2 Thess 2:12 teaches eternal security

[FreeGrace2]

JL original post: How many times does one have to be a fornicator, to be unrighteous? How many times does one have to be an idolater to be unrighteous and not inherit the kingdom of God?

[/QUOTE=" Free Grace2, post: 73459256, member: 319176"] Doesn't matter.

If it doesn’t matter why does the bible even mention those who commit sins of the flesh, will not inherit the kingdom of God?[/QUOTE]
What matters is context, for pete's sake. Go back and figure out the context for my answer. Everything matters. But for various reasons.

If one thinks that certain sins, or a certain # of sins will cause loss of salvation, then to them, every single sin matters in regard to maintaining salvation.

But, if salvation is secured the moment one believes, then sin doesn't matter in regard to one's salvation. I know that Arminians just can't swallow that pill, but that's the truth.

However, ALL sin MATTERS. Did you get that? But not for maintenance of one's salvation.

Sin matters because it causes the sinning believer to be out of fellowship with God. Does that seem important to you or not? It does to me. So SIN MATTERS.

And when one sins, they are grieving and/or quenching the Holy Spirit. Does that sound all right to you? Not to me, it doesn't.

Can a believer please God WHEN they are grieving and/or quenching the Spirit? Of course not. Does that matter? You betcha it matters.

In fact, it matters so much to God, that He gave us a lot of instructions about the effects of sin in the believer's life.

First, know this: God will discipline His rebellious (sinful) children. And that discipline will be PAINFUL, per Heb 12:11. Does that matter to you or not?

Second, the rebellious (sinful) believer will have NO INHERITANCE IN the kingdom.

Eph 5:5 is parallel to 1 Cor 6 and Gal 5, though the latter 2 verses say "will not inherit the kingdom". But that phrase means the same as Eph 5:5.

iow, the rebellious believer will be IN the kingdom, but have NO inheritance there.

So, what will that look like? Paul gives us the answer in 2 Tim 2:12 -
if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we deny (not endure) him, he will also deny us;

So, what will He deny? "reigning with Him". That's what.

Does that matter to you or not? It does to me.

There will be multitudes of believers in eternity who will NOT reign with Christ because they didn't endure in the faith. Period.

This is a reward for faithful believers. The Arminians have turned all this on its head and perverted what the Bible says.

To them, unfaithful believers end up in the lake of fire forever. iow, only by being faithful (enduring) will they finally enter heaven.

However, that view blasphemes the work of Christ for mankind. He died for all sin because all have sinned. What allows people to enter heaven is possession of the gift of eternal life that Jesus gives to all who believe in Him. They will never perish (end up in the lake of fire).

All others will be judged for their actions, etc per Rev 20:11-15 and then thrown into the lake of fire. However, based on their individual judgment, it will be more bearable for some than for others, as Jesus clearly noted.

Matt 10:15 - Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Matt 11:22 - But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you.

Luke records the same principle in 10:12 and 14.

So, unbelievers who led a more moral life will have it more bearable in the lake of fire than unbelievers who led a more evil life.

Was the Holy Spirit just kidding or making it up? With your theology we don’t need a holy bible we just need a holy leaflet.

What in the world are you talking about? Please explain this silliness. How does my theology result in the stupidity that you think it does?

Adam and Eve where created with eternal life yet when they sinned they lost it for themselves and all humanity.

And I assume you have a verse that supports this empty claim? Where does the Bible say that they were created with eternal life? It doesn't. So quit making up stuff, just to suit your own opinions.

They were able to eat from the "tree of life", which most scholars believe sustained them. It was the other tree that killed them spiritually and physically.

Eternal life is conditional on doing God’s will.

So then, please state all the conditions that the Bible SAYS is required for eternal life.

Only after the resurrection will we never perish.

Would you just stop with this nonsense. When the Bible speaks of "never perish", it is referring specifically to NOT ending up in the lake of fire.

John 3:16, 10:28.

[Mk10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.]

This passage requires a bit of explanation, and I doubt that you are up to it.

In fact, you didn't even quote the relevant parts of the passage, so I'll do it for you:

17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’”
20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”
21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

In v.18 Jesus points out that there is only One who is good; that is God. And Jesus IS God, and He is Good. That qualifies Him as the Only One who could pay the penalty for mankind's sin.

