30 million dollar lawsuit filed for Ashlii Babbitt killing at Capitol

[Hans Blaster]

Actually objections were being heard for the counting before the hall was cleared out, which I understand was before the shooting. If anything the lawful objection was halted.

The precise nature of the official business on the floor is irrelevant. They could have been voting on renaming post offices. It wouldn't have affected anything.

All police officers have a duty to protect others, including the three officers near Ashlii who did nothing to try and prevent the doors being broken.

If you've seen enough video to know that, you also know they had backup coming up the stairs behind the rioters.

But all that is irrelevant as to when an officer is allowed to shoot.

So first a few sentences of irrelevancy, seems like an attempted distraction.

As per Capitol police rules, which are typical, there must be imminent danger before shooting.

What does it say about mobs? About protection of members of Congress? You seem to have their rules and procedures at your fingers.

That means someone points a gun at you or they rush you and get close enough so they could take your weapon. This was not the case, not even close. Even when you are rushed, as was that Minneapolis cop in the car when an Australian woman ran up so close to him, it was deemed not just a bad shooting, but the officer was criminally charged, convicted, and imprisoned. As I mentioned, the lieutenant (now promoted to captain) lied,

Lied about what?

it would be reasonable for him to assume he would be going to prison, and that explains his falsely claiming people were shooting at him and others. Those who covered up his lie also should be criminally charged.

Wasn't this already covered about the radio call?

 

[Valletta]

Its interesting how all the "conservative" rationales re gun rights and self defense go out the window when the invading mob is Trump fanatics.


They are "fanatics" if they are Trump supporters, but peace loving innocents if they are aligned with the left. So therefore Trump supporters get what they deserve and those on the left don't get charged. That's called a two tiered justice system. All humans have rights, and a cop gunning down an unarmed person at fifteen feet who is not coming towards him is a bad shooting, period. That's why the cop lied and said people were shooting at "us," because he could be expected to go to prison.

 

[Bradskii]

Actually objections were being heard for the counting before the hall was cleared out, which I understand was before the shooting. If anything the lawful objection was halted. All police officers have a duty to protect others, including the three officers near Ashlii who did nothing to try and prevent the doors being broken. But all that is irrelevant as to when an officer is allowed to shoot. As per Capitol police rules, which are typical, there must be imminent danger before shooting.

Ye gods and little fishes...how 'imminent' do you want the danger to be? This was possibly one of the last doors to be breached that would have given the mob access to your elected officials. What's the guy meant to do? Ask politely that they turn around and go home? Take a few selfies and have a joke about it? They are armed for a reason. To prevent people getting to the people they are sworn to protect. That only one person was shot is nothing short of a miracle.

As well as thoughts and prayers for the woman I hope you gave thanks that it didn't turn into a bloodbath.

 

[iluvatar5150]

They are "fanatics" if they are Trump supporters, but peace loving innocents if they are aligned with the left. So therefore Trump supporters get what they deserve and those on the left don't get charged. That's called a two tiered justice system.

Yes, it's all a double standard that benefits the left. Your guys got the short end of the stick. It's not a totally reasonable and foreseeable outcome from the actions of those on your side. It's sad that the "party of personal responsibility" has come to this.

All humans have rights, and a cop gunning down an unarmed person at fifteen feet who is not coming towards him is a bad shooting, period.

Your perpetually dishonest spin doesn't change that facts that are visible to the rest of us.

That's why the cop lied and said people were shooting at "us," because he could be expected to go to prison.

For at least the third time, your own source said it was the dispatcher who got it wrong. Why do you keep ignoring that point? Because it undermines your narrative just like all of the other things that you ignore?

 

[Bradskii]

All humans have rights, and a cop gunning down an unarmed person at fifteen feet who is not coming towards him is a bad shooting, period.

Again, the mob is deep inside the Capitol. It's effectively the last line of defence. Once they're through that door there is either a mass shooting or they get access to the Congressmen and women. And she was armed. The guy who shot her didn't know that but there was no way he was going to take a chance that some of them were carrying all sorts of weapons

What the mob was doing was criminally insane. Attacking armed men. Trying to physically get to the elected officials. Inside the Capitol! You can see the shock that some of them exhibited when the shot was fired. Almost 'Oh gee. This is actually serious.' What in blue blazes did they expect?

