2 Thessalonians 2:4 Geography Question

[HannibalFlavius]

I can't even begin to understand the enormity of what Christ has done for me and for all men.. with respect to any demons He has cast out.

And I know now that greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world..

Once again, the context of this portion has nothing to do with demons being cast out of men, but rather the coming of Christ and His church being gathered to Him in that Day.. at the revelation of Jesus Christ..

Spiritualize it as you will, it's not going to change the context of this portion of scripture.

We know what happens in the last days.

A great falling away from Torah occurs.

Men follow the antichrist who stands against all that is called of God or that is worshipped.

A lawless teaching abounds about a Messiah who is lawless and whose followers are lawless, a teaching that is so convincing that even the very elect are almost fooled.


What is shows is a time in the end when everyone will call evil good and good evil and they will be proud to be lawless teaching lawlessness as a good thing, and this is the claim people make about a lawless Messiah who abolishes the law.

Is the gathering for the ones who have fallen away from Torah?

Is it the gathering of the lawless ones?



Daq is right but what he is saying is too hard to understand, nevertheless, there is a whole language that most don't see.

The workings of the kingdom of heaven.

 

[OneAccordRM]

We know what happens in the last days.

A great falling away from Torah occurs.

Men follow the antichrist who stands against all that is called of God or that is worshipped.

A lawless teaching abounds about a Messiah who is lawless and whose followers are lawless, a teaching that is so convincing that even the very elect are almost fooled.


What is shows is a time in the end when everyone will call evil good and good evil and they will be proud to be lawless teaching lawlessness as a good thing, and this is the claim people make about a lawless Messiah who abolishes the law.

Is the gathering for the ones who have fallen away from Torah?

Is it the gathering of the lawless ones?



Daq is right but what he is saying is too hard to understand, nevertheless, there is a whole language that most don't see.

The workings of the kingdom of heaven, and there are now 5 in a house.

Dont the Jews study the tanakh?


Why limit themselves to the Torah?


Arent you Jewish?

 

[Old Timer]

We know what happens in the last days.

A great falling away from Torah occurs.

Men follow the antichrist who stands against all that is called of God or that is worshipped.

A lawless teaching abounds about a Messiah who is lawless and whose followers are lawless, a teaching that is so convincing that even the very elect are almost fooled.


What is shows is a time in the end when everyone will call evil good and good evil and they will be proud to be lawless teaching lawlessness as a good thing, and this is the claim people make about a lawless Messiah who abolishes the law.

Is the gathering for the ones who have fallen away from Torah?

Is it the gathering of the lawless ones?



Daq is right but what he is saying is too hard to understand, nevertheless, there is a whole language that most don't see.

The workings of the kingdom of heaven, and there are now 5 in a house.

And who is the Lord going to destroy by the brightness of His coming?

That's right, the man of sin..

Connect it to the latter portion of Revelation 19 and we see the coming of Christ there with the beast and the false prophet gathering together their armies to make war against Him and those following Him..

NOW, either there are two distinct comings here or they are describing the same coming of Christ..

I believe that they are describing the same coming..

I hope that you're not going to spiritualize away the coming of Christ and suggest that it's not literal.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I agree with this wholeheartedly.. and I think that you're coming mostly from the reward side of the picture which is as you say, another thing entirely.

Great stuff, I just have a very difficult time hearing that the man of sin is within the body of Christ.. when the context of this portion doesn't pertain to the present, but rather the future coming of the Lord and our being gathered to Him.

Some people just want to go to heaven, and so they will die and go to heaven, but for overcomers having a chance to obtain the same promises that Jesus obtained from his father is different.


There is a difference in standing in the outer court and still being considered a gentile and a person who has progressed through the Holy place, to the Holy of holies.


We teach Jesus, and yeah, saved, no problem, but salvation is for suckers, and this is the truth.



The problem with not knowing the Torah and the comings and goings of the temple is that one can never see what the differences are, they just wanna be in there somewhere, but just being in there somewhere does get you reward.

And the difference between salvation and reward is HUGE.


People are sent to the outer court of darkness because they are still considered gentiles, and the court of outer darkness is a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth.


The measuring of the temple in Revelation 11 is a counting of people, those people in the two sections of the temple are counted and sealed, but the people considered gentiles who are not considered Israel are not counted.

