2025 predictions thread

[tailgator]

You are not even paying attention here.

Jesus answered the questions from those at the Temple in Luke 21. Matthew and Mark are the private questions of the disciples on the mount of Olives.

All we have of 3 days of teaching in the Temple and in the evening with the disciples is boiled down to a few chapters in the NT.

You seem to think Jesus kept repeating the same words every 30 minutes for 3 days???

Jesus taught them many things, but all we got is what we got.

You can not even see the differences between Luke and the other 2 accounts. You are in great company, as neither can Preterist and Amillennialist. Nor all in between.

Those at the temple with Jesus were his followers.His disciples were with him in the temple and after they left it.
His disciples were talking about the stones on the temple and Jesus told them they would all be throne down.

Then after he sat down on the Mt of of olives,they asked him to tell them when these things would transpire and to tell them about the sign of his coming.
All three testimonies are called the olivet discourse by 99.9 percent of christians and scholars.



The Olivet Discourse or Olivet prophecy is a biblical passage found in the Synoptic Gospels in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13, and Luke 21. It is also known as the Little Apocalypse because it includes the use of apocalyptic language, and it includes Jesus's warning to his followers that they will suffer tribulation and persecution before the ultimate triumph of the Kingdom of God.[1] The Olivet discourse is the last of the Five Discourses of Matthew and occurs just before the narrative of Jesus's passion beginning with the anointing of Jesus.




In all three synoptic Gospels this episode includes the Parable of the Budding Fig Tree.[2]

Olivet Discourse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Timtofly]

Those at the temple with Jesus were his followers.His disciples were with him in the temple and after they left it.
His disciples were talking about the stones on the temple and Jesus told them they would all be throne down.

Then after he sat down on the Mt of of olives,they asked him to tell them when these things would transpire and to tell them about the sign of his coming.
All three testimonies are called the olivet discourse by 99.9 percent of christians and scholars.



The Olivet Discourse or Olivet prophecy is a biblical passage found in the Synoptic Gospels in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13, and Luke 21. It is also known as the Little Apocalypse because it includes the use of apocalyptic language, and it includes Jesus's warning to his followers that they will suffer tribulation and persecution before the ultimate triumph of the Kingdom of God.[1] The Olivet discourse is the last of the Five Discourses of Matthew and occurs just before the narrative of Jesus's passion beginning with the anointing of Jesus.




In all three synoptic Gospels this episode includes the Parable of the Budding Fig Tree.[2]

Olivet Discourse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As I posted, you are too much wrapped up in human theology.

 

[tailgator]

As I posted, you are too much wrapped up in human theology.

It's the apostles testimony.Not human theology.
Mark Mathew and Luke all testify Jesus said the same thing after they asked him about his coming and the end of the age .I even quoted what all three books said .

 

[Timtofly]

It's the apostles testimony.Not human theology.
Mark Mathew and Luke all testify Jesus said the same thing after they asked him about his coming and the end of the age .I even quoted what all three books said .

I quoted that Jesus was in the Temple and those standing there asked Jesus, and Jesus answered them there in the Temple.

That did not stop you from denying what Luke wrote. You then turned to human theology, as your primary excuse.

 

[tailgator]

I quoted that Jesus was in the Temple and those standing there asked Jesus, and Jesus answered them there in the Temple.

That did not stop you from denying what Luke wrote. You then turned to human theology, as your primary excuse.

What was his answer as described by the apostles?

Did it sound something like this?





5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.


Or was it something like this,?




8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.


Or was his answer this?


4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

 

[Timtofly]

What was his answer as described by the apostles?

Did it sound something like this?





5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.


Or was it something like this,?




8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.


Or was his answer this?


4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Show me in Luke where Jesus finally left for the mount of Olives. Quoting 4 or 5 verses means literally nothing, other than you can post 4 or 5 verses from 3 different Gospels.

You seem to think that similar wording can only mean one thing. Do you not pay attention to the actual context and text?

 

[tailgator]

Show me in Luke where Jesus finally left for the mount of Olives. Quoting 4 or 5 verses means literally nothing, other than you can post 4 or 5 verses from 3 different Gospels.

You seem to think that similar wording can only mean one thing. Do you not pay attention to the actual context and text?

Show me in Luke where Jesus said anything to his disciples in the Mt of olives as Mathew and mark do.

Or did Luke leave that out?

I suppose you believe Jesus never said a word to his disciples on the Mt of olives since Luke doesn't say he did.

 

[tailgator]

Show me in Luke where Jesus finally left for the mount of Olives. Quoting 4 or 5 verses means literally nothing, other than you can post 4 or 5 verses from 3 different Gospels.

