3 Questions

[EmSw]

Yes.

Yes.

No.

I appreciate your answers Marvin.

 

[Albion]

What is the point in continuing to word the inquiry as "What do Calvinists...?" Either predestination is true and scriptural or it's not.

It does indeed appear as though the point of the OP is to pick a fight with Calvin, Calvinism, or Calvinists, according to some definition accepted by the writer but which isn't clear and may be either correct or incorrect.

 

[EmSw]

What is the point in continuing to word the inquiry as "What do Calvinists...?" Either predestination is true and scriptural or it's not.

Okay, if you feel left out, I will question it just for you.

1. According to Albion's thought, does predestination exist?

2. According to Albion's thought, did God predestine everything?

3. According to Albion's thought, does God's predestination change?

 

[Albion]

I do not feel left out.

I wanted to know why "Calvinists" is always your focus in these posts and not the alleged subject, predestination.

 

[EmSw]

I do not feel left out.

I wanted to know why "Calvinists" is always your focus in these posts and not the alleged subject, predestination.

Can you separate the two?

 

[Albion]

Can you separate the two?

Absolutely. But that's not the whole of the issue. First, it would be necessary to know what "Calvinist" means or is supposed to mean in this discussion.

I think I've shown it's the predestination Calvinists believe.

 

[nobdysfool]

This is the way it should be asked:

Is there such a thing as predestination?

Did God predestine everything?

Does God's predestination change?

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[EmSw]

This is the way it should be asked:

Is there such a thing as predestination?

Did God predestine everything?

Does God's predestination change?

..

Do I not have the choice to freely word my questions as I choose?

 

[Albion]

Do I not have the choice to freely word my questions as I choose?

Do we not have the choice to ask what the meaning of the question is supposed to be?

 

[EmSw]

Absolutely. But that's not the whole of the issue. First, it would be necessary to know what "Calvinist" means or is supposed to mean in this discussion.

To separate predestination from Calvinism, is removing the heart of Calvinism.

 

[EmSw]

Do we not have the choice to ask what the meaning of the question is supposed to be?

You have the choice to freely ask anything you want.

 

[Albion]

To separate predestination from Calvinism, is removing the heart of Calvinism.

What, to you, is the definition of 'Calvinism?'

 

[nobdysfool]

Do I not have the choice to freely word my questions as I choose?

Nobody said you didn't. But your questions, as worded, showed that you had an obvious bias, which meant that you were going to receive some "heat" from the way those questions were asked. And you did, as you rightly should have.

If you wanted a discussion that could have actually had some benefit, my way of asking the questions could have provided that. But you had to put your bias right up front, because you can't stand the idea of a Calvinist being right about anything.

So, just to make sure there is no question where I stand,

Yes, there is predestination,

Yes, God has predestined everything,

No, God's predestination does not change.

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[nobdysfool]

To separate predestination from Calvinism, is removing the heart of Calvinism.

Actually no, it doesn't.

Calvinism is based on the TULIP, and none of the 5 points mention predestination.

This idea of yours, that predestination is the heart of Calvinism, is a fantasy. It is false.

.

 

[EmSw]

What, to you, is the definition of 'Calvinism?'

According to posts from Calvinists on this board, it can be many different things and beliefs.

I would say, Calvinism is the belief everything is predestined, upon which everything is scripted by God.

 

[nobdysfool]

False.

 

[EmSw]

Nobody said you didn't. But your questions, as worded, showed that you had an obvious bias, which meant that you were going to receive some "heat" from the way those questions were asked. And you did, as you rightly should have.

If you wanted a discussion that could have actually had some benefit, my way of asking the questions could have provided that. But you had to put your bias right up front, because you can't stand the idea of a Calvinist being right about anything.

So, just to make sure there is no question where I stand,

Yes, there is predestination,

Yes, God has predestined everything,

No, God's predestination does not change.

.

Now, they weren't so difficult to answer, were they?

I'll tell you what, if nobody else uses the word Calvin, Calvinist, or Calvinism in any discussion on this board, I will refrain from using them also. Do we have a deal?

 

[EmSw]

Actually no, it doesn't.

Calvinism is based on the TULIP, and none of the 5 points mention predestination.

This idea of yours, that predestination is the heart of Calvinism, is a fantasy. It is false.

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TULIP doesn't have a leg to stand on without predestination. Please show me how any of the components have any life without predestination.

 

[EmSw]

False.

I gave my answer freely, and I am sticking with it.

I don't know why predestination gives you so much trouble. It is your very life; everything you think, say, and do depends upon predestination.

 

[nobdysfool]

I can't control what other people do, But you can control what you do. Why don't you concentrate on that and let the other people say what they will.