2017 The Year of Jubilee - Leviticus 25

[parousia70]

The Crusaders may have worn a red cross on a white tunic, but they weren't Christian by any comparison against
the NT scriptures.
More of a religion unto themselves. The story of the rise of Rome.

And the Byzantines?

 

[Waggles]

Daniel 8:13 Then I heard H8085 one H259 saint H6918 speaking, H1696 and another H259 saint H6918 said H559 unto that certain H6422 saint which spake, H1696 How long H5704 H4970 shall be the vision H2377 concerning the daily H8548 sacrifice, and the transgression H6588 of desolation,
H8074 to give H5414 both the sanctuary H6944 and the host H6635 to be trodden under foot? H4823

TRANSGRESSION H6588 פֶּשַׁע pesha‛
From H6586; a revolt (national, moral or religious): - rebellion, sin, transgression, trespassive
Total KJV occurrences: 93

DESOLATION H8074 שָׁמֵם shâmêm
A primitive root; to stun (or intransitively grow numb), that is, devastate or (figuratively) stupefy (both usually in a passive sense): - make amazed, be astonied, (be an) astonish (-ment), (be, bring into, unto, lay, lie, make) desolate (-ion, places), be destitute, destroy (self), (lay, lie, make) waste, wonder.
Total KJV occurrences: 89

We may all be wrong in our thinking about certain buildings and events - Daniel is giving a prophecy
concerning the future from his own time: how long until the revolt (rebellion) of devastation that brings
the sanctuary (Temple) to be trodden underfoot (by gentiles).
I am thinking 70 AD and the rebellion against Rome and the destruction of the Temple.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
This is a prophecy concerning Titus, who was indeed a Prince, being the Emperor's son, who came
and destroyed both The Temple (and put a stop to sacrifices and the Levitical rites) and destroyed
Jerusalem.

 

[Waggles]

Matthew 24:15 When G3752 ye therefore G3767 shall see G1492 the G3588 abomination G946
of desolation, G2050 spoken G4483 of by G1223 Daniel G1158 the G3588 prophet, G4396
stand G2476 in G1722 the holy G40 place, G5117 (whoso readeth, G314
let him understand) G3539

ABOMINATION G946 βδέλυγμα bdelugma
From G948; a detestation, that is, (specifically) idolatry: - abomination.
Total KJV occurrences: 6

DESOLATION G2050 ἐρήμωσις erēmōsis From G2049; despoliation: - desolation.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

Jesus goes on to say:
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,
no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's
sake those days shall be shortened. Matthew 24:20-22

Something to do with idolatry of a magnitude to offend God (or possible the Jews) may take
place on the Temple Mount and cause war between Israel (the nation) and ???

 

[precepts]

The Jubilee years have all but been lost in history....

However Jesus did quote the Isaih 61 verse that seems to indicate He started His ministry on a Jubilee year??????

1967 taking the city is significant!!!!!
dont know about 1917???

The next Jubilee year may be a Spiritual awakening as in the days of Jesus?

God is more concerned of saving souls than the physical...
but sometimes God shows us some physical events because we cannot always see what He is doing in secret!!!!

He came to HIs own and His people knew Him not...John 1:11
The kingdom of God does not come with observation...kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 17:20

The context is Israeli.

 

[Douggg]

As the Rabbi's messed up their calendar in the Middle ages, its known to have at least 230 years missed out, reliance on them is not advisable.
Also the Jubilee's occur every 49 years, not 50. Otherwise, the Sabbath years: every seventh year would become out of sequence. The Jubilee year is also counted as the first year of the next sequence.

Well, we don't go by Jubilee years anyway, as it is not part of our new testament covenant. Be thankful for what we have in Christ. Count our blessings.

Keras, on the 49 or 50 years, and the 230 years missing charge, I don't want to get into a tedious discussion on that subject matter. I was passing along what the Jews say about their religion as far as 2017 not being a Jubilee year.

Leviticus 25:
10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

11 A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.

 

[keras]

Sure Dougg, the Fiftieth year is a Jubilee year. This does not preclude it from being the first year of the next sequence as well. It has to be that, or the Sabbath year; every seventh year, would shift out of relation to the Jubilee years.
There is plenty of proof that the Jubilee year must take place every 49 years. The fact of 1917 and 1967 being significant years in human history, had no Prophetic fulfilment.
The only date that did have Bible fulfilment was May 1948, the budding of the fig tree, the Jewish nation of Israel.

