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I am happy to hear that the holy spirit came down and gave you several hours of teaching and guidance to understand the bible. In the bible it say s clear "God is not the author of Confusion". 1 corinthians 14:33. Let us hope he coems down a bit more often and teaches us to understand the bible more.peaceful soul said:
"the evil person expresses evil from the evil that is stored in his heart.For from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (luke 6:45, Matthew 12:35)
and jesus said about your holy ghost who came down to teach" be wary of false prophets who come to you in the Guise of sheep while at heart they are voracious wolves." Matthew 7:15
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I have no problem but G-D want us to think about Him exactly like He told us... that He is ONE. Not 3 in 1 or etc..etc.
It is whom (man) that wrote the Bible that make mistakes not G-D. G-D knows that man make mistakes on His word (Injeel) so He sent Us Al-Quran to correct the mistakes.
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It is whom (man) that wrote the Bible that make mistakes not G-D. G-D knows that man make mistakes on His word (Injeel) so He sent Us Al-Quran to correct the mistakes.[/QUOTE]
...before you start saying things like this you should look at the errors of the Quran. I'll dig out a thread that you should read.
...before you start saying things like this you should look at the errors of the Quran. I'll dig out a thread that you should read.
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azri said:
I see that your mind is set; so believe what you want. That does not make it correct. Understanding in that enviornment is parcticallyl impossible.
I do not think that you actually understand my previous post. God does not make mistakes that would allow a new revelation to come along to correct the former unless there are two different authors claiming that they are both God. You are saying that God made mistakes since He inspired man to write this book. That also means that God has no sovereignity; therefore, He is not truly God. And all of His claims are washed away because He can not prevent man from messing up His revelation.
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caller_to_truth said:I am happy to hear that the holy spirit came down and gave you several hours of teaching and guidance to understand the bible. In the bible it say s clear "God is not the author of Confusion". 1 corinthians 14:33. Let us hope he coems down a bit more often and teaches us to understand the bible more.
"the evil person expresses evil from the evil that is stored in his heart.For from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (luke 6:45, Matthew 12:35)
and jesus said about your holy ghost who came down to teach" be wary of false prophets who come to you in the Guise of sheep while at heart they are voracious wolves." Matthew 7:15
Peace
I am not sure of your motive. Explain.
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azri said:
So how are you going to avoid interaction with man? When you take the readings of any any author, you are being influenced by that person whether you realize it or not. When you listen to others, you are letting them influence you and that affects how you perceive things in part. When you see people doing things, you are being influenced by those actions. Can you deny this?
Our human mind has to assimilate the words and interpret them into a consistent pattern that we call sentences. These sentences is what gives us thoughts. So, you tell me how to avoid using the mind to interact with God. These thoughts can form beliefs, whether true or not. These beliefs are then either acted upon (faith) or they are just passive activities of the mind (meaningless assertions).
How do you come to know what God wants us to know in the 1st place? There must be some exchange between God and man along the process or there is no relation. Makes sense?
Inspiration of God through man means that God is the author of the message while He uses the minds of men to relay the message. Whether the person is perfect is not on the burden of the person or on God. It is the transmission of the God's message that is preserved. That is the most important point to consider. The consistency of the Bible is proven by the communication of the Holy Spirit with us and personal revelations that we Get from God in our daily walk with Christ. These consistencies help us to become more trusting of both the message and the messenger who is ultimately God, Himself - not man.
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azri said:
Yep, and that is what the Bible says too, but you do not agree or want to see that; so what is the point of saying anything further.
Question: which holy books are you citing? Is the Bible among them? If so, you need to study it more carefully and get its meaning and not make mere assertions without proof.
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I for one would have though he is a jew, but jews aren't usually this dumb. (no offense, but we keep repeating stuff and you repeat yours like if you didnt even consider to ignite the engine thats in your head, that is to "think" for a moment about it, it isnt too hard to understand anyway)
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...before you start saying things like this you should look at the errors of the Quran. I'll dig out a thread that you should read.
It's already done. But you can dig and dig. Over and over again. And your concclusion, by then, is that you'll want us to believe that the Koran is not from God.
It's already done. But you can dig and dig. Over and over again. And your concclusion, by then, is that you'll want us to believe that the Koran is not from God.
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Well He didn't INSPIRE man... Man has purposefully DONE the work himself for, vile reasons.. This is what God says about that in the Koran:peaceful soul said:
"2.79": Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price! therefore woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn!!
See? He didn't inspire them; he condemns them.
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Bilal said:
The Qu'ran was also handled by men. It was not written and then given to man. Man had to write it down and transmitt it to book form. Just like you want to believe that man corrupted the Bible, so we must make the same assumptions about the Qu'ran too. We must weigh it on the same basis as the Bible for proper comparison of its validity, credibility, and truthfulness.
The Qu'ran is under more scrutiny because it makes very bold claims of of being the exact word of God; so there can not be one little thing imperfect about its transmission. Note: we have not even discussed the content of it yet. You that want to believe in the Qu'ran have to, not only prove there is no gramatical, logica,l or textual errors; you also have to prove that its content is from God. That requires more faith than it does in accepting the simple message of salvation by faith in Christ, IMO.
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Bilal said:
That is right according to Qu'ran. But the Qu'ran's authority depends upon whether you can prove that the Bible is actually not the Word of God. Sadly for you, you do not know what it is like to be inspired by God through Christ. It is the relationship with Christ that makes it rather silly to someone like me that Islam is the word of God. Unfortunatley, you can not testify to what true Christians go through in their relationship with God; so all of this talk is most likely foreign to you. At best, it is just an intellectual [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].
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GOD.........is that One Word...or Three letters? 
Religious fanatic 1: "Well, my book says yours book if full of ****."
Religious fanatic 2: "Well, mine say "yours" is full of ****"
Religious fanatic 1: "Well, my god could kick your god's butt"
Religious fanatic 2: "Nu uh"
Religious fanatic 1: "uh hu"
Religious fanatic 2: "nu uh"
Religious fanatic 1: "Your ignorant."
Religious fanatic 2: "No, your ignorant."
Religious fanatic 1: "God will punish you"
Religious fanatic 2: "Well, "your" going to burn in hell"
Atheist: "There is no god or hell you fools"
:::::1 and 2 both throws hands in the air and gives up::::::
I think you guys need to relax a little bit. Did it ever occur to you that you both may be wrong? A book is a book is a book....Qaran or Bible....they were BOTH written by men. You REALLY want to know what god says?.....listen to your heart.....and T-H-I-N-K with the mind he gave you. It's all in there.....
Religious fanatic 1: "Well, my book says yours book if full of ****."
Religious fanatic 2: "Well, mine say "yours" is full of ****"
Religious fanatic 1: "Well, my god could kick your god's butt"
Religious fanatic 2: "Nu uh"
Religious fanatic 1: "uh hu"
Religious fanatic 2: "nu uh"
Religious fanatic 1: "Your ignorant."
Religious fanatic 2: "No, your ignorant."
Religious fanatic 1: "God will punish you"
Religious fanatic 2: "Well, "your" going to burn in hell"
Atheist: "There is no god or hell you fools"
:::::1 and 2 both throws hands in the air and gives up::::::
I think you guys need to relax a little bit. Did it ever occur to you that you both may be wrong? A book is a book is a book....Qaran or Bible....they were BOTH written by men. You REALLY want to know what god says?.....listen to your heart.....and T-H-I-N-K with the mind he gave you. It's all in there.....
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