2 Thess 2:12 teaches eternal security

[FreeGrace2]

There is a simple way of expressing this. Gods people stay with Him.

I much prefer how the Bible states it.

"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one (no person) can snatch them from My Father's hand."

The sign you are with God, is you stay with Him because sin and the world is abhorrent to you.

I think rejecting the clear teaching of John 10:28 is abhorrent.

And His sheep shall never perish.

But you don't really believe that, given all you've posted about it.

Your belief is someone can come to Christ and walk away, and not actually be fake or lost, but still in the Kingdom.

Here's what I believe: please pay attention. Those who come to Christ through faith in Him are given eternal life, and shall never perish. Period.

What said sheep do in the meantime becomes a family matter, where God applies painful discipline (Heb 12:11).

Their response was to say, if you stay faithful to Jesus you will be saved, and not if you walk away.

I'm so tired of all your opinions, and NONE that accompany any Scripture to back them up. Who are these "their" in your comment above? Where is any of this stated in Scripture?

Since you never answer these kind of questions, I'll answer for you. No where is where. Your stated opinions cannot be found in Scripture.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"No. Once saved, the believer is commanded to "grow up in relation to their salvation" (1 Pet 2:2), which is what you just aren't getting."

Hi Free, I am getting it.

No, you are not.

The issue is we are born by the Holy Spirit, born into grace.

Evidence right here that you are NOT getting it. No one is "born into grace".

We are saved BY GRACE, through faith. Eph 2:8 Not of works. Eph 2:9

You just keep on making these very unbiblical comments. We are not born into grace, but born INTO the family of God, becoming children of God. John 1:12, Gal 3:26.

The concept of eternal birth makes one indestructable.

That is precisely WHY Jesus said recipients of eternal life shall never perish. Because they won't.

The problem with this idea is nothing in our experience comes with this guarantee

What in the world does our "experience" have to do with our salvation? Nothing at all. But again, that's YOUR problem. You emote. Experience and feelings is all you've got. You certainly don't know the Bible, given all your gaffs.

 

[LightLoveHope]

No, you are not.

Hi Free,
So now you are a mind reader.
We do not chose to be saved. A sinner cannot chose to be a saint.
A sinner is lost, without hope, defeat, unable to reach the Lord or even know what the Lord means. It is His light, His gospel that gives us life from darkness, that causes the dawn. But when we see, when we look in mirror and see what we are, there is a choice.

In your view sinners can choose to reject Jesus. But equally how can you reject that which you do not know because you deeds are evil.
Our righteousness exists because we believe, we have faith that God looks on us with grace and forgives our sins. But if we lose this covering of faith we have nothing.

My experience of desiring to know forgiveness without repenting was interesting. Until I repented my heart felt convicted and heavy. Only after forgiveness did I find release.
So I was born by grace into grace. All that God does is full of love and mercy.

Now the strange idea about not losing ones salvation is when do you get it. People say when they believe. But is this a choice, because of conviction of sin, of seeing Christ as Lord, saviour, knowing through Him their sins are forgiven or just having a feeling Jesus needs to be believed in. I believe in cars, believe in orange juice, believe in the sun will rise, believe a news reader can read the news. What in Jesus believing does this save me, and mean I will not perish. And not perish from what? Dying a normal death, or a spiritual death, or just pain and suffering.

If believing makes one eternal, then how do you believe and are not eternal.
But I suspect this idea is an idea based on a sentence, but not a reality. If one claims your emotional life is not part of who we are, then equally this theory is as wrong and distorted. I speak about discovery, being a child and growing into a mature man or woman of God. Now as we grow in God, we are not theory governed, rather we are living people of heaven integrated into the people of God. On our hearts and minds is the law of God, not taught by man but imprinted on who we are.

And why did Jesus have to wait until His disciples confessed He was the Son of God for themselves, rather than just say, believe in me and you are eternally sealed. Because it is about being a child of God and walking in His ways out of free will. And we only truly see what this is by walking in His ways. So the reality is we are not truly saved, made complete until the end. And this is what Jesus is saying, it is a process, a walk, that is eternal, never ending. Miss the walk and miss everything. This is the eternal message and testimony, which you seem to reject for an easy believism of everything is ok as you are.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Message to the world.

You are really all saved, just a coat of saying the right words, believing this drawing saves you, and the whole world is saved. But the world is just the same except for a few words.

