2 Thess 2:12 teaches eternal security

[FreeGrace2]

Yes it is those who hear His voice and follow Him that are qualified as sheep.

There is nothing in John 10:27 that says this opinion of yours. We KNOW who are qualified to be Jesus' sheep. That is found in v.9 - I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.They will come in and go out, and find pasture.

Here, Jesus uses the metaphor of entering through a gate (Himself) for faith in who He is and what He has done for mankind individually.

Hear means listen and obey.

OK.

Those who listen for a while then begin to stray away, end up becoming lost.

Except you have no support from Scripture for your man made opinion.

In fact, Jesus refutes your man made opinion in v.28 - "and I give them eternal life and they shall never perish". Nothing about having to NOT stray away.

His sheep who become lost, must repent, turn back to Him, are remain lost.

Your mixing of metaphors and contexts doesn't help you at all.

Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

• A brother who wanders from the truth, is a sinner in need of repentance, or he will perish.

JLB

Those with spiritual discernment and can therefore rightly divide the word of truth, per 2 Tim 2:15, understand that James 5:19-20 is about saving a fellow believer from God's discipline of physical death.

It's still amazing to me that anyone who has read John 10:28 STILL sees conditions for believers to meet in order to not perish.

How sad. But it is clear that your persistent resistance to the truth shows that you have become so hardened that you actually REFUSE TO BELIEVE what Jesus taught.

Oh, and you didn't bother to address my color coded points of explanation for both John10:27 and v.28. Why is that? Too difficult?

 

[JLHargus]

However, the Greek word for 'repent' means "change of mind". So the passage is about those saved Jews who had or were going to return to the Law and its sacrifices. It is impossible for them to change their mind about their view of the levitical sacrificial system. That's all. Again, salvation isn't even mentioned. Must less losing anything.

JL: Yes as you admit and post above those in Hb6:4-6 are saved Jews who had or were going to return to the Law. If OSAS why warn believing Christians against falling away if it can't happen?

[Hb6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.]

If OSAS why warn believing Christians against falling away if it can't happen? How can non-believers,fall away from something they didn't have? How could non-believers be renewed to something they haven't first possessed, they can't. They simply remain dead in their fallen state, So we agree Hb6:4-6 is addressing saved born again Christian Jews

 

[LightLoveHope]

It's still amazing to me that anyone who has read John 10:28 STILL sees conditions for believers to meet in order to not perish.

How sad. But it is clear that your persistent resistance to the truth shows that you have become so hardened that you actually REFUSE TO BELIEVE what Jesus taught.

These words above are full of emotional bias. How dare you not believe what Jesus taught. There is no humbleness looking at the different perspectives people take, with the aim to let the Holy Spirit to talk to their hearts.

All the cults focus on "We have the right view, read this book, listen to these teachers."
And they always fail on one core issue, loving people and walking righteously. Things fall into place once you know the problems in peoples lives are and what we are really searching for. Confusion comes when other agendas come in and false teachers desire to have power and influence. We have one teacher, Jesus and one guide, the Holy Spirit.

The deluded always ignore the counter arguments because they solve the power of the argument by just ignoring it. In a prosperous society where evil is hidden in wealth and self indulgence, it is hard to tell those who are sinners from those who love, so false teachers can spread and desire to tare others apart. So see their thorns and thistles and look for those who call us to the ways of Jesus.

Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
1 Corinthians 11:1

For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thessalonians 4:7

I know security in Christ in knowing the cross and its power. Yet it is not this security which distinguishes me from others, but Gods love flowing from my heart like streams of living water.

Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him
John 7:38

 

[LightLoveHope]

How did Jesus say we will know who are His?
Because they have security or because the love one another?

By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another
John 13:35

So if anyone comes and does not love Jesus's disciples they are not from God.
John put it like this

We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death.
1 John 3:14

If someone claims to know Jesus but does not know love, does not know Jesus.
So without love we are nothing and can do nothing.

 

[FreeGrace2]

JL: Yes as you admit and post above those in Hb6:4-6 are saved Jews who had or were going to return to the Law. If OSAS why warn believing Christians against falling away if it can't happen?

What you seem to misunderstand is that falling away from the faith is NOT the same as losing salvation. That is just a common misconception.