In v.19 Jesus lists some of the commandments to make a point.

In v.20 the rich man claimed he had kept "all these" his whole life.
In v.21, Jesus pointed out how he had FAILED to keep the very first commandment, to love the Lord his God will ALL his heart, ALL of his might, and ALL of his strength.

That's what Jesus meant by "one thing you lack". Which was total love for God. So Jesus challenged him to give away his great wealth to demonstrate that he WAS keeping the very first commandment.

So, what was the reaction from the rich man? v.22 tells us clearly. He went away sad, because he loved his money MORE than God. Period.

So, what is the purpose of the law? To save us by keeping it? No. The law was given to show us that we can't keep the law and need a Savior. Gal 3 explains it all.

 

[FreeGrace2]

When we hear God, who are we hearing?

Hey, here's a question for you. When we see clear words in John 10:28, and DON'T BELIEVE THEM, what is going on in your mind>

So don't lecture anyone else about anything until you resolve the contradiction and conflict within your own mind.

Nothing you post will have any relevance or truth until you come to the realization that what Jesus said in John 10:28 is true; that those who have believed and given eternal life will NOT PERISH on that basis.

There are no conditions for recipients of eternal life to meet in order to NOT PERISH.

Or, Jesus would have included any conditions within John 10:28.

How can anyone take you seriously when you can't even accept the clear statement by Jesus in John 10:28?

 

[LightLoveHope]

There are no conditions for recipients of eternal life to meet in order to NOT PERISH.

You make me laugh. It is impossible to write there are no conditions on something, if there is one or more conditions in your belief system. And the condition you believe is belief.

And the trouble with belief it is an open statement, meaning each believe has a different view on what this belief is, how exact or general it is.

To believe someone in the normal sense is to accept all the consequences of who they are, and the resulting change of life, attitudes, loyalties will follow.

But you want the condition of faith or belief without any consequences.

Now agree if Jesus is the Messiah, is God made man, then we have to change and think and behave differently. Somewhere in this chain you unplugged change, and stay passive which suggests to me you do not believe He is the Son of God, and what He said we must do, obey the Father and the Son.

But hey, for you there are no conditions, so therefore the world is already saved and we are going to heaven......

 

[Gr8Grace]

Here is the simple problem.
Jesus calls and His sheep hear His voice and listen and follow.

I have come to see, it is really this simple. Yes many might be confused, be chasing after this and that, but His sheep know Him.

Are you one of His sheep? John 10:27
If "yes", then you have eternal life and will never perish. John 10:28

Is it possible that you can perish?
If 'yes', then you are not one of His sheep.

So yes, it is pretty simple.

His sheep know Him, and know He tells us we will NEVER perish.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"There are no conditions for recipients of eternal life to meet in order to NOT PERISH."

You make me laugh.

I'm glad you're able to laugh. That's a good emotion.

It is impossible to write there are no conditions on something, if there is one or more conditions in your belief system.

You should now be sad at how little you understand much.

Read over what I posted again. I was SPECIFICALLY referring to recipients of eternal life. They have NO MORE conditions to meet in order to never perish.

In order to possess eternal life, there IS ONE CONDITION: to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
1 John 5:13 - I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

Now, have you read these 3 verses? All of them teach that those who believe POSSESS eternal life. Got it?

As if these 3 verses aren't enough, here's another one:
1 John 5:11 - And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Notice the PAST TENSE in this verse? So, for those who believe, they have been given the gift of eternal life.

It seems you're just still not clear on how one possesses eternal life.

And, having believed, per these 4 verses, the believer HAS eternal life.

Now, John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

So, who are the "them" here? Those who have believed and are given eternal life. They are recipients of eternal life.

And what follows their being given eternal life? They SHALL NEVER PERISH.

That is what you just can't swallow. Jesus gave NO FURTHER CONDITIONS for recipients to meet. Otherwise, if there were other conditions, He would have had to include them in John 10:28.

This isn't that difficult to understand. But it seems you are unable to grasp this.

And the condition you believe is belief.

