10 lost tribes???

[dfw69]

Let Jesus settle this one. Luke 22:15-16:
15 And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
16 for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

THERE YOU GO....it was Passover ,, and we will eat it again when he returns

The New Covenant is given by the the Lord's Supper. They did eat the Passover but Jesus also instituted the Lodr's Supper to declare the New Covenant.

I only see one supper ..Passover

 

[ebedmelech]

Let Jesus settle this one. Luke 22:15-16:
15 And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
16 for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

THERE YOU GO....it was Passover ,, and we will eat it again when he returns

You need to understand the difference between "until it is fulfilled"...that will be eternity.

I only see one supper ..Passover

WHy does that not surprise me? Jesus says "I earnestly desire to EAT THIS PASSOVER...but they didn't eat it???

 

[dfw69]

Let Jesus settle this one. Luke 22:15-16:
15 And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
16 for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

You need to understand the difference between "until it is fulfilled"...that will be eternity.

I do,,,,,, see Jesus here is making a Nazarene vow....he is saying that one day he will drink the fruit of the vine again. ...with us. ... In the kingdom ,, he is going away ,,, then he made a vow to return that where he is going ,,we may go too....that he would return for us,, and that one day we will eat the Passover or lords supper if you wish in the kingdom ...whether in heaven or in the kingdom on earth I'm not sure... I believe in heaven ... If the Lord keeps himself from observing Passover ,,,I'm sure it's ok for us to do the same,,, but he did say do this in rememberance of me ,,,, and I'm sure the disciples keep the Passover remembering Christ but maybe they did not eat lamb ...maybe they did for a while ... Who knows

WHy does that not surprise me? Jesus says "I earnestly desire to EAT THIS PASSOVER...but they didn't eat it???

LOL ...well no because if I'm correct the lambs were not slaughtered yet ,,, no mention of a lamb present,,,, the lambs were slaughtered the day Jesus was being crusified ...they ate the Passover without the lamb

 

[KrAZeD]

dfw69: the word "artos" was used instead of "azyma" (regarding "leavened" bread) in mark/Matthew- also 1 cor 11:23. While the meal might have been symbolic for the passover(or another feast altogether prior to passover) Jesus would unlikely go against what's commanded for the true passover feast.

 

[dfw69]

dfw69: the word "artos" was used instead of "azyma" (regarding "leavened" bread) in mark/Matthew- also 1 cor 11:23. While the meal might have been symbolic for the passover(or another feast altogether prior to passover) Jesus would unlikely go against what's commanded for the true passover feast.

so what are you saying exactly?


did Jesus and his disciples eat unleavened or leavened bread ?

 

[KrAZeD]

so what are you saying exactly?


did Jesus and his disciples eat unleavened or leavened bread ?

If you go from the Greek word used, leavened bread was broke.

 

[dfw69]

If you go from the Greek word used, leavened bread was broke.

Hmm so Jesus was leavened bread ,, symbolic of a body of sin ,,,,that he was a sin offering ..I don't know

Perhaps the writters try to throw us off ,,, you would think unleaven bread is the right bread to break

What do you think?

 

[KrAZeD]

Hmm so Jesus was leavened bread ,, symbolic of a body of sin ,,,,that he was a sin offering ..I don't know

Perhaps the writters try to throw us off ,,, you would think unleaven bread is the right bread to break

What do you think?

Unleavened was what was required for passover. Jesus knew that. While I agree with you that Jesus was slaughtered with the rest of the "lambs", theirs enough evidence to support the notion that the last supper was not a "passover" meal.

Even if one wanted to choose the fact he was celebrating it "early" since he "desired" to eat it with the disciples, it would have been postponed a month not moved forward.

The last supper has a significant purpose- the new covenant, and while that is a decent take on the meaning of leavened bread,

Jesus was leavened bread ,, symbolic of a body of sin

it's above my understanding if that was what really was implied or meant.

I believe all scripture is God breathed, so no the authors are not throwing us off. I just think it was the last meal Jesus had with his disciples, it's true purpose was the ushering of the new covenant, which had to coincide with the passover events.

 

[dfw69]

Interesting .. I don't know

 

[Rev20]

Yet Jesus said that thier house would be desolate .. Yet when Jesus returns and builds that temple it will no longer be desolate and feast will continue

I understand and agree with you that it already is bro.. Just that it does not take away from what Jesus plans to do in the kingdom to come on earth

Where does it say that Jesus will return and rebuild the temple? And where does it say that he plans a physical kingdom on earth?