If ceasing to believe leads a saved person to lose salvation, then what Jesus said in John 10:28 CANNOT BE TRUE, because He gave no conditions for recipients of eternal life to meet in order to not perish.

iow, the ONLY condition for not perishing is to receive eternal life. That's what Jesus meant in John 10:28.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"It's still amazing to me that anyone who has read John 10:28 STILL sees conditions for believers to meet in order to not perish.

How sad. But it is clear that your persistent resistance to the truth shows that you have become so hardened that you actually REFUSE TO BELIEVE what Jesus taught."

These words above are full of emotional bias.

I'd greatly appreciate if you would actually point out those so-called "emotionally biased" words in what I posted. Because I wasn't feeling any emotion when I posted.

How dare you not believe what Jesus taught.

Actually, how dare YOU not believe what Jesus taught.

There is no humbleness looking at the different perspectives people take, with the aim to let the Holy Spirit to talk to their hearts.

What is absolutely clear is that when one takes a contrary view of what Jesus taught, there is NO WAY the Holy Spirit is talking to their hearts.

All the cults focus on "We have the right view, read this book, listen to these teachers."

Maybe you didn't know, but everyone thinks their own view is correct. It would be insane to have a view and not believe it's true.

However, the only way to determine (discern) the truth is to compare one's view with what the Bible says. That settles it.

And they always fail on one core issue, loving people and walking righteously.

Are you kidding? Cults fail on nearly EVERY issue. Esp the issue of salvation.

Things fall into place once you know the problems in peoples lives are and what we are really searching for.

Problems in people's lives have NO RELEVANCE to understanding God's word. It's only God's word that solves people's problems.

And it's not my issue to care for what people are "really searching for". If they want the truth, I'm happy to show them. If they aren't "really searching for" truth, then I can't help them.

Confusion comes when other agendas come in and false teachers desire to have power and influence.

Confusion always reigns when "other agendas come in" and when "false teachers" come in.

We have one teacher, Jesus and one guide, the Holy Spirit.

Then why don't you believe the Teacher? He said those He gives eternal life shall never perish. Your view is quite different from His.

The deluded always ignore the counter arguments because they solve the power of the argument by just ignoring it.

Hm. Sounds like your style.

Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
1 Corinthians 11:1

How can one follow Christ when they DON'T BELIEVE what He teaches?

For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thessalonians 4:7

How can you call one's life "holy" when they DON'T BELIEVE what Jesus teaches?

I know security in Christ in knowing the cross and its power.

How can you, when you have expressed your opinion that a saved person can perish?

Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him
John 7:38

But do you really believe what He teaches? You've made it abundantly clear that you don't.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Except you have no support from Scripture for your man made opinion.

Here is a person claiming God gives them grace but cannot give grace to others.
Jesus message is about reaching peoples heart through love, humbleness, meekness, truth, sacrifice, compassion, empathy.

This extends to all who interpret scripture in different ways.
But if ones heart is set, and love does not desire to reach out and respect where people are for good reasons, then the gospel has not touched such a heart, and whatever they are sharing is ideas based on compromising the response to God so we stay as we are and God accepts us, and changes us without our cooperation, in a way not part of scripture or anything shown in scripture.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Here is a person claiming God gives them grace but cannot give grace to others.

Why should you expect grace when you blatantly reject what Jesus taught on eternal security?

Was Paul giving grace to false teachers?
Titus 1:10-13
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13This witness is true. Wherefore** rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

Paul describes some as "unruly, vain talkers and deceivers".

Then he says their "mouths must be stopped" and to "rebuke them sharply".

There's a time for love and gentleness and a time for being blunt and tough. Paul knew the difference, and so do I.

Jesus message is about reaching peoples heart through love, humbleness, meekness, truth, sacrifice, compassion, empathy.

Jesus also knew how to rebuke erroneous people.

 

[LightLoveHope]

I wasn't feeling any emotion when I posted.

We feel emotions all the time. When I was younger I was only aware what is was expressing that seemd ok, but when my mood changed, I saw how angry, or sad, or happy the words were said with. At the time it just seemed fine to me.

Unless you can work out why someone might not agree with ones position and how they feel about their view, then one can see the truth of the situation.

Now imagine the truth was different from your interpretation. This would cause you trauma because it would mean you accusation against people like myself would be wrong, and many experiences in your life would have to be worked through again. That creates bias. I have witnessed to people who though they saw the truth of Jesus the impact on them and their relationships was too great for them to accept it and follow.