Now if the reality is you are saved because you believe in Jesus, and through believing you put into action His commands, fulfilling the law, living in love and being His ambassadors on earth, living pure, holy blameless lives, then part of heaven has come to live on earth through His people. Now that is real change, and bringing life where there was death, light where there was darkness, hope where there was only defeat. This is the promise of Jesus to us through the cross, love that transforms that becomes through the Holy Spirit who we are. Thank you Jesus. Amen.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Miss the walk and miss everything.

Acts 16:31~~New American Standard Bible
They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Gal 1:8~~New American Standard Bible
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

2 Cor 11~~ 12But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting. 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

 

[JLB777]

What I know is that you don't believe what Jesus said in Jn 10:28. How is that honest?

What does John 10:28 say?

Since you don’t post scripture, but only scripture references or parts of verses with words left.

LOL!


You are the text book example of a false teacher.

A true deceiver.


JLB

 

[FreeGrace2]

Hi Free,
So now you are a mind reader.
We do not chose to be saved. A sinner cannot chose to be a saint.

I must say, it seems you go out of your way to demonstrate such ignorance of Scripture.

Philippian jailer asked Paul and company:
He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

Paul's answer:
They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

You need to start reading the Bible. It will open your eyes.

A sinner is lost, without hope, defeat, unable to reach the Lord or even know what the Lord means.

The jailer refutes your opinion.

In your view sinners can choose to reject Jesus.

Hm. Expressing more ignorance of the Bible, I see.

This is what the Bible says:
Acts 14:2 - But the Jews who refused to believe stirred up the other Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brothers.
Acts 19:9 - But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the lecture hall of Tyrannus.
2 Thess 2:10 - and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
Heb 12:25 - See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven?
Rev 16:9,11 - 9 They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.
11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

The only way to refuse something is to be ABLE TO ACCEPT it. If something cannot be chosen or accepted, then there is NO ISSUE in refusing it.

For example, you cannot refuse to jump straight up 10 feet off the ground on your own power. Because you are unable to do that, you can't refuse to do that.

So, once again, your opinions are refuted by Scripture.

Start reading the Bible. It will open your eyes. Wide.

 

[FreeGrace2]

What does John 10:28 say?

27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

OK, for the color coded explanation.

The red words identify who will be given eternal life.
The blue words are a description of what His sheep DO.
The green words are a statement of the CAUSE of possessing eternal life.
The purple words are a statement of the EFFECT of possessing eternal life.
The brown words is a summary statement of eternal security.

There it is, in FULL COLOR. v.27 identifies the recipients of eternal life.
v.28 is the CAUSE and EFFECT of having eternal life.

You are free to provide an explanation of how my explanation is incorrect, if you are able to do that.

Since you don’t post scripture, but only scripture references or parts of verses with words left.

Since you seem to cherish LYING so much, why not rather just figure out for yourself what John 10:27 and 28 mean.

You are the text book example of a false teacher.

A true deceiver.
JLB

I believe what Jesus said in John 10:27,28. Unlike you.

So, are you comfortable insinuating that Jesus is a false teacher and a true deceiver?

Wowsers! I wouldn't want to stand anywhere near you in a thunderstorm.

I await your scholarly explanation of how and why my color coded explanation of John 10:27,28 is in error.

Feel free to use your own color coding, for ease of following your explanation and points made.

 

[LightLoveHope]

The jailer refutes your opinion.

The jailers heart was opened by God.
The hope was brought to life seeing Paul.
Again you simply take a summary of the interaction and start making doctrine out of it without applying the knowledge we have in Jesus. If I tell the story of buying the ingredients to a cake and then declare the cake has been made with just the ingredients bought, that is ludicrous. You need to know the art of mixing to a recipe and then cooking it. But in your world the buying of the ingredients is all there is.

And also here is the problem you have. You are interpreting scripture in one way and I another. Now if we accept the Lord is one and His Spirit leads us into all truth, and I am holding we are to walk in holiness and purity, as Jesus walked, who is denying this?

And this has been the problem from the beginning. You do not want Gods will on earth, because you do not believe it is His will to bring this about or even it is possible in your life.

For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you and asking God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all spiritual wisdom and understanding.
Col 1:9

And this is my point. You wish to deny His will and how He works, which has not changed sin Adam and Eve, but for you it has, which indicates you are not actually following His will or His ways.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Since you seem to cherish LYING so much, why not rather just figure out for yourself what John 10:27 and 28 mean.