You seem to think that similar wording can only mean one thing. Do you not pay attention to the actual context and text?

Well it doesn't really matter.

Luke,Mathew and mark are all about the same discourse Jesus gave that day.

The only reason why the words may not be identical throughout his discourse is because the gospels were written decades after the discourse was given.

 

[Timtofly]

Show me in Luke where Jesus said anything to his disciples in the Mt of olives as Mathew and mark do.

Or did Luke leave that out?

I suppose you believe Jesus never said a word to his disciples on the Mt of olives since Luke doesn't say he did.

I don't view Luke as addressed directly to the disciples in private on the Mount of Olives, nor do I need Luke to corroborate what Matthew and Mark claimed happened and what was said, on the Mount of Olives.

I know there was a private discussion on the Mount of Olives by reading Matthew and Mark. Why do you not follow along with the actual words in the Gospels, but depend on human theology as your means of interpretation?

Luke explains that over the course of several days, starting with Palm Sunday until the Lord's Supper, Jesus was teaching both in the Temple and on the Mount of Olives. Luke 21:37-38

"And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives. And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, for to hear him."

Luke acknowledges that Jesus taught in both locations, but implies that he had written about things said at the Temple, and not necessarily what was said on the Mount of Olives.

 

[tailgator]

I don't view Luke as addressed directly to the disciples in private on the Mount of Olives, nor do I need Luke to corroborate what Matthew and Mark claimed happened and what was said, on the Mount of Olives.

I know there was a private discussion on the Mount of Olives by reading Matthew and Mark. Why do you not follow along with the actual words in the Gospels, but depend on human theology as your means of interpretation?

Luke explains that over the course of several days, starting with Palm Sunday until the Lord's Supper, Jesus was teaching both in the Temple and on the Mount of Olives. Luke 21:37-38

"And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives. And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, for to hear him."

Luke acknowledges that Jesus taught in both locations, but implies that he had written about things said at the Temple, and not necessarily what was said on the Mount of Olives.

Luke Mathew and Mark is the same speach told by several different people.
Same question
Same answer

 

[Timtofly]

Luke Mathew and Mark is the same speach told by several different people.
Same question
Same answer

That is what human theology teaches. That is not what Luke wrote down. You claim it does not matter anyway, that human theology deviates from Scripture:

Well it doesn't really matter.

Luke,Mathew and mark are all about the same discourse Jesus gave that day.

Jesus taught much longer in the Temple during the day, than the few hours in the evening on the Mount of Olives. But you will believe and accept human theology, because it makes sense to you, even though what Luke wrote is different with different implications than presented in Mathew and Mark.

 

[tailgator]

That is what human theology teaches. That is not what Luke wrote down. You claim it does not matter anyway, that human theology deviates from Scripture:



Jesus taught much longer in the Temple during the day, than the few hours in the evening on the Mount of Olives. But you will believe and accept human theology, because it makes sense to you, even though what Luke wrote is different with different implications than presented in Mathew and Mark.

I quoted Luke,mark and Mathew.

Same question.
Same answer.

You need to understand ,Luke did an excellent job with his work But Luke was not present at the temple or the Mt of olives and is delivering a second or perhaps even a third hand account of the events of a day which took place decades before he wrote his gospel account.

“Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.”

Luke simply left out three or four words that he or someone who taught him didn't seem important or simply forgot.Ive noticed that Luke's account has a few other words that I found important that the other two accounts omit.(But before all these).

But these small differences still do not change the whole body of work which is nearly identical in their words and events.The fact that you believe the disciples would ask Jesus the same question twice in one day and be given the same 20-25 minut answer is preposterous.

 

[Timtofly]

I quoted Luke,mark and Mathew.

Same question.
Same answer.

You need to understand ,Luke did an excellent job with his work But Luke was not present at the temple or the Mt of olives and is delivering a second or perhaps even a third hand account of the events of a day which took place decades before he wrote his gospel account.

“Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.”

Luke simply left out three or four words that he or someone who taught him didn't seem important or simply forgot.Ive noticed that Luke's account has a few other words that I found important that the other two accounts omit.(But before all these).

But these small differences still do not change the whole body of work which is nearly identical in their words and events.The fact that you believe the disciples would ask Jesus the same question twice in one day and be given the same 20-25 minut answer is preposterous.

Luke never left anything out. Your implying that your point has to work, even though Jesus had never left the Temple until the end of Luke 21.

It is an entirely different premise given to the public at large, so not the in private discussion with the disciples on the Mount of Olives.

Perhaps you should not try so hard to force the parallels, and see how the subtle differences changes the whole perspective for those people and not the NT church, 2,000 years later?