This is a huge difference, but no problem, you die and go to heaven, and nobody doubts your salvation, but know that many will give birth to grown men that they have raised, they give birth as virgins on firstfruits and they follow Jesus into a new kingdom, he was the first born into a new kingdom.


THOSE people will reign and rule with Messiah, those overcomers.

This is a high goal and few will reach it, I have not reached it, but I can see the goal.


It is a sad thing that so many do not realize the race we are in, and there is no time.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

And who is the Lord going to destroy by the brightness of His coming?

That's right, the man of sin..

Connect it to the latter portion of Revelation 19 and we see the coming of Christ there with the beast and the false prophet gathering together their armies to make war against Him and those following Him..

NOW, either there are two distinct comings here or they are describing the same coming of Christ..

I believe that they are describing the same coming..

I hope that you're not going to spiritualize away the coming of Christ and suggest that it's not literal.

God comes to the inner man first and this is Judah, and the prophets proclaim the same thing, that God will come to Judah first.

But God has made a man out of a Jew and a Gentile, he made one man and your flesh is symbolic for Ephraim, while the inner man is of Judah.

Of course the man of sin catches fire when Jesus comes like the lightning, just as the lightning comes from the east, so too will God come to your inner man and he will be inside your body, your house, and the brightness of his coming to the inner man is going to melt the outside of EVERYONE.{Judah is in the East and Ephraim is in the west}

But some will be clothed with a new body after the brightness has scorched the body they had.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

August 5th 2014


What I am always looking to at this time of the year is the thought that maybe this year, the temple will burn.

I expect it every year, it's a frightening thing.



Fast of Tishah B'Av


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Jewish History




Exodus Generation Condemned to Die in Desert (1312 BCE)


On the Ninth of Av of the year 2449 from creation (1312 BCE), the generation of Jews who came out of Egypt under Moses' leadership 16 months earlier were condemned to die in the desert and the entry into the Land of Israel was delayed for 40 years.

As related in Numbers 14, when the Spies that Moses sent to the Land of Canaan returned with their disheartening report (see "Today in Jewish History" for yesterday, Av 8), the people wept all night -- the night of Av 9th -- proclaiming that they'd rather return to Egypt than attempt to conquer and settle it; G-d decreed that the entire generation would wander in the desert for 40 years until the last of them died out, and that their children, under the leadership of Joshua, will enter the land He promised as Israel's heritage.

This is the first of five national tragedies that occurred on Av 9 listed by the Talmud (Taanit 4:6), due to which the day was designated as a fast day. The other four are: the destruction of the two Temples, the fall of Betar, and the plowing over of Jerusalem. (see below)

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Holy Temples Destroyed (423 BCE and 69 CE)


Both the first and second Holy Temples which stood in Jerusalem were destroyed on Av 9: the First Temple by the Babylonians in the year 3338 from creation (423 BCE), and the second by the Romans in 3829 (69 CE).

The Temples' destruction represents the greatest tragedy in Jewish history, for it marks our descent into Galut--the state of physical exile and spiritual displacement in which we still find ourselves today. Thus the Destruction is mourned as a tragedy that affects our lives today, 2,000 years later, no less than the very generation that experienced it first hand.

 

[Old Timer]

God comes to the inner man first and this is Judah, and the prophets proclaim the same thing, that God will come to Judah first.

But God has made a man out of a Jew and a Gentile, he made one man and your flesh is symbolic for Ephraim, while the inner man is of Judah.

Of course the man of sin catches fire when Jesus comes like the lightning, just as the lightning comes from the east, so too will God come to your inner man and he will be inside your body, your house, and the brightness of his coming to the inner man is going to melt the outside of EVERYONE.{Judah is in the East and Ephraim is in the west}

But some will be clothed with a new body after the brightness has scorched the body they had.

As mentioned, what about the connection to revelation 19 and the coming of Christ there to take the beast and the false prophet who have gathered together their armies to make war against Him..

Are the beast and false prophet in the body of Christ also? How abouyt the armies who are gathered together to make war against Him... are they all inside us?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

As mentioned, what about the connection to revelation 19 and the coming of Christ there to take the beast and the false prophet who have gathered together their armies to make war against Him..