For some to accept Jesus is risking their life and they may well be killed. That means one must be very certain you want to go down that road. So bias is often a difficult thing to spot, but the obvious sign of it, is the inability of seeing all positions.

 

[FreeGrace2]

We feel emotions all the time.

You have no idea. You are too tied up in your own emotions to know reality.

Unless you can work out why someone might not agree with ones position and how they feel about their view, then one can see the truth of the situation.

No, the "truth of the situation" is determined by which view, if either, agrees with Scripture.

So far, your views don't agree with Scripture.

Now imagine the truth was different from your interpretation. This would cause you trauma because it would mean you accusation against people like myself would be wrong, and many experiences in your life would have to be worked through again.

Absolutely wrong. My past experiences do NOT have to be "worked through again". But that's the problem with your obsessive focus on your emotions. You see life through your many emotions. I see life through the Word of God.

That creates bias.

Your bias is quite clear.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Why should you expect grace when you blatantly reject what Jesus taught on eternal security?

This is the problem my friend. Your definition of truth contradicts Gods character and His dealings with man. It is seductive to believe that we just need to believe Jesus, and that is it, except believing someone is actually hearing them and being called to action.

If you deny the very action Jesus calls us to, you are not believing Him.
Why go to a doctor? So he can see the medical problem, diagnose a solution and as a patient, do what we are told to do.

It is pointless going to a doctor if you stay as you are and ignore their message.
Years ago I used to read scripture and know the power of the sentences but would not be able to talk through its implications. But now I can.

If you want to be a dispensationalist, and we are now in the dispensation of the church, then that is fine. But denying other believers hold a different view, is very agressive.

That is why I say your intention is not good. The sad conclusions of your words is to discourage me in my walk, in my prayer life, in my witness, in my praise and worship.

Jesus's approach to people who do this to His people He says this,

Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come.
It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.
So watch yourselves. "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.
luke 17:1-3

 

[LightLoveHope]

You have no idea. You are too tied up in your own emotions to know reality.

I do not know how you can imagine your statements are true.

Here is a quote from time magazine
However, what we learn in our society is not how to work with our emotions, but how to block and avoid them. We do it quite well: Between alcohol use, prescription drug use and screen time, there are a multitude of ways to avoid our feelings. When we do acknowledge them, we swat them away with mantras learned since childhood. (“Mind over matter,” “get a grip” and “suck it up” are familiar ones.) Thwarting emotions is not good for mental or physical health. It’s like pressing on the gas and brakes of your car at the same time, creating an internal pressure cooker.

Talk to anyone involved in counselling and dealing with people who ignore or avoid themselves acknowledging emotion, it destroys them.

So I cannot for one minute take you seriously. If you had been involved with anyone with mental illness or family psychology, you will discover we have to recognise the very foundations of our relationships and bonds one with another, and how they control and mold what we are. It can be shown we repeat the emotional setup we grow up in in our families into our own families as parents. I have only seen Jesus changing this cycle and bringing in real change and growth through open hearts and love with honesty and integrity working its way through.

In my church 3 of my friends have gone into counselling because it is so obvious this is one way to really help out and show love and support with people who are suffering trauma and even with faith find it hard to find a way through.

It makes me wonder when you if ever are going to just pause, and question yourself about your assumptions, and humble yourself, like all of us have to do, daily, before the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.

 

[LightLoveHope]

What is the danger of seeing all positions?

You might discover the position one holds is not the best alternative.
That requires a change, a cost, a shifting of the many balances we have in life.

Imagine I drive cars very fast and take risks daily. Then one day I see a massive
car accident and come to realise my reactions are not quick enough and I could be
dead as quickly as I see those around me.

Now if I do not change, I will be dead, because that is the truth I have seen.
I will have to change how I drive and assess risk.

I had an accident in a car where I missed checking one thing. It shook me up for
at least a year. I found driving difficult and started questioning everything I did.
It was strange that one failure, in one situation, had this effect on me.

The issues we seemingly so lightly talk about, and condemn someone for a few words
expressed demonstrate the lack of importance both the words and ideas are held in,
and how devastating getting these issues wrong is.

