertising campaign for our area, and promoted 3ABN more than once at public events. I am not against 3ABN.

However, the reputation of my local church is now tied to that network. And I think they should come forward with the facts. They put out letters to members of my church who have donated over the years, and put stuff on the air, and my members ask me about this. I can't ignore it if I want to. They need to clear it up. The only way they can do that for me is to bring forward the evidence they have against Linda which started this whole issue.

 

[Rosie55]

Woobadooba, Linda was already publicly shamed and dismissed and he still won't produce the evidence. Until he does I will not take his side.

As to trying to get rid of 3ABN I encouraged my churches to lobby (successfully) to get 3ABN in our area on cable networks, made up an advertising campaign for our area, and promoted 3ABN more than once at public events. I am not against 3ABN.

However, the reputation of my local church is now tied to that network. And I think they should come forward with the facts. They put out letters to members of my church who have donated over the years, and put stuff on the air, and my members ask me about this. I can't ignore it if I want to. They need to clear it up. The only way they can do that for me is to bring forward the evidence they have against Linda which started this whole issue.

tall73, 3abn will come forward with the truth eventually. In talking with them, they are unable to present evidence because their attorney's have asked them not to. I am sure you can understand this if you have been involved in any legal matters.

 

[tall73]

this has been clear from the start . . . linda was receiving marriage counseling from the person who was treating her son, that does seem to be an unethical arrangement....

Family counselors often deal with multiple members of a family to resolve family issues. I don't see that as unethical at all, and certainly not adultery.

If they have something more, then painful or not they should come forward. She has asked that they come forward. She has asked that they provide evidence for their charges. The protecting Linda thing is just not an excuse anymore. If they were worried about Linda's reputation they would not have left everyone assuming the worst to start with.

Beyond that I don't know what Danny did, didn't do, thought about doing etc. The televangelist, etc. as I said early in this thread and at BSDA, was an embarrasment. Fictional accounts with vague accusations are in poor taste

I also noted some time back, also at BSDA, that Linda may have done something inappropriate. It is a possibility. Some didn't even want to consider that option. But it is something that must be demonstrated.

Danny made allegations. Danny claims to have evidence. Danny hasn't shown that evidence. That is where we are at.

 

[tall73]

tall73, 3abn will come forward with the truth eventually. In talking with them, they are unable to present evidence because their attorney's have asked them not to. I am sure you can understand this if you have been involved in any legal matters.

I await that day.

However, I do not think legal matters take precendence over moral obligations. Danny publicly accused her of an inappropriate relationship. That is not something you wait on lawyers to allow you to substantiate. This is his ex-wife. She spent years with him. She may or may not have done something inappropriate, but it is completely unreasonable to float these accusations and not put the public evidence when asked for it.

 

[Jimlarmore]

As a criminal investigator I was about finding eye witnesses to support possible criminal charges to be filed. In the rules of evidence that is similar in any court in the land this statement could be admissable in a court of law if they signed an affidavit/witness statement on this event.

I remember on one occasion a man made a terroristic threat on another man's life. He made this statement in the presence of two other people. In the process of investigating this I interviewed one of the two men who heard this man's threat. Because he was an eye witnesses and the threat occurred in his presence the statement I collected was admitted into evidence at the trial later on.

You are wrong Clay. My post on what was said was indeed hear-say but the statment this person made to me was not. Whether or not you choose to believe me is your decision.

God Bless
Jim Larmore