Are the beast and false prophet in the body of Christ also? How abouyt the armies who are gathered together to make war against Him... are they all inside us?

Hard questions, and if the truth were really told, who would believe it?

Sounds silly to me also.

Think about this for a while.


The Angel's Prophecy of Persia, Greece
…12Then he said to me, "Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to your words. 13"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. 14"Now I have come to give you an understanding


How could the Prince of the Kingdom of Persia withstand an angel even so another angel came to help him?

The is a spiritual warfare going on, and it makes one wonder where we came from, and why we are here, and why we are important in a spiritual warfare.


When the angel speaks of the Prince of the kingdom of Persia, is he speaking of a human?


But those things are big questions.


The only important question is simple, '' Do you really know Jesus?''

If you cannot name the 7 feast days of Christ, then please work on it.

Know what the feasts teach because they are each promises concerning YOU.



These 7 feast days are about YOUR HUSBAND.


Should you get to know your husband?


Those 7 feast days teach of YOUR marriage to a Jew, and they are YOUR instruction in what to do at the marriage feast, and all the processions that take place in any marriage.

Know Jesus, that's all I ever say.

What can hurt from seeking him out personally?

Having personal knowledge of him that many do not desire.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I think the simple truth is this, that there are many mansions{many bodies} in the kingdom of heaven, and we being female in the flesh holding a male spirit, we are given a seed to grow.

A child is placed within us and we have to raise that child on the milk of the word until it get grown and is able to eat the meat of the word.


And the evolution of it is the point, that we are all flesh, we marry God and he becomes the new male spirit that guides the body.

We are female because we are the body, but the goal is to go from being a female, even a virgin, to raising a full grown son{MALE}

And this means that there are many mansions{bodies} and different types of bodies in a million worlds, and realities.



If you have raised a full grown son who has drank the milk of the word and now eats the meat of the word, then HE TOO can become a male in the next life, and a male is a guiding spirit in a new body just as Jesus was.


Jesus promises the overcomers that they too will be given the same promises that were given to Jesus by his father.

But this is the very rare person, I am not a person who has become an overcomer although I am working on it.

I fed this body of flesh in my youth, I sought it's desires, but now I try and raise the other child, and everyone must raise that child.

Everyone who is called of God will raise whatever resurrection they have raised.


The question being, '' will you be standing on mount Zion with the 144,000 virgins who give birth on firstfruits?''


''Woe to those with children and weaning children.''

YOU raise your child, who else will?

 

[Old Timer]

Hard questions, and if the truth were really told, who would believe it?

Sounds silly to me also.

The revelation of Jesus Christ sounds silly to you?

Tell us what you believe the latter portion of Revelation 19 means.. if it sounds silly to you?

 

[Old Timer]

Or how about Matthew 25 where it speaks of the Lord coming and then sitting upon the throne of His glory..

Do you think that's make believe or something?

It seems to me that you want to spiritualize away reality and pretend that everything is only about what goes on within a believer..

Welcome to the real world..

 

[daq]

Or how about Matthew 25 where it speaks of the Lord coming and then sitting upon the throne of His glory..

Do you think that's make believe or something?

It seems to me that you want to spiritualize away reality and pretend that everything is only about what goes on within a believer..

Welcome to the real world..

Strange how no one of your mindset ever reads the Olivet Discourse, as it is written in the Gospel of Matthew, all the way to its conclusion. The final line of the discourse answers the question put forth in the opening of Matthew 24. However the answer is simply not conceivable or fathomable in the carnal mind of the beastly man.

Matthew 24:3
3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the talmidim came unto him of themselves, saying, "Foretell us when these things shall be? and what shall be the sign of thy parousias, and of the sunteleias-consummation of the aionos-age?

Matthew 26:1-2
1. And it came to pass, when Yeshua had finished all these sayings, he said to his talmidim:
2. "You know that with two days is the Passover; and the Son of man is surrendered up to be crucified!"

That is indeed the final statement of the Olivet Discourse and the answer to Matthew 24:3.

