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2 Peter 3:10-12. Not when but how?

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Genesis 6
13 And God said to Noah, The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. And, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

@DavidPT The ark did remove those in it from the world. The judgment waters was the very thing that lifted the ark up and out of the flooded world where the judgment was taking place.

But Noah and his family were saved. They were in the ark. And so were the animals who were to be saved.

Since Jesus is our "Ark", there's no reason not to allow for the possibility that there will be some animals taken out of the earth to heaven with the resurrection of those of the sons of Adam who have been adopted through faith in Christ and regeneration of the Spirit into God's family as the sons of God.

I'm not adding that to the scriptures as a doctrine. I'm just saying we can allow for that possibility, because of the type.
 
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Total annihilation would negate the GWT.

Are they totally annihilated, or just physically killed to stand as dead at the GWT?

When you claim the earth itself needs spiritual regeneration, how did water destroy the spiritual earth? A new heaven and earth is not just spiritual, but there was a totally different physical earth after the Flood. If fire is just symbolic and destroys spiritual earth at the Second Coming, then the physical earth will still be OK. Is the point spiritual or physical?

"for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

How has there not been a physical new heaven and earth after the Flood? Peter does declare the heaven and earth now is not the same as prior to the Flood of Noah's day. Because of the Ark, both the earth and the elect started out new both physically and spiritually. It was their offspring, even Ham who kept sin and rebellion going, even as the saved elect.

Yet when I point out that there is no more sin, death from sin, and decay both spiritual and physical for 1000 years after the Second Coming, you claim nonsense. Yet God started fresh with Noah. Water did not nor cannot remove sin. But the refining fire and physical death at the Second Coming does remove Adam's flesh and blood. God starts the earth with a resurrection of eternal life. Not glorification, but still a life free from sin and death, and even Satan. All Amil do is remove the Day of the Lord, the Sabbath day of rest, the 1000 years that John does declare after the Second Coming.

Don't say, "well it is the here and now." That defeats the whole purpose of a 1000 year period after 6000 years of Adam's fallen flesh and blood.

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

After 6000 years, God cannot keep Adam's punishment going indefinitely. God set the punishment limit at 6 days, 6000 years. The next 1000 are set apart as Holy. If you reject John's eye witness account, you are not bound by God's Law to accept it. Amil have that going for their eschatology.

"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. These are the generations (plural) of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord (singular) God made the earth and the heavens,"

This was the first day of the Lord. The first 1000 years. But no one Remembers that day of the Lord. Even though Exodus 20 tells us to. The earth did not change, up until the Flood. For the first 1000 years there was not even death and decay. No ground was ever tilled, no seed ever sown. Not even wild plants grew out of the ground. The only nutrition for all life on land and sea were the seeds and fruit of the plants and trees God planted on the third day. After 1000 years God planted the Garden of Eden and placed Adam in it. But take it or leave it. Every one thinks their own interpretation is the correct one.

Still no one Remembers. If they did it would have been passed down from generation to generation, and all would know, without any questions or guess work. Satan gave a false knowledge or science to the Greeks and the last 2500 years have been shaped to Satan's advantage so all humanity would forget God.
 
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2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Preface. Religious Pharisees that make almost everything in scripture to be symbolic, love to take the above passage of Peter very literally because they can't wait for God to destroy the "sinners."

First, it is unreasonable to conclude that Peter had a perfect sequential understanding of the time of the end. It is possible he assumed everything will happen at one time. I don't know. What I do know is Peter was told plainly that knowing the times and seasons was not given to him. Same goes for Paul.

Acts 1:6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

Now, we can cover the "how" that you asked about. Peter referred to the Day of the Lord coming like a thief. Therefore, we can determine which Day of the Lord he is speaking about and what people Peter is writing to.

Revelation 16:15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”

This is written just prior to the 7th bowl of wrath in which Jesus returns on the white horse. Revelation 19-20 and Ezekiel 39. Those two accounts of this particular Day of the Lord should answer your "how" questions.

Revelation 19:17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”

Ezekiel 39:17 “And as for you, son of man, thus says the Lord God, ‘Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field:

“Assemble yourselves and come;
Gather together from all sides to My sacrificial meal

Which I am sacrificing for you,
A great sacrificial meal on the mountains of Israel,
That you may eat flesh and drink blood.
18 You shall eat the flesh of the mighty,
Drink the blood of the princes of the earth,
 
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I don't have a problem thinking the DOTL might be involving more than a single day, but I don't know if I could agree it involves everything you have it involving. On your chart it looks like you have the beginning of the DOTL starting with the beginning of the 7 years, which I'm assuming you are meaning the tribulation, except there is no 7 year trib recorded in the Bible that I'm aware of. The trib is only 42 months. But even at the beginning of the 42 months I don't see that being where the beginning of the DOTL begins either. The DOTL involves darkness, etc, whether it's meaning literal darkness that I'm not certain, and that Matthew 24:29 for one records a time of darkness and that it places it after the trib.
 