The only interesting dates that fit the Jubilees is, 70 AD, the destruction of the 2nd Temple and 2030, the likely Return of Jesus. They are 1960 years apart, which is 40 X 49 =1960.
This time period is also confirmed by Ezekiel 4:6....40 years for Judah's punishment; then Leviticus 26:23-28, so multiplied by 7 X 7 = 1960.

 

[BABerean2]

I was passing along what the Jews say about their religion as far as 2017 not being a Jubilee year.

We should be very careful of using those modern people who call themselves "Jews" as a source of information.

Most modern synagogues use the Babylonian Talmud as their ultimate source of truth, instead of the Old Testament.
The Talmud consists of the opinions of rabbis, who lived after 70 AD.

The Talmud states that Jesus is the illegitimate son of Mary and a Roman soldier.
It also says that Christ is now in boiling excrement.
Anyone who believes such things is just as lost as the Moslems.

Modern Talmudic Judaism is a racist doctrine.

The New Covenant is about Grace, instead of race.

1Ti 1:4　 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.　

Read the books "Judaism's Strange Gods" by Michael Hoffman and "Jesus in the Talmud" by Dr. Peter Schafer to confirm the facts above. (Dr. Schafer is Jewish.)

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[parousia70]

Daniel is giving a prophecy concerning the future from his own time: how long until the revolt (rebellion) of devastation that brings the sanctuary (Temple) to be trodden underfoot (by gentiles).
I am thinking 70 AD and the rebellion against Rome and the destruction of the Temple.

Jesus called it "The Coming of the Lord of the Vineyard" (Matthew 21:33-45)

 

[Waggles]

Jerusalem Watchman | Jerusalem D-Day – It’s what you do today, Mr President

Why the U.S.A. embassy should be relocated from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem
by Stan Goodenough who has a web-site blog called The Jerusalem Watchman

 

[HenryM]

A short overview of some pointers to 2017:

- 50 years from recapturing of Jerusalem by the Jewish people (a jubilee)
- 70 full years from UN resolution for rebirth of Israel in 1947 (a generation)
- 70th year from rebirth of Israel in May 1948 (a generation)
- 100 years from the Balfour declaration, first official act to give the Jewish people the right of return to the land (two jubilees)
- 120 years from first Zionist congress, conception of modern Israel (warning until judgement, Genesis 6:3)
- Chain of 10 Jerusalem jubilees: in 1517 Turks capture Jerusalem, in 1917 English capture Jerusalem, in 1967 Jews capture Jerusalem
- 10 jubilees, 500 years, from Reformation in 1517
- 2017 ends with 7, God's number of perfect completion
- 17 is a number of victory (overcoming the enemy, total victory), flood started on 17th day of the month, Noah's ark rested on the mountains of Ararat on the 17th day of the month, Jesus conquered death on 17th day of the month
- This year is Jewish year 5777, translated as perfect completion of an age of grace (5 is grace)
- Revelation 12 sign happening on September 2017
- Revelation 12 sign happening back to back to Feast of Trumpets
- Jerusalem recapture jubilee (5-10th june 2017) happening back to back with this year's Pentecost, which is a jubilee in days, 50 days from Feast of Fristfruits (4th june 2017)
- Jesus said "Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled" (Luke 21:24), making year 1967 the year when times of Gentiles was fulfulled, and making this year jubilee to that year
- Jesus said that one generation will not pass when end time signs complete and last years commence (and many agree that 70 years is a generation), making 2017 end of a generation from 1947/1948
- Abraham was born in year 1948 from Adam, and settled in land where God told him to settle 76 years after (Genesis 16:3, Genesis 16:16), in year 2024 (1948+76), hinting that 2024 might be the year when things will be settled for the Jewish people, and that they will accept Jesus as their Messiah by that year (with 2017 as start of last 7 years)
- Donald Trump, a loud carnal trump, got inaugurated when he was exactly 7 decades, 7 months and 7 days old, strange "coincidence" at least
- Crossing mark over all US by solar eclipse in August, 33 days before Revelation 12 sign in September, with another crossing mark in 2024, making huge X over US within 7 years span
- There's continual growth in mass scale animal deaths during the previous years, earthquakes, vulcanoes activities, and other similar phenomena...
- There's build up for war in the Middle East, paralleling prophecy of last days' war between many nations coalition against Israel, things could escalate basically any day
- Blood moons in 2014-2015, acting as some form of early alarm signs, head's up of sorts
- Silence from basically all bigwig preachers and theologians on 2017 convergence, paralleling Jesus giving thanks to the Father: "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." (Matthew 11:25)

