2 Timothy 2: 20

[Ran77]

I'm interested in hearing what others believe this verse to mean. I have included the surrounding verses for context.

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.

 

[kit]

Singular to several verses rarely have any meaning apart from their place in the overall context. Some meaning comes with whole chapters.

 

[Ran77]

Singular to several verses rarely have any meaning apart from their place in the overall context. Some meaning comes with whole chapters.

That doesn't address the topic. If you feel that you don't have enough context to comment then by all means feel free to abstain from the discussion.

 

[ChetSinger]

I'm interested in hearing what others believe this verse to mean. I have included the surrounding verses for context.

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.

Hello. The passage as a whole is talking about sanctification, that is, setting aside our old ways and adopting Christ's new ways.

 

[Ran77]

Hello. The passage as a whole is talking about sanctification, that is, setting aside our old ways and adopting Christ's new ways.

Within that context what do you feel is the significance of gold, silver, wood, and earth vessels?

 

[Masihi]

I'm interested in hearing what others believe this verse to mean. I have included the surrounding verses for context.

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.

[VERSE=2 Timothy 2:18,ASV]men who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some.[/VERSE]
The verses leading to the verse in question have to do with keeping the faith and avoiding false doctrines such as believing that the resurrection had already taken place. This includes taking to heart the scriptures by Smith. Purging oneself of these false doctrines is the step one needs to take to become useful to the Lord. Rid oneself of the wood vessels. That's my take.

 

[ChetSinger]

Within that context what do you feel is the significance of gold, silver, wood, and earth vessels?

They represent degrees of honor. Every kind of household vessel has a use, but some are held in greater honor than others. In the passage's context honor is obtained via sanctification, by cleansing ourselves of dishonorable behavior so we become available for honorable use (verses 21 and 22).

 

[Ran77]

[VERSE=2 Timothy 2:18,ASV]men who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some.[/VERSE]
The verses leading to the verse in question have to do with keeping the faith and avoiding false doctrines such as believing that the resurrection had already taken place. This includes taking to heart the scriptures by Smith. Purging oneself of these false doctrines is the step one needs to take to become useful to the Lord. Rid oneself of the wood vessels. That's my take.

So the wood vessel is a false doctrine, or am I not understanding you correctly?

 

[Ran77]

They represent degrees of honor. Every kind of household vessel has a use, but some are held in greater honor than others. In the passage's context honor is obtained via sanctification, by cleansing ourselves of dishonorable behavior so we become available for honorable use (verses 21 and 22).

Thank you for the response.

 

[Masihi]

So the wood vessel is a false doctrine, or am I not understanding you correctly?

The surrounding verses speak on avoiding worthless arguments, vain chatter, false teachings or false doctrines. I do sense the wood vessels are all of these.

 

[Ran77]

The surrounding verses speak on avoiding worthless arguments, vain chatter, false teachings or false doctrines. I do sense the wood vessels are all of these.

Okay. Thank you for your response.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Within that context what do you feel is the significance of gold, silver, wood, and earth vessels?

Wasn't the Temple and Sanctuary in 1st century Jerusalem built with those?

Reve 9:20
and the rests of the men who not were killed in the blows these not repent out of the works of the hands of them,
that no they should be worshipping the demons, and the idols/eidwla <1497> of the gold and the silver and the brass/copper and the stone and the wood,
which neither to be seeing are able, nor to be hearing nor to be walking
[Exodus 20:4/1 John 5:21]

Rev 18:
10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: “ ‘Woe! Woe to you, great City, you mighty city of Babylon! In one hour your doom has come!’
12
cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble;

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm
DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM AND TEMPLE

.........................During the long siege a terrible famine raged in the city and the bodies of the inhabitants were literally stacked like cordwood in the streets. Mothers ate their children to preserve their own strength. The toll of Jewish suffering was horrible but they would not surrender the city. Again and again they attempted to trick the Romans through guile and perfidy. When at last the walls were breached Titus tried to preserve the Temple by giving orders to his soldiers not to destroy or burn it. But the anger of the soldiers against the Jews was so intense that, maddened by the resistance they encountered, they disobeyed the order of their general and set fire to the Temple.

There were great quantities of gold and silver there which had been placed in the Temple for safekeeping. This melted and ran down between the rocks and into the cracks of the stones. When the soldiers captured the Temple area, in their greed to obtain this gold and silver they took long bars and pried apart the massive stones. Thus, quite literally, not one stone was left standing upon another. The Temple itself was totally destroyed, though the wall supporting the area upon which the Temple was built was left partially intact and a portion of it remains to this day, called the Western Wall. (Ref. 2)


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[Ran77]

Wasn't the Temple and Sanctuary in 1st century Jerusalem built with those?

Reve 9:20
and the rests of the men who not were killed in the blows these not repent out of the works of the hands of them,
that no they should be worshipping the demons, and the idols/eidwla <1497> of the gold and the silver and the brass/copper and the stone and the wood,
which neither to be seeing are able, nor to be hearing nor to be walking
[Exodus 20:4/1 John 5:21]

Rev 18:
10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: “ ‘Woe! Woe to you, great City, you mighty city of Babylon! In one hour your doom has come!’
12
cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble;

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm
DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM AND TEMPLE

.........................During the long siege a terrible famine raged in the city and the bodies of the inhabitants were literally stacked like cordwood in the streets. Mothers ate their children to preserve their own strength. The toll of Jewish suffering was horrible but they would not surrender the city. Again and again they attempted to trick the Romans through guile and perfidy. When at last the walls were breached Titus tried to preserve the Temple by giving orders to his soldiers not to destroy or burn it. But the anger of the soldiers against the Jews was so intense that, maddened by the resistance they encountered, they disobeyed the order of their general and set fire to the Temple.

There were great quantities of gold and silver there which had been placed in the Temple for safekeeping. This melted and ran down between the rocks and into the cracks of the stones. When the soldiers captured the Temple area, in their greed to obtain this gold and silver they took long bars and pried apart the massive stones. Thus, quite literally, not one stone was left standing upon another. The Temple itself was totally destroyed, though the wall supporting the area upon which the Temple was built was left partially intact and a portion of it remains to this day, called the Western Wall. (Ref. 2)


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Interesting. Thank you for providing this information.