2025 predictions thread

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Nothing in the Bible is rubbish, but quite a lot of what people declare that the Bible "really means" is the worst kind of rubbish. Almost all eschatological predictions, for instance.

I didn't say that is what the Bible means.
I said that is what Jesus said.

Jesus blamed Jerusalem for ALL the righteous blood shed upon earth .

I was repeating his exact words and you called his words rubbish.You have proven that you don't know what Jesus says in the gospel.If you had ,you would have recognized his words when I quoted them.

Like I said ,if you knew who ruled Jerusalem,you would understand why he said what he said.Butvyou don't You literally called the word of God rubbish.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Jesus blamed Jerusalem for ALL the righteous blood shed upon earth .

Yes...

So basically inanimate dirt in a singular geographic location is responsible.

glad every human being to ever live is in the clear.

Or ... Jerusalem is symbolic of something, something that's not actually dirt and rocks in a single location.

 

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Yes...

So basically inanimate dirt in a singular geographic location is responsible.

glad every human being to ever live is in the clear.

Or ... Jerusalem is symbolic of something, something that's not actually dirt and rocks in a single location.

"Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother." Galatians 4:24-26

And then you have the beast.Dont forget the beast that persecutes Jesus followers during the tribulation .The one who's seat is in Jerusalem.

 

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Yes...

So basically inanimate dirt in a singular geographic location is responsible.

glad every human being to ever live is in the clear.

Or ... Jerusalem is symbolic of something, something that's not actually dirt and rocks in a single location.

Ohhh yes
Jerusalem is responsible for the deaths of all these righteous followers of Jesus.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Ohhh yes
Jerusalem is responsible for the deaths of all these righteous followers of Jesus.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Well dear, since "Jerusalem" is a point on a map that is nothing but dirt and rock and grass... I'm fairly certain "Jerusalem" didn't actually pick up a sword and kill anyone, or nail anyone to a cross.

You either have to admit Jerusalem is symbolic of something else, something that CAN physically pick up a sword or nail someone to a cross, or you are left with no one is at fault for the blood of the prophets and the saints.

And then, if you decide on the symbolism, you have to figure out what Jerusalem is symbolic of, in this context.

 

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Well dear, since "Jerusalem" is a point on a map that is nothing but dirt and rock and grass... I'm fairly certain "Jerusalem" didn't actually pick up a sword and kill anyone, or nail anyone to a cross.

You either have to admit Jerusalem is symbolic of something else, something that CAN physically pick up a sword or nail someone to a cross, or you are left with no one is at fault for the blood of the prophets and the saints.

And then, if you decide on the symbolism, you have to figure out what Jerusalem is symbolic of, in this context.

Jerusalem,the city of seven hills is the capital city governed by the beast that kills the saints.

Is that plain enough for you?
Do you get the picture yet?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Jerusalem,the city of seven hills is the capital city governed by the beast that kills the saints.

Is that plain enough for you?
Do you get the picture yet?

There's 3.

There are three cities set on 7 hills.

One is called Jerusalem, the other is in Rome - Vatican City, and the other is Washington DC.

All 3 claim the faith of Abraham. 2 claim Christ.

Which is the Jerusalem that kills the saints?

 

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There's 3.

There are three cities set on 7 hills.

One is called Jerusalem, the other is in Rome - Vatican City, and the other is Washington DC.

All 3 claim the faith of Abraham. 2 claim Christ.

Which is the Jerusalem that kills the saints?

Only one city on seven hills called Jerusalem is Jerusalem


Do you not know the difference between Rome ,Jerusalem and Washington DC?


You honestly can't tell which one is called Jerusalem?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Only one city on seven hills called Jerusalem is Jerusalem


Do you not know the difference between Rome ,Jerusalem and Washington DC?


You honestly can't tell which one is called Jerusalem?

Well, God left Jerusalem more than 1900 years ago.

The Jews didn't even live there until recently, they've been busy being chased out of every country they lived in and/or been being slaughtered...

Pretty sure they paid those dues. God left them to their own devices there. Doubtful anyone can say there's any more they owe God for their sins not covered by the second death.


Next up we have Rome, whom our forefathers in the faith declared to be the Harlot of their day. (Or maybe they were the beast I forgot which now)

They do still exist and the Jesuits still run around Latin America trying to destroy nations and keep people in slavery to a false gospel...

They are far more successful at destruction than Israel, but due to the reformers far more limited in their ability to kill the saints then they once were.