For receiving eternal life. Once a person believes, they possess eternal life. And once they possess eternal life, Jesus SAYS they shall never perish.

So STOP wanting to add ANY conditions to those who have believed and have eternal life so they won't perish. There aren't any conditions to those who have believed and have been given eternal life.

And the trouble with belief it is an open statement, meaning each believe has a different view on what this belief is, how exact or general it is.

The Bible has only one meaning for "belief for salvation". And I've already explained it.

If you disagreed with my explanation, why didn't you address it when I gave it?

To believe someone in the normal sense is to accept all the consequences of who they are, and the resulting change of life, attitudes, loyalties will follow.

Why don't you just stick with what the Bible says about how to have eternal life?

And while you're at it, consult any on-line Greek lexicon and learn what the Greek word means.

But you want the condition of faith or belief without any consequences.

What are you talking about? The consequence (stupid way of saying it, though) of faith in Christ is having the gift of eternal life.

I'd call that a benefit. Not a consequence.

Why do you still see consequences of hell in John 10:28. In fact, Jesus REMOVED any consequence of hell in that verse. What is keeping you from seeing that?

Now agree if Jesus is the Messiah, is God made man, then we have to change and think and behave differently.

Yes. And, in fact, everyone who has believed is COMMANDED to think differently.

Rom 8:5, Col 3:1,2. I'll let you do your own research.

Somewhere in this chain you unplugged change

No, you are the unplugged one. Unable to follow this discussion at all.

and stay passive which suggests to me you do not believe He is the Son of God, and what He said we must do, obey the Father and the Son.

How anyone could come to this very stupid conclusion, after all I've posted, is just beyond me. If one does NOT believe that He is the Son of God, they do NOT have saving faith.

But hey, for you there are no conditions, so therefore the world is already saved and we are going to heaven......

Apparently, for you, there are no thought processes at all. I wonder why I even respond to your posts, given how little you have grasped up to this point.

What you have said in your last paragraph amounts to universalism; that everyone is saved. That is pure nonsense.

If you think that is my view, then you are simply NOT thinking at all.

 

[JLHargus]

Are you one of His sheep? John 10:27
If "yes", then you have eternal life and will never perish. John 10:28

Is it possible that you can perish?
If 'yes', then you are not one of His sheep.

So yes, it is pretty simple. His sheep know Him, and know He tells us we will NEVER perish.

[1Cor6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not decieved: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,]

[Mt13 41: The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42: And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43: Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.]

[2Pt2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;]
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[JLHargus]

Nothing you post will have any relevance or truth until you come to the realization that what Jesus said in John 10:28 is true; that those who have believed and given eternal life will NOT PERISH on that basis.

Of course Jn10:28 is true but you contradicting OSAS which contradicts scripture isn't true.

[1Cor6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not decieved: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,]

[Mt13 41: The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42: And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43: Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.]

[2Pt2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;]

There are no conditions for recipients of eternal life to meet in order to NOT PERISH.

Or, Jesus would have included any conditions within John 10:28.

You need to take all scripture into account otherwise you end up with false teacing. According to scripture there are conditions for eternal life.

[Mk10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.]

[1Jn3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.]

 

[FreeGrace2]

[Mk10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.]

[1Jn3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.]

Please re-read post #1901 and address my explanation of the 3 parallel verses on "not inheriting the kingdom/have no inheritance in the kingdom" and the rich man in Mark 10 before throwing any more verses at me.

At least deal with what I shared with you before sharing more verses with me.

You're not going to get away with ignoring my explanations while continuing to throw more of your verses at me.

If you can't deal with the verses and/or explanations that I have shared, then just admit it.

If you can, then do it.

 

[JLHargus]

This passage requires a bit of explanation, and I doubt that you are up to it.

In fact, you didn't even quote the relevant parts of the passage, so I'll do it for you:

17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’”
20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”
21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

In v.18 Jesus points out that there is only One who is good; that is God. And Jesus IS God, and He is Good. That qualifies Him as the Only One who could pay the penalty for mankind's sin.

In v.19 Jesus lists some of the commandments to make a point.

In v.20 the rich man claimed he had kept "all these" his whole life.
In v.21, Jesus pointed out how he had FAILED to keep the very first commandment, to love the Lord his God will ALL his heart, ALL of his might, and ALL of his strength.