I have been with people who pop drugs like they are immune to consequences, and years
later their broken lives are what results. We are very fragile, and in our strength often
speak like nothing can touch us. I know how the opposite is true, and even one bad
conversation can have long lasting implications.

When Jesus says this,
Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
Matt 7:24-25

We do not have to fully understand the how and why, but just Jesus is saying this is life.
So let us learn how to walk in His ways, and speak from an open, loving, humble heart, knowing it is this that Jesus speaks to us, and calls us to follow.

"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth"
Matt 5:5

What I have found odd, is when I am accused of being self-righteous testifying like this to Jesus and His word. Rather this is the way of light, and it is open to all, no matter how lost and defeated you feel yourself to be. Through love and repentance, Jesus will make a way with His Holy Spirit ministering to your heart.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I asked you:
"Why should you expect grace when you blatantly reject what Jesus taught on eternal security?"

This is the problem my friend.

The problem is that you don't answer my questions. Your tangents are not answers.

Your definition of truth contradicts Gods character and His dealings with man.

Where did I "define" truth? And how does this in any way relate to my question to you?

It is seductive to believe that we just need to believe Jesus, and that is it, except believing someone is actually hearing them and being called to action.

I never said "just believe Jesus and that's it". Why do you persist in mischaracterizing my view? In addition to believing in Jesus Christ for salvation, we need to stop grieving and quenching the Holy Spirit, we need to be filled with the Spirit and walk by the Spirit, which is the ONLY WAY to live the Christian life.

If you deny the very action Jesus calls us to, you are not believing Him.

What have I denied? Again, you are simply mischaracterizing my view.

btw, to "not believe Him" is what YOU have done by believing that a saved person can perish.

Why go to a doctor? So he can see the medical problem, diagnose a solution and as a patient, do what we are told to do.

For spiritual problems, we need to go to Scripture. Not focus on our "feelings" about it.

It is pointless going to a doctor if you stay as you are and ignore their message.

Yes. And it's just as pointless to read what Jesus said about eternal security and NOT believe it.

Years ago I used to read scripture and know the power of the sentences but would not be able to talk through its implications. But now I can.

You've shown no evidence of that.

If you want to be a dispensationalist, and we are now in the dispensation of the church, then that is fine. But denying other believers hold a different view, is very agressive.

Why are you dodging the real issue here, of eternal security? I never mentioned dispensations. You need to FACE the FACT that your view is in direct CONTRADICTION with what Jesus taught. And why does that not bother you?

If I discovered a verse that directly contradicted a view I held, I would do some very deep soul searching and REPENT of my unbiblical view.

That is why I say your intention is not good.

Your judgment regarding my view, intentions, and motivations have been incorrect from the start.

The sad conclusions of your words is to discourage me in my walk, in my prayer life, in my witness, in my praise and worship.

Your view of eternal security is in OPPOSITION to what Jesus taught. That SHOULD bother you very much. But instead of repenting of your error, you have just dug your heels in deeper and have RESISTED the truth of what Jesus taught.

Do you react to discipline with discouragement? That is the problem with your focus on emotions. Read Hebrews 12, which is about God's discipline and its goal. Which is to TRAIN the disciplined child for righteousness.

Heb 12:11 - No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

But, here's the kicker: not everyone who undergoes discipline is trained by it. There are those who resist the discipline and training.

Jesus's approach to people who do this to His people He says this,

Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come.
It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.
So watch yourselves. "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.
luke 17:1-3

How about that! That's just what I have been doing with YOU! I have been REBUKING your opposition to what Jesus taught about eternal security, but instead of being trained by it, you have RESISTED the training.

The rebuking will cease when you repent.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"You have no idea. You are too tied up in your own emotions to know reality."

I do not know how you can imagine your statements are true.

Of course you can't imagine that. Because of your obsessive focus on your feelings.

Feelings (emotions) do NOT THINK. They feel. But it seems you don't understand the difference.

Here is a quote from time magazine

Oh, here's a real pillar of truth.

However, what we learn in our society is not how to work with our emotions, but how to block and avoid them. We do it quite well: Between alcohol use, prescription drug use and screen time, there are a multitude of ways to avoid our feelings. When we do acknowledge them, we swat them away with mantras learned since childhood. (“Mind over matter,” “get a grip” and “suck it up” are familiar ones.) Thwarting emotions is not good for mental or physical health. It’s like pressing on the gas and brakes of your car at the same time, creating an internal pressure cooker.