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So you see Hanni it is not possible to sit down and reason the precepts of the kingdom of heaven with a lion, a bear, a leopard, or a ravenous eagle. Will the lioness not kill and devour her prey? Will a she bear robbed of her cubs sit down and reason with you? Or can the leopardess change her spots? The lion, bear, leopard, and false prophet spirit must first be cast into the Limne tou Puros, (for the great molten Sea is for the priests to wash in). And once that kingdom is parted asunder the ravenous eagle shall be locked up so that the children may learn to walk; each in his or her own appointed times, (and none shall be alone in his appointed times, O Pelesheth so great of the flesh). Howl, O gate! Cry, O city! Thou whole Pelesheth art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times. What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the Most High has founded Zion; and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

 

[Old Timer]

Strange how no one of your mindset ever reads the Olivet Discourse, as it is written in the Gospel of Matthew, all the way to its conclusion. The final line of the discourse answers the question put forth in the opening of Matthew 24. However the answer is simply not conceivable or fathomable in the carnal mind of the beastly man.

Matthew 24:3
3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the talmidim came unto him of themselves, saying, "Foretell us when these things shall be? and what shall be the sign of thy parousias, and of the sunteleias-consummation of the aionos-age?

Matthew 26:1-2
1. And it came to pass, when Yeshua had finished all these sayings, he said to his talmidim:
2. "You know that with two days is the Passover; and the Son of man is surrendered up to be crucified!"

That is indeed the final statement of the Olivet Discourse and the answer to Matthew 24:3.

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So you see Hanni it is not possible to sit down and reason the precepts of the kingdom of heaven with a lion, a bear, a leopard, or a ravenous eagle. Will the lioness not kill and devour her prey? Will a she bear robbed of her cubs sit down and reason with you? Or can the leopardess change her spots? The lion, bear, leopard, and false prophet spirit must first be cast into the Limne tou Puros, (for the great molten Sea is for the priests to wash in). And once that kingdom is parted asunder the ravenous eagle shall be locked up so that the children may learn to walk; each in his or her own appointed times, (and none shall be alone in his appointed times, O Pelesheth so great of the flesh). Howl, O gate! Cry, O city! Thou whole Pelesheth art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times. What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the Most High has founded Zion; and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

Oh so that's what Matthew 25 and the coming of Christ is all about..

LOL... what a joke..

 

[Old Timer]

Let me guess, the beast and the false prophet are also in the body of Christ.. and the armies that are gathered together to make war against the Lamb..

All just spiritual things happening in the Christian..

LOL..

Talk about deception.. this is more like delusion I think..

 

[daq]

Let me guess, the beast and the false prophet are also in the body of Christ.. and the armies that are gathered together to make war against the Lamb..

All just spiritual things happening in the Christian..

LOL..

Talk about deception.. this is more like delusion I think..

Yes, as stated, deception and strong delusion to the carnal minded man who refuses to look into the mirror and say to the mountain staring back at himself: Get thee behind me Satan! Yes the carnal minded man is delusional believeing fairy tales concocted in the machinations of his vain imagination because he chose to believe the lie that the Word of Elohim does not apply to himself. And what does he do after nullifying the Word of Elohim as it applies to himself? Of course it is now up to himself to go about interpreting the same Word of Elohim for everyone else according to his own concocted phony replacement ideas from the machinations of his vain imagination. And what does he have to back up his position? Well of course he has a library full of illuminati twenty-spot, all seeing eye of Horus, paperback prophecy manuals full of food having been sacrificed to the almighty US greenback idols of the authors.

Oh so that's what Matthew 25 and the coming of Christ is all about..

LOL... what a joke..

You think the words of Messiah are a joke?
Show us all where the passage ends, O wise one:

Matthew 24:1 ~ 26:20 KJV
1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, [whoso readeth, let him understand:]
16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25. Behold, I have told you before.
26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33. So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49. And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50. The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
1. Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4. But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
14. For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15. And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16. Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17. And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18. But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19. After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20. And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21. His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22. He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23. His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24. Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25. And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27. Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
31. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32. And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36. Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38. When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39. Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40. And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43. I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
1. And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,
2. Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
3. Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,
4. And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtilty, and kill him.
5. But they said, Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar among the people.
6. Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper,
7. There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.
8. But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?
9. For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
10. When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
11. For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
12. For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial.
13. Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.
14. Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests,
15. And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.
16. And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him.
17. Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
18. And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.
19. And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.
20. Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.