That's what Jesus meant by "one thing you lack". Which was total love for God. So Jesus challenged him to give away his great wealth to demonstrate that he WAS keeping the very first commandment.

So, what was the reaction from the rich man? v.22 tells us clearly. He went away sad, because he loved his money MORE than God. Period.

So, what is the purpose of the law? To save us by keeping it? No. The law was given to show us that we can't keep the law and need a Savior. Gal 3 explains it all.

Good grief, you should be a politician.

A simple question was asked, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? .

Simple answer given, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.]

 

[LightLoveHope]

In order to possess eternal life, there IS ONE CONDITION: to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.

This is the point. The one condition is not an easy to define condition. I believe I can rock climb, except when I have to put my weight on a hold, I often doubt my ability to manage to balance all the forces.

So when you accept you are talking belief in Jesus, Jesus says this is expressed by obedience. Jesus declares if we are to have His love, we need to listen and obey.

My kids can say they love me, and then do the exact opposite and go against all that I love and agree with. You cannot avoid the reality love and respect are also linked to behaviour.

The Lord even says He is commited to listen. God will listen to us. The King of Kings will hear our voice. But this is because we are an expression of who He is, through Christ and our love for Him.

 

[Gr8Grace]

[1Cor6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not decieved: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,]

[Mt13 41: The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42: And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43: Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.]

[2Pt2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;]

So you don't consider yourself one of His sheep? John 10:27.

His sheep never perish. John 10:28

 

[Gr8Grace]

If you can't deal with the verses and/or explanations that I have shared, then just admit it.

If you can, then do it.

They won't admit it. They can't do it........Just pit scripture against scripture, that's their MO.

It's amazing to watch em just 'skip over' the very clear verses, and pit a verse against those clear statements..........Even after a very logical and biblical explanation has been provided for their "loss of salvation" interpretation. We actually address the verses they use, but they never address the verses that CLEARLY contradict the interpretation's they have for 'loss of salvation' nonsense.

John 10:28~~His sheep have eternal life and will never perish.

They won't deal with that and use a metaphor for fruit production to PIT against a verse that CLEARLY contradicts their beliefs.

 

[Gr8Grace]

[1Cor6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not decieved: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,]

[Mt13 41: The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42: And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43: Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.]

[2Pt2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;]

And Humor us.

Did The Lord Jesus Christ have eternal life?

Why did he physically die then?

 

[LightLoveHope]

This is an interesting interaction.
To change ones position the argument or foundation has to move. If I come with obvious truth and reality to just repeat a sentence about one interpretation of a sentence meaning only that is not actually proving anything other than one believes that interpretation alone. Woooo, that was a real winner.

I stand before the King. I hear Him. Until you stand there before Him also, ofcourse any excuse to compromise sounds ok. But it is before the King we need to be.

And that is why I walk as I do. I follow, I listen and I have been taught. Thank you Jesus, and thank you that your word says in so many different ways the same things, so much so, you have to read it, let it dwell on ones mind and the reality breaks through.

It is too easy to read a small part and let ones bias guide ones thinking. It takes time to know His heart, which has always been His message. Do we really love Him? Are we prepared to trust and walk in total vulnerability before Him knowing He truly loves us? This is the hardest thing a human can do, and we are so defensive, to even accept that is the place of trust, He desires us to walk in, is hard for us to dare to believe. But it is also where the cross leads us.
Thank you Jesus that you lead us there.

 

[Gr8Grace]

This is an interesting interaction.
To change ones position the argument or foundation has to move. If I come with obvious truth and reality to just repeat a sentence about one interpretation of a sentence meaning only that is not actually proving anything other than one believes that interpretation alone. Woooo, that was a real winner.

I stand before the King. I hear Him. Until you stand there before Him also, ofcourse any excuse to compromise sounds ok. But it is before the King we need to be.

And that is why I walk as I do. I follow, I listen and I have been taught. Thank you Jesus, and thank you that your word says in so many different ways the same things, so much so, you have to read it, let it dwell on ones mind and the reality breaks through.