Garbage.

Talk to anyone involved in counselling and dealing with people who ignore or avoid themselves acknowledging emotion, it destroys them.

I've never ignored or avoided the fact that emotions occur. Nor have I ignored or avoided your total mischaracterization of my views. But you continue to make them.

So I cannot for one minute take you seriously.

lol. You continue to resist the teaching of Jesus and have the GALL to say this?? lol.

If you had been involved with anyone with mental illness or family psychology, you will discover we have to recognise the very foundations of our relationships and bonds one with another, and how they control and mold what we are. It can be shown we repeat the emotional setup we grow up in in our families into our own families as parents. I have only seen Jesus changing this cycle and bringing in real change and growth through open hearts and love with honesty and integrity working its way through.

It seems that your own emotions wounds have permanenty affected you and your perceptions.

It makes me wonder when you if ever are going to just pause, and question yourself about your assumptions, and humble yourself, like all of us have to do, daily, before the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.

What I do try to do is avoid assumptions. I'm interested in truth, which is everything that God has said to mankind. And believe what He said.

You and your emotions do nothing but make assumptions. That's why you have consistently mischaracterized my views.

 

[FreeGrace2]

What is the danger of seeing all positions?

Nothing at all. Paul said this:
in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.
2 Cor 2:11

You might discover the position one holds is not the best alternative.

Do you know how I discover this? By comparing ALL positions against God's word, unlike yourself. I don't do the "touchy-feely" thing regarding any position.

That requires a change, a cost, a shifting of the many balances we have in life.

Actually, not. I only requires to understand how the position relates to God's word.

Imagine I drive cars very fast and take risks daily. Then one day I see a massive car accident and come to realise my reactions are not quick enough and I could be dead as quickly as I see those around me.

Now if I do not change, I will be dead, because that is the truth I have seen.
I will have to change how I drive and assess risk.

Not necessarily. In your imagination, you've already been driving poorly DAILY and you are STILL ALIVE. Who's to say you will die behind the wheel of your car? You might trip on stairs and crack your head open and die.

I had an accident in a car where I missed checking one thing. It shook me up for at least a year. I found driving difficult and started questioning everything I did.

This is a good example of the problem of emotions. You should have just realized your mistake and moved on. Not destroy your life by your insecurities.

It was strange that one failure, in one situation, had this effect on me.

I don't think so at all. It makes perfect sense, since you are so focused on feelings rather than facts.

The difference between us is this: when I make a mistake, I LEARN from it, or at least try to. And I move on. I'm MORE CAREFUL in the future. I don't curl up in a ball and suck my thumb and fear any future events.

The issues we seemingly so lightly talk about, and condemn someone for a few words expressed demonstrate the lack of importance both the words and ideas are held in,and how devastating getting these issues wrong is.

When a professing Christian openly contradicts what Jesus teaches, they are WRONG.

I have been with people who pop drugs like they are immune to consequences, and years later their broken lives are what results.

The solution is to quit being with such people.

We are very fragile, and in our strength often speak like nothing can touch us.

Please only speak for yourself. Yes, you are very fragile, as you've just confessed in your post here, by your failure to check 1 thing and had an accident. Instead of learning anything, your life was a wreck for a year. That's fragile, for sure.

I know how the opposite is true, and even one bad conversation can have long lasting implications.

It probably does for fragile people.

When Jesus says this,
Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
Matt 7:24-25

How come you have "heard these words of Mine" but won't "but them into practice" by believing that recipients of eternal life shall never perish?

"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth"
Matt 5:5

Humility is a great trait.

What I have found odd, is when I am accused of being self-righteous testifying like this to Jesus and His word.

I've not accused you of being self-righteous. I have accused you of being wrong.

Rather this is the way of light, and it is open to all, no matter how lost and defeated you feel yourself to be.

Is that how you feel?

Through love and repentance, Jesus will make a way with His Holy Spirit ministering to your heart.

You need to repent of your OPPOSITION to what Jesus taught.

 

[LightLoveHope]

I have been REBUKING your opposition to what Jesus taught about eternal security

Hi Free,
Like many people who listen and follow Jesus, we wonder about your "rebuke".