Sad you use this language so freely.
Those who abide in Christ will not perish.
Those who wonder away, and go into darkness, will perish.

It is really this obvious and simple. You want to make God into an appeaser of sinners and the rebellious who at some point where friends with God. But so was every angel before they became a demon, and there is no way back for them.

 

[FreeGrace2]

The jailers heart was opened by God.

Does Scripture say that? No, it doesn't. The jailer was made aware of salvation by a demon possessed slave girl:

Acts 16-
16 Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling.
17 She followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.”
18She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.

The hope was brought to life seeing Paul.

What are you talking about?

Again you simply take a summary of the interaction and start making doctrine out of it without applying the knowledge we have in Jesus.

There was no "summary" as you opine. The jailer asked Paul a direct question and Paul gave the jailer a straight forward answer, but it seems an answer you don't like much.

If I tell the story of buying the ingredients to a cake and then declare the cake has been made with just the ingredients bought, that is ludicrous.

Is that because you used some ingredients that you already had and didn't have to buy? Your "analogy" falls apart.

You need to know the art of mixing to a recipe and then cooking it.

But in your world the buying of the ingredients is all there is.

It is simply pathetic to try to compare salvation to the "art of mixing to a recipe".

And also here is the problem you have.

I don't have a problem. I know the Bible. You have the problem. You don't know the Bible.

You are interpreting scripture in one way and I another.

You haven't intrerpreted anything. You just give your opinions, and FAIL to provide any verse that says what you feel.

Now if we accept the Lord is one and His Spirit leads us into all truth, and I am holding we are to walk in holiness and purity, as Jesus walked, who is denying this?

How can anyone "walk in holiness and purity" ALL THE WHILE REJECTING what Jesus said about recipients of eternal life?

And this has been the problem from the beginning. You do not want Gods will on earth, because you do not believe it is His will to bring this about or even it is possible in your life.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Nor authority to make any claim about what I want. Your conclusions are worse than pathetic.

For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you and asking God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all spiritual wisdom and understanding.
Col 1:9

Did you notice that Paul noted "KNOWLEDGE of His will through ALL spiritual wisdom and understanding"?

iow, Paul wasn't interested in feelings and emotions.

And this is my point. You wish to deny His will and how He works, which has not changed sin Adam and Eve, but for you it has, which indicates you are not actually following His will or His ways.

Again, your conclusions about what I "wish to deny" is worse than pathetic.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said this to JLB;
"Since you seem to cherish LYING so much, why not rather just figure out for yourself what John 10:27 and 28 mean."

Sad you use this language so freely.

Didn't you read his LIE? I was just being direct and honest with him.

Those who abide in Christ will not perish.

OK, quote any verse that says this. Or quit making these false claims.

Those who wonder away, and go into darkness, will perish.

Since Jesus was extremely clear about recipients of eternal life shall never perish, your emotional opinion is unbiblical and is rejected.

It is really this obvious and simple.

Yes, I agree. Your emotions are not lined up with Scripture at all.

You want to make God into an appeaser of sinners and the rebellious who at some point where friends with God.

This is just nonsense and worse than pathetic.

 

[LightLoveHope]

OK, quote any verse that says this. Or quit making these false claims.

Can you read. You quote John 10:28 so much.
You have eternal life if you are His sheep. His sheep listen to Him and follow Him.

So if one day you wake up and stop listening and stop following it has all died, or you were doing it all for different reasons than love of Jesus.

So I can quote the same verses as you and have different outcomes.
And Jesus tells us we are in the vine, we are the branches. But we can wither and die if we stop abiding in Him. So again how can you honestly say this is a false claim.

I admit that you interpret verses and theology differently to me. Why can you not admit the same back? Or is this the point. You cannot admit the truth, because that would suggest another believer who loves the Lord and walks with Him thinks differently over certain points. But that has always been the case, in my life with Jesus, as I have grown, certain ideas have changed and some become stronger. I do not judge others for their walk and their insight, but rejoice with them that we have the same Lord and the Spirit dwells in both of us.

Have you this grace for me?

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said this:
"OK, quote any verse that says this. Or quit making these false claims."

in response to what you said:
"Those who abide in Christ will not perish."

Can you read. You quote John 10:28 so much.

Well, where's the verse that supports your claim about abiding?

And what's wrong with quoting very clear verses? Do they bother you? Or better; why do they bother YOU so much?