My husband knows their every sin by heart and can recite everything they ever did by date and time. He was raised by the forefathers in our faith.


Then of course next up we have the false church of America - greed and gluttony from people who don't even know Scriptures but claim to know something about God and Christ, while in their desire to police what is not theirs to police the world over, they manage to export a false gospel and kill the saints.


So, you really planning on sticking with the one place on earth that's pretty much the only non-issue before God these days?

 

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Well, God left Jerusalem more than 1900 years ago.

The Jews didn't even live there until recently, they've been busy being chased out of every country they lived in and/or been being slaughtered...

Pretty sure they paid those dues. God left them to their own devices there. Doubtful anyone can say there's any more they owe God for their sins not covered by the second death.


Next up we have Rome, whom our forefathers in the faith declared to be the Harlot of their day.

They do still exist and the Jesuits still run around Latin America trying to destroy nations and keep people in slavery to a false gospel...

They are far more successful at destruction than Israel, but due to the reformers far more limited in their ability to kill the saints then they once were.


Then of course we have the false church of America - greed and gluttony from people who don't even know Scriptures but claim to know something about God and Christ, while in their desire to police what is not theirs to police the world over, they manage to export a false gospel and kill the saints.


So, you really planning on sticking with the one place on earth that's pretty much the only non-issue before God these days?

The word of God says Jerusalem is the harlot and you argue she isn't..


Ezekiel 16

16 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.

5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.

6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.

7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.

15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,

18 And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.

19 My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, wherewith I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour: and thus it was, saith the Lord God.

20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,

21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?

22 And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood.

23 And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, (woe, woe unto thee! saith the Lord God

24 That thou hast also built unto thee an eminent place, and hast made thee an high place in every street.

25 Thou hast built thy high place at every head of the way, and hast made thy beauty to be abhorred, and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed by, and multiplied thy whoredoms.

26 Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger.

27 Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way.

28 Thou hast played the harlot also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied.

29 Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied therewith.

30 How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord God, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;

 

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31 In that thou buildest thine eminent place in the head of every way, and makest thine high place in every street; and hast not been as an harlot, in that thou scornest hire;

32 But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!

33 They give gifts to all harlots: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.

34 And the contrary is in thee from other women in thy whoredoms, whereas none followeth thee to commit whoredoms: and in that thou givest a reward, and no reward is given unto thee, therefore thou art contrary.

35 Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord:

36 Thus saith the Lord God; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

37 Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.

38 And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.

39 And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.

40 They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.

41 And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.

42 So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry.

43 Because thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, but hast fretted me in all these things; behold, therefore I also will recompense thy way upon thine head, saith the Lord God: and thou shalt not commit this lewdness above all thine abominations.

44 Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying, As is the mother, so is her daughter.

45 Thou art thy mother's daughter, that lotheth her husband and her children; and thou art the sister of thy sisters, which lothed their husbands and their children: your mother was an Hittite, and your father an Amorite.

46 And thine elder sister is Samaria, she and her daughters that dwell at thy left hand: and thy younger sister, that dwelleth at thy right hand, is Sodom and her daughters.

47 Yet hast thou not walked after their ways, nor done after their abominations: but, as if that were a very little thing, thou wast corrupted more than they in all thy ways.

48 As I live, saith the Lord God, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.

49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

51 Neither hath Samaria committed half of thy sins; but thou hast multiplied thine abominations more than they, and hast justified thy sisters in all thine abominations which thou hast done.

52 Thou also, which hast judged thy sisters, bear thine own shame for thy sins that thou hast committed more abominable than they: they are more righteous than thou: yea, be thou confounded also, and bear thy shame, in that thou hast justified thy sisters.

53 When I shall bring again their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters, and the captivity of Samaria and her daughters, then will I bring again the captivity of thy captives in the midst of them:

54 That thou mayest bear thine own shame, and mayest be confounded in all that thou hast done, in that thou art a comfort unto them.

55 When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then thou and thy daughters shall return to your former estate.

56 For thy sister Sodom was not mentioned by thy mouth in the day of thy pride,

57 Before thy wickedness was discovered, as at the time of thy reproach of the daughters of Syria, and all that are round about her, the daughters of the Philistines, which despise thee round about.

58 Thou hast borne thy lewdness and thine abominations, saith the Lord.

59 For thus saith the Lord God; I will even deal with thee as thou hast done, which hast despised the oath in breaking the covenant.

60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.

61 Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.