Since you think this is a joke please quote this post and highlight in red the final statement at the very end of the Olivet Discourse for us all. Behold, he is wiser than Daniel: show us your wisdom, O head of gold! Show us the end of the discourse, O king!

 

[Old Timer]

No daq, just your words are a joke.

If you'd like to pretend that this is all some super spiritual exercise within the believer then go right ahead..

The Lord Jesus Christ is coming again, physically.. and literally.

Deny it til the cows come home.. It's not going to change the simple fact that THAT DAY is coming..

And yes, once again that is what the context of this portion is all about.

 

[Old Timer]

What are you going to spiritualize away next daq?

Maybe the gospel itself..

Maybe Christ didn't actually come literally in the flesh and die for the sin of the world.. There probably isn't a physical resurrection either right.. Maybe Jesus is some disembodied spirit floating around somewhere..

Anything goes here..

 

[daq]

No daq, just your words are a joke.

If you'd like to pretend that this is all some super spiritual exercise within the believer then go right ahead..

The Lord Jesus Christ is coming again, physically.. and literally.

Deny it til the cows come home.. It's not going to change the simple fact that THAT DAY is coming..

And yes, once again that is what the context of this portion is all about.

What are you going to spiritualize away next daq?

Maybe the gospel itself..

Maybe Christ didn't actually come literally in the flesh and die for the sin of the world.. There probably isn't a physical resurrection either right.. Maybe Jesus is some disembodied spirit floating around somewhere..

Anything goes here..

Still no answers from Pharaoh, king of Egypt, so great of flesh?
Perhaps this is another question that should be brought before the entire board?
Thanks for the great idea! What is the final statement of the Olivet Discourse?

 

[daq]

God is about to open his eyes on you in a few days, when he does, what will he find you doing?

Hanni son of an ephod how do you know this? Indeed there are many critical times when the Father will confirm the word of his servants but only when it is to the glory of the Father, (for the kingdom of the heavens comes with power!). Happy is the one who can say: No more a prophet am I; but a tiller of the 'adamah am I, for the Son of man purchased me from my youth!

 

[Danoh]

Daq, you began this thread on an unsustainable premise.

Perhaps because you approach these things intent on upholding your opposing view to begin with, in contrast to examining it.

As a result, the very premise with which you began this thread was off to begin with, as it lacked a bit more working your own math backwards before settling on its conclusion.

In Acts 18, for example, "Apollos... an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures" in fact, "instructed in the way of the Lord...fervent in the spirit... spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord," and yet "knowing only the baptism of John."

Here he's been, out and about in all that, teaching John's baptism YEARS after John decreased, YEARS after John's ministry ceased to be the focus, YEARS after Christ's increase, YEARS after the Crucifixion, believing his two and two is sound, and eloquent in it all.

While, in Acts 19, some disciples apparantly impacted by a message similar to Apollos, if not that very message itself, "have not so much as heard of... the Holy Ghost['s]" advent and or ministry.

The account there relates that, upon encountering, both Apollos, and these disciples, Aquilla, Prescilla, and Paul, "took" them "unto them and expounded the way of God more perfectly."

And in Paul's writings, he often relates his intent being bringing them up to speed on things that they might be established in those as well. Often, though not every time, the implcation is, that he had taught them what he is merely reminding them of by letter now.

To the Thessalonians and the Romans he writes that he is doing so that he might perfect them as to what might be lacking in their faith - in their understanding of the various details of that faith Paul preached which he alone uniquely referred to as "my gospel" and "that gospel that I preach among the Gentiles."

In all this, it is crystal clear obvious that God did not appear to have a problem with saints lacking certain details in their understanding of things those months these letters might take to reach some of them.

Per Romans 14 asserts how God handled this time delay issue.

Elsewhere, Paul writes that "God would have all men to saved, and to come unto the [epignosis, or full] knowledge of the truth" [which the Mystery solely preached and written of by Paul filled full God's intended revelation of His will to man with, Col. 1].

And yet, God obviously does not have a problem with the distance in time this important desire often takes to get from one port to another - obviously, sometimes decades!

I submit to you that your premise is wrong.

At the same time, anyone snickering at you,upon reading this, would do well to remind themselves, "this looking down at this individual proven wrong, is not the mark of walking in the Spirit - it is of legalism, thus its biting and devouring..."