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You haven't given any evidence to prove that you're right, either.
I never said you did, or could. I said YOU can control what YOU say, and quite frankly, you should.
You can go on believing that fantasy if you want. It falls on you to prove that you're right, because what you say is
Calvinism does not square with any real Calvinist belief. Therefore you are the one out of step and you are the one that must proved the proof of your position, with more than just mindless assertions. Real, substantive proof.
Would controlling what I say make you happy? Why doesn't predestination control what I say? If I am predestined to say what I do, you should gladly accept God's determination for my life. To fight against what I say, is fighting against God's predestination. And as you see, predestination just doesn't sit right with you.
You can't prove something which does not exist. You say predestination exists, therefore, the burden of proof is on you.
You spend an awful lot of time thinking and speaking about something you claim doesn't exist. Since predestination is mentioned in the Bible, it clearly does exist.
Burden of proof is on you to disprove what the Bible says does exist.
To separate predestination from God's Word is to remove the very nature and purpose of all creation from God's eternal plan for the ages.To separate predestination from Calvinism, is removing the heart of Calvinism.
God predestines and then you act accordingly.Does predestination come after the fact? Do I do something and God predestines it? Or, does predestination come before the fact? That is, does God predestine, and then I act accordingly?
I equated your misinterpretation of Calvinism as fatalism.
Here's exactly what you wrote, what I quoted, and what I was responding to--How did I misrepresent Calvinism by ASKING three questions? I wasn't making a statement.
EmSw said:I would say, Calvinism is the belief everything is predestined, upon which everything is scripted by God.
His term "scripted by God" is the key why he believes Calvinism to be fatalism.Here's exactly what you wrote, what I quoted, and what I was responding to--
"I would say, Calvinism is the belief everything is predestined, upon which everything is scripted by God."
If you believe what you wrote there, that's fatalism you're referring to.
You will never get a Calvinist to admit this, but it is perfectly true. In the Bible predestination is always with respect to the perfection of the saints, never to the selection of sinners for salvation.Calvinist predestination is not the predestination of which the Bible speaks.
Read Jesus words in John 10?You will never get a Calvinist to admit this, but it is perfectly true. In the Bible predestination is always with respect to the perfection of the saints, never to the selection of sinners for salvation.
Here's exactly what you wrote, what I quoted, and what I was responding to--
If you believe what you wrote there, that's fatalism you're referring to.
fa•tal•ism (fātˈl-ĭzˌəm)
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- n.
The doctrine that all events are predetermined by fate and are therefore unalterable.- n.
Acceptance of the belief that all events are predetermined and inevitable.
Read Jesus words in John 10?
"Ye believe not because ye are not of my sheep."
Calvinist predestination is not the predestination of which the Bible speaks.
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