 

[Valletta]

Again, the mob is deep inside the Capitol. It's effectively the last line of defence. Once they're through that door there is either a mass shooting or they get access to the Congressmen and women. And she was armed. The guy who shot her didn't know that but there was no way he was going to take a chance that some of them were carrying all sorts of weapons

What the mob was doing was criminally insane. Attacking armed men. Trying to physically get to the elected officials. Inside the Capitol! You can see the shock that some of them exhibited when the shot was fired. Almost 'Oh gee. This is actually serious.' What in blue blazes did they expect?

We're talking about one cop and one murder, not your spin on the "mob" while mobs on the left are characterized as mostly peaceful. The cop panicked, and a tragedy occurred. It was clearly a bad shooting. And now we have a recording where he lied about being shot at.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Almost 'Oh gee. This is actually serious.' What in blue blazes did they expect?

Honestly, that reaction is indicative of my opinion of a lot of TrumpFans: fervently, violently committed to a mind-bogglingly stupid idea without having given it more than a half second of consideration until the consequences punch them in the face. Ashlii Babbit shouldn't be up for a Darwin Award. She should be up for a Herman Cain award.

We're talking about one cop and one murder, not your spin on the "mob" while mobs on the left are characterized as mostly peaceful. The cop panicked, and a tragedy occurred. It was clearly a bad shooting.

Yay, more spin.

And now we have a recording where he lied about being shot at.

For the 4th? 5th? time, no we don't.

 

[Bradskii]

We're talking about one cop and one murder, not your spin on the "mob" while mobs on the left are characterized as mostly peaceful. The cop panicked, and a tragedy occurred. It was clearly a bad shooting. And now we have a recording where he lied about being shot at.

Why on earth are you putting scare quotes around mob? People broke into the Capitol. Some of those who reached one door away from elected officials, who were in actual fear for their lives, were trying to break down the door. Guarded by armed men. Some of them, at least one, had a weapon. What collective noun do you think would be appropriate? A stupidity of people? A moronic of individuals? An imbicile of voters?

 

[stevil]

Why on earth are you putting scare quotes around mob? People broke into the Capitol. Some of those who reached one door away from elected officials, who were in actual fear for their lives, were trying to break down the door. Guarded by armed men. Some of them, at least one, had a weapon. What collective noun do you think would be appropriate? A stupidity of people? A moronic of individuals? An imbicile of voters?

It was a collection of FBI and Antifa in red MAGA hats wasn't it?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Why on earth are you putting scare quotes around mob? People broke into the Capitol. Some of those who reached one door away from elected officials, who were in actual fear for their lives, were trying to break down the door. Guarded by armed men. Some of them, at least one, had a weapon. What collective noun do you think would be appropriate? A stupidity of people? A moronic of individuals? An imbicile of voters?

A murder of MAGAdonians?

(FWIW, I do actually think this situation is tragic since a woman died because she fell for Trump's con game. But the joke was right there.)

 

[Valletta]

Why on earth are you putting scare quotes around mob? People broke into the Capitol. Some of those who reached one door away from elected officials, who were in actual fear for their lives, were trying to break down the door. Guarded by armed men. Some of them, at least one, had a weapon. What collective noun do you think would be appropriate? A stupidity of people? A moronic of individuals? An imbicile of voters?

More deflection away from the bad shooting.

 

[Belk]

More deflection away from the bad shooting.

Actual investigators disagree with your assessment.

Department of Justice Closes Investigation into the Death of Ashli Babbitt

www.justice.gov

 

[Bradskii]

More deflection away from the bad shooting.

Deflection? A deflection? Good grief, I just explained what she was doing. She literally took a knife to a gun fight. Now why would she have that on her? What on earth did she think it might come in handy for? Carving her initials on Pence's office door? Doing some work on a broken nail that she got busting down doors?

What do you honestly think these mind numbingly stupid people were actually trying to do? Any idea? Got a few thoughts on that you can share?

 

[7thKeeper]

And now we have a recording where he lied about being shot at.

Considering how you obviously choose to ignore your own source with this claim, the only suitable response is:

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

This isn't a mistake nor a misread at this point. You are willfully and knowingly deceiving others. Liar.