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The universe as science teaches us will cease to exist.
What are you talking about?

Tell me who survives.
The only ones who will survive Christ's return are Christians who will be changed and put on immortality at that time.

I asked is the restoration before or after Christ comes to earth.
Before.

Do you consider letting sin have free reign a model kingdom?
Of course not. You ask ridiculous questions.

You have rules that end up making nonsense. Jesus Himself left the Mt of Olives and claimed to return.
No, He never claimed that He would return to the Mt. of Olives. Tell me where you think He said that so that I can show you how you're wrong.

Zechariah prophesied that return. Do you need symbolism to figure that out?
When are you going to figure out that your interpretation of Zechariah 14 doesn't line up with the rest of scripture? It certainly doesn't line up with what is taught in the New Testament.
 
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That is because you are stuck in symbolism and that makes you comfortable. There is more to God's Word than symbolism.
Okay, I've had enough of your false accusations. I never claimed that all of God's Word is symbolism and you know it. Obviously, some of it is and some isn't and you're not able to discern which is which.

I don't need to put up with your false accusations and nonsense anymore. It's not worth it. You are a waste of my time. You are going to become the only person on my ignore list.
 
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With all this in mind, why are you a Premil then? Why consider yourself a Premil when you acknowledge that it has its share of problems? I don't get that. It'd makes a lot more sense to consider yourself what Fullness of the Gentiles is calling himself: an agnosmillennialist.
 
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So, when God said the flood destroyed “every living thing” we’re not to take that literally? The flood did not destroy the fish? Or it did?
No, it didn't. The context was that He was going to destroy every living thing on land except for the animals that were brought onto the ark. Why are you asking me this?

What is your point here exactly? It seems ironic to me that you're pointing out that what He said didn't apply to literally every living thing when you take Genesis 8:21 to be God saying He literally wouldn't destroy the earth again even though Genesis 9:11 shows that the context is that He wouldn't destroy the earth with a flood again.
 
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I think the best reply to this original posting is given in this:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

If you read that Thessalonians passage you will see that Yeshua is returning in fire and it makes most sense that we will more than likely destroy the world by fire at that time.
 

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In flaming fire has to be understood in the literal sense? Why can't it be a description of His wrath without it having to mean literal fire?
 
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In flaming fire has to be understood in the literal sense? Why can't it be a description of His wrath without it having to mean literal fire?
Or another way of talking about the LOF for those who receive the mark of the beast.
 
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In flaming fire has to be understood in the literal sense? Why can't it be a description of His wrath without it having to mean literal fire?

You are certainly correct in saying that "In Flaming Fire" represents the wrath of Christ at his second coming but I have chosen to view this as a fulfillment of the passage you were questioning us about in 2 Peter 3. We know that just prior to the second coming of Christ that the Sun will be turned to darkness so I believe right after that at the second coming will be when Jesus returns "in flaming fire" and destroys the world.
 
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Or another way of talking about the LOF for those who receive the mark of the beast.

How would you view it as a human assumption since the Thessalonians passage clearly states that Christ will return "In Flaming Fire" and Jude also states that he returns to execute judgement with his Holy Myriads which also seems to refer to that same instance?
 
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Whether we view it as literal or as figurative involves a certain amount of human assumption. There is a lot of metaphor used in Apocalptic biblical literature (like a lot).
 
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Whether we view it as literal or as figurative involves a certain amount of human assumption. There is a lot of metaphor used in Apocalptic biblical literature (like a lot).

Well I can agree with that because it does seem as if what exactly will take place at the second coming on the last day is not exactly clearly defined. We do know that Christ is returning in "flaming fire" but we don't know for sure if he will destroy the world by fire at that time even though we can make an assumption towards that end it is not a clear one.
 
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I'm an agnosmillennialist because it's not totally clear.

gnosis = knowledge.
agnostic = "no knowledge" "don't know". "believe nothing"

agnosmillennialist = I don't know, but it's either/or (either the mill is symbolic for this current Age, or it's still coming).
 
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Hi David,

Actually I believe the Day of the Lord (God Almighty) starts when the Russian`s invade Israel. After God deals with them, then Israel will celebrate Purim, (National deliverance) and a bit later will be the Peace Treaty. Thus the trib, as I see it does not start immediately at the DOL.

The DOL is a time period (as Peter said) & a specific Day when the Lord returns to deliver Israel and deal vengeance upon the rebellious.
 
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But Peter leaves us in no doubt.

Yet there are biblical statements that also make it possible that it's referring to the fire coming down from heaven at the close of a literal millennium.
 
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But Peter leaves us in no doubt.

Yet there are biblical statements that also make it possible that it's referring to the fire coming down from heaven at the close of a literal millennium.

What scriptures reference that because I am unfamiliar with those passages?
 
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