It is too easy to read a small part and let ones bias guide ones thinking. It takes time to know His heart, which has always been His message. Do we really love Him? Are we prepared to trust and walk in total vulnerability before Him knowing He truly loves us? This is the hardest thing a human can do, and we are so defensive, to even accept that is the place of trust, He desires us to walk in, is hard for us to dare to believe. But it is also where the cross leads us.
Thank you Jesus that you lead us there.

Why won't you just address a simple truth?

Are you one of His sheep?

Can you perish?

John 10:28. His Sheep NEVER perish.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Why won't you just address a simple truth?

Are you one of His sheep?

Can you perish?

John 10:28. His Sheep NEVER perish.

Until I meet Him and He calls me one of His, I walk by faith.
And my faith is founded on the cross His love and the work He has done in my life.
And like all redeemed sinners, I could be wrong, and I could fail.

If I fail then I will perish. As far as I know I listen to Jesus and follow Him, so as long as this remains true I will not perish.

Jesus is declaring His love for me and His sheep. He knows them and He will never let us go. The divide He is describing in John 10:25 is people saying tell us who you are, but in truth they have already rejected Him, all they want is a charge of blasphemy.

Jesus does not have to prove this to His sheep. I have found this very true, when I have met people who love Jesus.

This is what is confusing when people claim to know Him, while denying the walk and the way, love and an open heart, and finding some reason to disown other followers. It puzzelled me because in denying Jesus's words and intent, they are not His sheep.

Paul said it in terms of the race, and his desire to be counted worthy of the prize of eternal life, and dwelling with the King. It will always be a gift, so we can never be presumptious, but we walk in faith and hope, and honour Him.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Until I meet Him and He calls me one of His, I walk by faith.
And my faith is founded on the cross His love and the work He has done in my life.
And like all redeemed sinners, I could be wrong, and I could fail.

If I fail then I will perish. As far as I know I listen to Jesus and follow Him, so as long as this remains true I will not perish.

Jesus is declaring His love for me and His sheep. He knows them and He will never let us go. The divide He is describing in John 10:25 is people saying tell us who you are, but in truth they have already rejected Him, all they want is a charge of blasphemy.

Jesus does not have to prove this to His sheep. I have found this very true, when I have met people who love Jesus.

This is what is confusing when people claim to know Him, while denying the walk and the way, love and an open heart, and finding some reason to disown other followers. It puzzelled me because in denying Jesus's words and intent, they are not His sheep.

Paul said it in terms of the race, and his desire to be counted worthy of the prize of eternal life, and dwelling with the King. It will always be a gift, so we can never be presumptious, but we walk in faith and hope, and honour Him.

So you don't consider yourself one of His sheep?

 

[JLHargus]

JL Original post: [Gal5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.]

OK, there are 3 parallel passages about inheriting the kingdom. Here, in 1 Cor 6 and Eph 5. In Gal 5 and 1 Cor 6, the key phrase is "shall not inherit the kingdom". But, in Eph 5, the key phrase is "have no inheritance IN the kingdom".

Since all 3 passages are parallel, the 2 key phrases are equated in meaning.

So, to "not inherit the kingdom" is the same as "have no inheritance IN the kingdom".

What you miss is that one can be IN the kingdom and have NO inheritance there.

JL: What you miss is [1Jn3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.]

Not to be mean but since you asked me to reply to this post I will be quite frank. I didn’t reply before as I thought it not credible enough to waste my time. I can’t imagine anyone reading your post, would take it seriously.

[Eph5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.]

[1Cor6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.]

[Gal5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.]

[Mt13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.]

[2Pt3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.] (Strong’s g684 destroying, utter destruction of vessels a perishing, ruin, the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell.)

[Rv21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.]

[Rv21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.]

 

[JLHargus]

So you don't consider yourself one of His sheep? John 10:27. His sheep never perish. John 10:28

Absolutely I consider myself as one of His sheep. But I am not so full of myself as to believe I can be unrighteous as a fornicator, idolater, adulterer, effeminate, abuser with mankind, and shall inherit the kingdom. If I do sin and repent and confess my sin I will be restored to grace.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Absolutely I consider myself as one of His sheep.

Then He says you have eternal life and will NEVER perish.

He lied to you? John 10:28