Jesus knew exactly what to say at the Temple, and what to say in private to His disciples.

 

[tailgator]

Luke never left anything out. Your implying that your point has to work, even though Jesus had never left the Temple until the end of Luke 21.

It is an entirely different premise given to the public at large, so not the in private discussion with the disciples on the Mount of Olives.

Perhaps you should not try so hard to force the parallels, and see how the subtle differences changes the whole perspective for those people and not the NT church, 2,000 years later?

Jesus knew exactly what to say at the Temple, and what to say in private to His disciples.

Luke wasn't there.Luke wrote down what someone else told him decades after the fact.

 

[Timtofly]

Luke wasn't there.Luke wrote down what someone else told him decades after the fact.

That really does not matter, now does it?

The same argument would apply that Luke was not on the Mount of Olives as well.

Not sure why you are fighting for human theology so hard?

Besides, Luke was a friend of Paul, and probably a disciple of Paul, as well. Paul was not there either, as he was still a teen, and did not show up until Stephen was martyred. Neither were first hand eye witness accounts. Luke gathered his info from the general public, who had been at the Temple, and may not have even asked for inside info from the Mount of Olives.

 

[tailgator]

That really does not matter, now does it?

The same argument would apply that Luke was not on the Mount of Olives as well.

Not sure why you are fighting for human theology so hard?

Besides, Luke was a friend of Paul, and probably a disciple of Paul, as well. Paul was not there either, as he was still a teen, and did not show up until Stephen was martyred. Neither were first hand eye witness accounts. Luke gathered his info from the general public, who had been at the Temple, and may not have even asked for inside info from the Mount of Olives.

The general.public was not the one Jesus said would remember these things.

Your the only one calling Mathew and mark human theology.
I suppose you believe it's all lies.

Mathew 24
Mark 13
Luke 21

Is about the same question and the same answer



Your human theory that the general public was sent to preach the gospel is false. The apostles were.

 

[Lost4words]

Revelation is the most misunderstood and misinterpreted book in the Bible...

 

[Simonides]

I predict that the "christian" Zionists and the Rev 2:9 Zionists will continue to use the Darby/Scofield deception as their playbook, while slow rolling the world towards Armageddon.

This present wicked and adulterous generation, having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof will continue to search for and cling to the lying signs and wonders that comes to them through the satanically controlled TV and Internet mediums and AI demon technologies that enslave them.

There will be at least one more fake pandemic to deceive the fearful and unbelieving masses into joining the rest of the NPC's who have already received in their bodies the Abomination which makes Desolate.

As God calls more and more of His lost sheep into the fold, this remnant of faithful believers, now awakened to their true identity as the sons and daughters of Yahweh God will begin to assemble and separate themselves from the beast system that wages war upon them. Many will be hidden and protected by the Father and His angels. Many others will be hunted down and martyred, being blessed to suffer as Christ suffered, Glorifying God in their flesh, as the spirit of Cain fills the hearts of the wicked to rise up against them.

America will continue to be exposed as the rotting corpse it truly is, reaping the due harvest for every evil seed that has been sown.

There will be another 9/11 type event, most likely a nuclear attack blamed on Russia. This will lead to an expansion of the Russo Ukrainian conflict. NATO and American troops will leave their homelands to join in the battle.

Everything that follows will be more breathtakingly horrific than I care to imagine or could possibly put into words.

But hey, I'm just some crazy old dude on the internet, so what do I know?

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

 

[Timtofly]

The general.public was not the one Jesus said would remember these things.

Your the only one calling Mathew and mark human theology.
I suppose you believe it's all lies.

Mathew 24
Mark 13
Luke 21

Is about the same question and the same answer



Your human theory that the general public was sent to preach the gospel is false. The apostles were.

You keep posting funny accusations.

Matthew and Mark are the Olivet Discourse. That is not theology. That is just common sense.

Your theology is saying Luke 21 is the Olivet Discourse because that is what human theology teaches, an erroneous assumption and false interpretation.

That is not what Luke wrote at all. Luke is warning the people in the Temple about the devastation coming against a future revolt of the Jews against themselves, which causes the wrath of the Ronans because of the lack of peace among the Jews.

Do you think Matthew and Mark only deal with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD and not the Second Coming?

 

[RainySunflower]

Time to bump up this topic.

I guess I'm not crazy for " predicting " nuclear war, Madonna is doing the same.

In case it isn't obvious, she had like Eurovision performance with bunch of clues about future being hidden in secret code in performance.

And this is one of it, in background there is like, broken Statue of Liberty

And remember: they need to tell you their plans in forward before they do it.