So my wonder is simple. Can you imagine this simple reality?
Before you is the most precious thing anyone can ever possess.
It is yours as a free gift, and you just happen to find it. You life is hard and everything is going wrong, but with this one thing, everything changes.

How big a debt do you have to the person who gave you this free gift?
What will you not do if called to by the giver of this free gift?

Unfortunately I can only provide the fruit of the work Jesus has done in my life, and talk about the path I have followed. It is true there are many who feel great failure and want to earn forgiveness, or pay penance, or balance the scales of evil with points for good.

So your rebuke is not aimed at my repentance of sin, or my faith in Jesus, or my following, or my love, or my walk. As Paul would say, he testifies to the work Jesus has done in His life and the wonder of grace and giving that has come forth.

I have security in Jesus because of the cross, and knowing who Jesus is.
It is what drives my whole life. So where is your rebuke and what is its meaning?
Jesus did not say have security in me and live like the world.

Until you can say, yes this brother loves Jesus and walks with Him, you will be trapped in your belief, and make enemies of brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[LightLoveHope]

This is a good example of the problem of emotions. You should have just realized your mistake and moved on. Not destroy your life by your insecurities.

Thank you free. This illustrates the difference between ourselves.
We live by two systems. The first is learn responses to incoming information and situations. For instance I can touch type. I do not need to think about the response and the exact letters I need to create rather just the words I want to put down.

The second is our analysis and resetting of these responses that takes a lot of time and learning, and is slow. What high level sports people get is doubt and failure which causes them to start to look at their programmed responses and to change them. Their performance drops and they need to work hard to adjust and build up to get back to where they were.

Now I am being honest about my failure and my mistakes.
And unfortunately if I get my driving wrong, I will die. And with a small adjustment, the risks will be brought to a reasonable level.

Your response was to say I should not destroy my life by my insecurities.
So actually listening to who I am, putting real changes in place that are needed and building up again a better approach is destroying my life.

Jesus calls us to look at everything and build things in a new, caring, loving way. And this sensitivity is looked at by yourself as unnecessary. But this is my point, as sinners transformed into saints everything needs to be changed. There is no boundary or restriction on that need, only to bring it all to the altar and let the Lord have His way in our hearts.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Source of evil

What is the problem in the world? Legalism or sin? Trying to be good, or giving in to ones sinful desires?

Paul was a pharisee and still went to the temple for jewish celebrations.
He was arrested while performing the purification rituals in the temple, and was accused of inviting gentiles into the temple which is forbidden.

So rather than rejecting judaism he saw it in the light of Jesus.
Equally rather than rejecting the law, he saw walking in love as fulfilling the law.

When Paul went into any new city, he would go to the synagogue to share with the jews and persuade them about Jesus and His fulfilling scripture.

Being a christian is the fulfilment of the promises to Israel, the grafting in of gentiles into the vine.

Much of Pauls teaching was not to take belonging to Israel of any worth, ie circumcision, but rather walking in the Spirit in purity and righteousness, being blameless and whole, with an open loving heart. It was the Spirit that conquers the passions, and puts in place how we are to be, and acts of love that define living faith in our hearts.

A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
Galatians 6:7-8

Sowing to the Spirit is putting to death the things of the world, and putting on the things of God

Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity
Colossians 3:12-14

What people hate is the idea their actual failures will destroy the very gift Christ has given them. But in truth, if the seed is eternal it will work its way through.

Our honesty in searching out God where we are, defines how much we truly love Him.
When you doubt, or things get hard, remember the cross and the love that drove Him there, and let that minister to your heart, and accept you can start again, washed and purified, ready to find victory in Him once more, Amen.

 

[LightLoveHope]

I don't do the "touchy-feely" thing regarding any position.

I feel for you. Empathy and care are not part of your walk, of wondering how people are and what matters to them.

God does not care for the orphans, widows, oppressed and responds to their calls for mercy and justice? He does not bleed for the lost or offer any in need a message of hope?

Jonah did not want to go to Nineveh because he did not want to see them spared and forgiven, but God did. God put it like this

The LORD said, “You were upset about this little plant, something for which you have not worked nor did you do anything to make it grow. It grew up overnight and died the next day. Should I not be even more concerned about Nineveh, this enormous city? There are more than one hundred twenty thousand people in it who do not know right from wrong, as well as many animals!”
Jonah 4:10-11