You have eternal life if you are His sheep. His sheep listen to Him and follow Him.

The EFFECT of having eternal life is never perishing.

Your view is different from the Bible. You think those who keep listening and following Him won't perish. But Jesus NEVER said that.

And since you didn't provide any verse that supports your claim, we know that there aren't any. Or you would have provided at least one.

So if one day you wake up and stop listening and stop following it has all died, or you were doing it all for different reasons than love of Jesus.

Why do you NOT believe what Jesus said so clearly?

So I can quote the same verses as you and have different outcomes.

Anyone an do that. So what? But your different outcome is contrary to what Jesus said so clearly.

And Jesus tells us we are in the vine, we are the branches. But we can wither and die if we stop abiding in Him. So again how can you honestly say this is a false claim.

Of course I don't. In John 15, Jesus used the word "abide" in the sense of RECIPROCAL RELATIONSHIP. Other words for this are FELLOWSHIP, COMMUNION, INTIMACY.

I admit that you interpret verses and theology differently to me.

I simply accept them as stated. You twist them into something they DON'T MEAN.

Why can you not admit the same back?

Again, I take the verses straight forward, unlike yourself.

You cannot admit the truth, because that would suggest another believer who loves the Lord and walks with Him thinks differently over certain points.

Not just "different". In TOTAL CONTRARINESS.

But that has always been the case, in my life with Jesus, as I have grown, certain ideas have changed and some become stronger. I do not judge others for their walk and their insight, but rejoice with them that we have the same Lord and the Spirit dwells in both of us.

Bottom line is that your opinion is in direct CONFLICT with what Jesus said.

But, apparently, that doesn't bother you one bit.

Have you this grace for me?

There's always grace for everyone. But I am only pointing out the obvious; that you DON'T agree with Jesus.

 

[JLHargus]

The flaw here is to think that one who HAS eternal life can die spiritually. There is no evidence for that in the Bible. Those who believe are born again, or made spiritually alive, and cannot EVER die spiritually again. Everyone is born that way. So your view is that eternal life can die. Ludicrous.

Yes it would be ludicrous to say eternal life can die. Eternal life is God’s life. A Christian receives the gift of eternal life=God’s life, when indwelled by the Holy Spirit at baptism making the body a temple of God. As with any gift one is free to do with it as they choose, reject it, accept it or throw it away defiling the temple of God through a sin that brings forth death.

[1Cor3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.]

[1Cor6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.]

The Holy Spirit cannot remain in a defiled temple.

JL originally posted [Jms1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.]

In order for sin to bring forth death the one who sins must first have eternal life to die spiritually. Those who do not have eternal life are already spiritually dead. [/quote]

Do you think this verse rerfers to spiritual death? Why would you? Human beings are BORN spiritually DEAD and in need of being born again.

JL: Exactly as you posted; [b]“Human beings are BORN spiritually DEAD and in need of being born again.”[/b] They can’t spiritually die when already spiritually dead. So clearly James can only be speaking of those who have spiritual life, born again. Sin can’t bring forth death to the dead.[/quote][/QUOTE]

Scripture from KJV public domain Biblegateway

 

[JLHargus]

Original post JL: [Hb6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.]

I said this: ""Having looked over all the Scriptures, it is clear that there is NO CLEAR STATEMENT about salvation being lost. None. By unclear, there is no plain language about losing salvation. One has to assume that. First, we have to ask, ["it's impossible for WHAT?" The answer is "to renew them again unto repentance".

However, the Greek word for 'repent' means "change of mind". So the passage is about those saved Jews who had or were going to return to the Law and its sacrifices. It is impossible for them to change their mind about their view of the levitical sacrificial system. That's all. Again, salvation isn't even mentioned. Must less losing anything.

JL: Yes as you post above it is about those saved Jews who had or were going to return to the Law and its sacrifices. If OSAS why warn believing Christians against falling away if it can't happen? How can non-believers,fall away from something they didn't have? How could non-believers be renewed to something they haven't first possessed, they can't. They simply remain dead in their fallen state, So we agree Hb6:4-6 is addressing saved born again Christian Jews

Hebrews is speaking to born again Jewish Christians warning them of once saved Jewish Christians guilty of apostasy, returning to Judaism. They will not find salvation in anyone other than Christ. It is impossible to be renewed to repentance apart from Christ there is no other sacrifice or name under heaven by which men can be saved. The OT sacrifices can’t renew.