62 And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord:

63 That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord God.

 

[Hazelelponi]

The word of God says Jerusalem is the harlot and you argue she isn't..


Ezekiel 16

16 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.

5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.

6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.

7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.

8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.

15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,

18 And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.

19 My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, wherewith I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour: and thus it was, saith the Lord God.

20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,

21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?

22 And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood.

23 And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, (woe, woe unto thee! saith the Lord God

24 That thou hast also built unto thee an eminent place, and hast made thee an high place in every street.

25 Thou hast built thy high place at every head of the way, and hast made thy beauty to be abhorred, and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed by, and multiplied thy whoredoms.

26 Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger.

27 Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way.

28 Thou hast played the harlot also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied.

29 Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied therewith.

30 How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord God, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;

A lot has changed in 2000 years, and the word was clearly being used symbolically.

You need to look for the timeless principles. Your not at the moment.

People can always repent of their sins.

 

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A lot has changed in 2000 years, and the word was clearly being used symbolically.

Ecclesiastes 1:9
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Ecclesiastes 1:9
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

But that nothing new under the sun doesn't mean exact same physical location.

If there's a debate today on which of the three are the end times Harlot of Babylon it's between Washington and the Vatican.

I am in the United States and would prefer my people to repent. Let the Vatican have the dubious honor of our day...

Or we could just go crazy and all three repent and see what God does... That could be fun.

Nothing on earth says we can't make this reprieve we've been given last.

 

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But that nothing new under the sun doesn't mean exact same physical location.

If there's a debate today on which of the three are the end times Harlot of Babylon it's between Washington and the Vatican.

I am in the United States and would prefer my people to repent. Let the Vatican have the dubious honor of our day...

Or we could just go crazy and all three repent and see what God does... That could be fun.

Nothing on earth says we can't make this reprieve we've been given last.

In the meantime ,while you debate with yourself who is responsible for all the blood of the prophets sent to Israel to tell Israel to repent,
Benjamin netanyahu and his ultra right wing religious fanatics are attempting to dismantle the supreme court and change Israels laws .

Changing laws as is written of the lbeast.

 

[Hazelelponi]

In the meantime ,while you debate with yourself who is responsible for all the blood of the prophets sent to Israel to tell Israel to repent,
Benjamin netanyahu and his ultra right wing religious fanatics are attempting to dismantle the supreme court and change Israels laws .

Changing laws as is written of the lbeast.

We "change laws" in government regularly in order to best govern the people under our care.

 

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We "change laws" in government regularly in order to best govern the people under our care.

Do you describe the United states as( little?)

Did the US arrive in the pleasant land from the north west and subdued three kings?

Do you know these prophecies of the beast?

 

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A lot has changed in 2000 years, and the word was clearly being used symbolically.

You need to look for the timeless principles. Your not at the moment.

People can always repent of their sins.

So you believe Washington DC is Babylon.

According to the word of God,The Medes will be in Babylon ransacking the houses and raping the women on the day of the Lord in Isaiah 13.

Can you explain how you believe Iranians will take over washington DC ransacking the houses and raping the women when Zechariah 14:2 says all nations are in Jerusalem ransacking the houses and raping the women on the same day?


Do you honestly believe the Iranians can take control of Washington DC raping all the women in that city but not Jerusalem as zechariah says?

 

[Hazelelponi]

So you believe Washington DC is Babylon.

According to the word of God,The Medes will be in Babylon ransacking the houses and raping the women on the day of the Lord in Isaiah 13.

Can you explain how you believe Iranians will take over washington DC ransacking the houses and raping the women when Zechariah 14:2 says all nations are in Jerusalem ransacking the houses and raping the women on the same day?


Do you honestly believe the Iranians can take control of Washington DC raping all the women in that city but not Jerusalem as zechariah says?

Sweetheart, I think the whole world is Babylon.

It's just a matter of who is the queen of the adulterouses.

Now, I think - and we must underline think, that you have to first be married to cheat. So I actually do think that rules out the Jewish folks 2,000 years After the death and resurrection of Christ. Christ divorced them.

 

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Sweetheart, I think the whole world is Babylon.

Ok

How do you believe Iranians are going to take Babylon ransacking the houses and raping the women on the day of the Lord like Isaiah 13 says ,when Zechariah 14:2 says all the nations are in Jerusalem ransacking the houses and raping the women on that day?

Also ,if you believe Jerusalem is the whole world then where is the Mt of olives east of Jerusalem?