Question is, is God creating this amazing convergence around 2017 as a message that something will happen years from now, or are these signs signaling that this year is the year? Both options are viable. At the same time, it seems somewhat unlikely to me, at this point, that God would create such convergence around 2017 as a sign for a future event. I don't see any year in the reasonable future so rich with pointers as we have for 2017.

Maranatha!

 

[Waggles]

@HenryM
I read that President Trump signed the waiver to prevent the American embassy being relocated from Tel Aviv to
Jerusalem. Pity, that would have stirred things up!

- This year is Jewish year 5777, translated as perfect completion of an age of grace (5 is grace)
Amazing set of numbers - I think we are all in for a very "exciting" year of events.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Did Trump spoil someone's Jubilee expectations by not moving the US embassy to Jerusalem?

 

[BABerean2]

Jerusalem Watchman | Jerusalem D-Day – It’s what you do today, Mr President

Why the U.S.A. embassy should be relocated from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem
by Stan Goodenough who has a web-site blog called The Jerusalem Watchman

Homosexuals around the world voted Tel Aviv as the number one "Gay City" in the world during a recent survey.

In Romans 11:1-5 the Apostle Paul revealed that during the time of Elijah there were two different groups of Israelites. One group bowed down to false gods and the "remnant" remained faithful to God. Paul said the same was true during his time and the same is true today.

Which group now controls the modern State of Israel?

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[Steve Petersen]

Homosexuals around the world voted Tel Aviv as the number one "Gay City" in the world during a recent survey.

In Romans 11:1-5 the Apostle Paul revealed that during the time of Elijah there were two different groups of Israelites. One group bowed down to false gods and the "remnant" remained faithful to God. Paul said the same was true during his time and the same is true today.

Which group now controls the modern State of Israel?

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Here is the breakout of the current Knesset. Notice that conservative parties hold a majority of seats.

Israeli Politics: A Guide to the Knesset

 

[BABerean2]

Here is the breakout of the current Knesset. Notice that conservative parties hold a majority of seats.

Israeli Politics: A Guide to the Knesset

What does that term "conservative" mean to you, when it comes to Israeli politicians?

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[Steve Petersen]

What does that term "conservative" mean to you, when it comes to Israeli politicians?

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Yisrael Beiteinu
HaIhud HaLeumi
Shas
Yahdut Ha Torah
Kadima
Likkud

 

[BABerean2]

Yisrael Beiteinu
HaIhud HaLeumi
Shas
Yahdut Ha Torah
Kadima
Likkud

How do those above fit into the following scripture text, in your opinion?

1Jn 2:22　 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.　
1Jn 2:23　 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.　

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[Steve Petersen]

How do those above fit into the following scripture text, in your opinion?

1Jn 2:22　 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.　
1Jn 2:23　 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.　

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Acts is clear: tens of thousands of Jew believed and many priests were obedient to the faith.

The rejection of Jesus as Messiah later has more to do with anti-Torah, anti-Jewish theologies and heavy persecution by Christians in Jesus' name.

 

[BABerean2]

Acts is clear: tens of thousands of Jew believed and many priests were obedient to the faith.

The rejection of Jesus as Messiah later has more to do with anti-Torah, anti-Jewish theologies and heavy persecution by Christians in Jesus' name.

Do you understand the difference between Old Testament Judaism practiced during the time of Christ and modern Talmudic Judaism, based on the writings of the rabbis in the Babylonian Talmud?

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[Steve Petersen]

Do you understand the difference between Old Testament Judaism practiced during the time of Christ and modern Talmudic Judaism, based on the writings of the rabbis in the Babylonian Talmud?

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What would be your source for how OT Judaism was practiced during the time of Christ? Primary sources are scant. Outside of the NT we really only have Josephus and Philo. I imagine you would reject the Mishnah, though it purports to convey traditions from the time of Ezra right through the Second Temple era.