[Hb10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12-25 …. 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?]

[1Tm4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;] All Scripture KJV public domain Biblegateway

 

[LightLoveHope]

Your view is different from the Bible

Hi Free,

Do you know what being graceful is? It is admitting the truth about yourself and others.
Many bible schools with committed and Spirit filled believers who teach people how to be pastors and teachers, disagree on security and predestination. They know their friends and brothers in the Lord read the same verses with a different view and conviction.

It is a test of your real love to know people have differing views and it does not matter if they love the Lord and follow His ways.

This is where you are divisive. You cannot take this step. And therein lies your spiritual problem which indicates more about you and your own indoctrination rather than loving people in the Lord. John exhorts us, we know we love God because we love our brothers.

In the congregation of our church we have brethren, anglicans, charismatics, open heaven, conservative and liberal believers. But they all come to worship Jesus each sunday. There is no formula that will make these people one way or the other, but slowly the Spirit of God moves and changes them. It is this I want to see, moving forward in our walks, and seeing love working out in us. All the rest of things will pass away when the Lord is among us. Amen.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Not just "different". In TOTAL CONTRARINESS.

This sentence summaries the fanatic. A person is 99% the same as another in their outlooks, way of life, things they are committed to, worship, prayer etc. yet one issue becomes you are the opposite to me.

To convince someone of this, you have to get them to ignore everything in life, and say in effect all that is irrelevant, it is just this one point that matters. This is the Flat Earth phenomenon. Facts on longer matter, everyone is a liar and conspirator, unless you believe x, because not believing x makes you a liar.

I seriously thought flat Earthers did not exist. Until I met them on a forum.
It was interesting talking to them. Except when simple facts, like the guy who went to the edge of space to free fall back to earth, are all lies, fake. Or GPS and locating any point on the surface of earth through satellites, which you can show working on your phone. Or how the sun rises and sets at different places indicating where you are on the globe.

So Free is just like these guys.
Facts and rationality leave the room. They are nice people, but this is their delusion.

And you know they have passed over into this behaviour when they suggest things are actually completely different than they appear. No. What is different is the delusion that this is true so their way of thinking can continue despite facts showing they are wrong.

 

[LightLoveHope]

When you buy a car, does the guarantee matter, or whether the car does not rust and fall apart?

Guarantees are a promise from the maker to put right a problem if it fails. They show the giver of the promise is so convinced of their offer, they will deliver.

But what actually matters is the reality itself.
When the guarantee becomes more important than reality, delusion has taken over.
Anyone can promise anything, but if the object fails it is a false promise.

So if Jesus promises by walking in His ways you will never perish, and some guy says, no it means you will never perish and does not walk in His ways, and perishes, he has just been deluded about the promise, and did not understand its meaning.

Everyone knows sin destroys. Sin is rebellion against life, love and God.
So when Jesus says you will never perish, He talking about the fruit of believing in Him and following His ways. It is a big promise, one of victory over sin, one of eternal life come to man, one of eternity being indwelling in the believer. To then say all this is overthrown by not perishing, is denying the truth of life, and God.

If we are robots with switches to be righteous and good, because God flipped the switch, then that is what we would be. But there is no switch, only the way, the path to heaven.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Emotions

It is this issue that defines do we know ourselves or just live in darkness.
To know ones emotions, weaknesses, strengths, is to be free.

My son had a serious phobia about blood and needles. He would actually faint.
Now to cope, he had to recognise his reaction to the stimulus, and then put in place calming strategies of reducing his reaction, until it was brought into the world of coping.

Blood and needles are a problem for everyone, and we need to be careful.
I had a fear of heights. It was triggered by how things looked and what my security was in. I worked out a way of rethinking through how I felt until my emotions settled down. I can do wall climbing, and look down from 40ft up and be ok. I will react, but with my strategies put in place every time, I am free to go climbing.

Jesus gave us the keys of our hearts, to be free, to put in place all our feelings in their appropriate place. Those who deny this is critical to our walk and our life are simply deluded and controlled by their feelings.

An emotionally repressed person always denies feelings, and has no clue what the chaos is inside them, only that they ignore it. And this is the problem. Their feelings are in control and guide all their thinking in certain ways to keep them happy even though they will deny this all the time. And you will find delusional beliefs all through their life, and behaviour they will say never happens when it does.

In Jesus we are free, because there is nothing to fear within ourselves or in the world. Amen.