During his ministry Jesus spoke and acted in the opposite manner. When the devil offered him all the kingdoms of the world (Matt 4:8) he rejected them. When Jesus perceived the multitudes would take him by force and make him their king, he went away from them (John 15:15.) And, of course, Jesus said that his kingdom was NOT of this world (John 18:36.)

The so-called rejection of Jesus by the Jews was not an afterthought, but was prophesied in many ways:

"The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner." -- Ps 118:22

"Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste." -- Isa 28:16

"He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." -- Isa 53:3

But, in reality, the Lord rejected them:

"But thou hast utterly rejected us; thou art very wroth against us." -- Lam 5:22

Instead, he built a heavenly city named new Jerusalem, which sits on mount Sion:

"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant" -- Heb 12:22-24

And, as prophesied by David and Isaiah (above,) he became the chief cornerstone:

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." -- Eph 2:19-22

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yet Jesus said that thier house would be desolate .. Yet when Jesus returns and builds that temple it will no longer be desolate and feast will continue.......

I assume that would have to be during the 1000yr period, since the City and Temple were destroyed in AD70.

The Preterist view is that is the City showing in Revelation is the one in AD 70:

Matt 23:
37 Jerusalem! Jerusalem! that slayeth the prophets, and stoneth them that have been sent unto her,--how often, would I have gathered thy children, like as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,--and ye would not!
38 Behold! left to ye desolate/wilderness the House of ye!

Reve 18:19
And they cast dust upon their heads and cried out, lamenting and mourning, saying "woe! woe! the great City, in which are rich all the ones having the ships in the sea out of the preciousness of Her,
that to one hour She was desolated

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover...........

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins........

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings.

Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people, who gloried in its impregnable strength, entirely depopulated, and levelled with the ground. And thus, also was our LORD'S prediction, that her enemies should "lay her even with the ground," and "should not leave in her one stone upon another, " (Luke xix. 44.) most strikingly and fully accomplished !.........



.

 

[ebedmelech]

I do,,,,,, see Jesus here is making a Nazarene vow....he is saying that one day he will drink the fruit of the vine again. ...with us. ... In the kingdom ,, he is going away ,,, then he made a vow to return that where he is going ,,we may go too....that he would return for us,, and that one day we will eat the Passover or lords supper if you wish in the kingdom ...whether in heaven or in the kingdom on earth I'm not sure... I believe in heaven ... If the Lord keeps himself from observing Passover ,,,I'm sure it's ok for us to do the same,,, but he did say do this in rememberance of me ,,,, and I'm sure the disciples keep the Passover remembering Christ but maybe they did not eat lamb ...maybe they did for a while ... Who knows

Jesus isn't making a Nazarite vow. He instituted the New Covenant and abolished the Old...so Nazarite vows don't apply. A nazarite vow separates one to God, Jesus is God...so that view is fundamentally wrong from the outset!

LOL ...well no because if I'm correct the lambs were not slaughtered yet ,,, no mention of a lamb present,,,, the lambs were slaughtered the day Jesus was being crusified ...they ate the Passover without the lamb

John the Baptist puts that to rest in John 1:29:
29 The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Jesus was the spotless Lamb...are you thinking about this...or just responding?

 

[dfw69]

Jesus isn't making a Nazarite vow. He instituted the New Covenant and abolished the Old...so Nazarite vows don't apply. A nazarite vow separates one to God, Jesus is God...so that view is fundamentally wrong from the outset!*,,/
,*,

Whatever you say ebed... I believe he did ..the old law is not abolished ...the law will judge those under the law


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John the Baptist puts that to rest in John 1:29:
29 The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world![,/QUOTE]


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Jesus was the spotless Lamb...are you thinking about this...or just responding?

Are you deliberately trying to insult me putting yourself on my ignore list ? Of course I think about what I am saying ....insult me one more time and I'm done with preterist ...

 

[dfw69]

I assume that would have to be during the 1000yr period, since the City and Temple were destroyed in AD70.

The Preterist view is that is the City showing in Revelation is the one in AD 70:

Matt 23:
37 Jerusalem! Jerusalem! that slayeth the prophets, and stoneth them that have been sent unto her,--how often, would I have gathered thy children, like as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,--and ye would not!
38 Behold! left to ye desolate/wilderness the House of ye!

Reve 18:19
And they cast dust upon their heads and cried out, lamenting and mourning, saying "woe! woe! the great City, in which are rich all the ones having the ships in the sea out of the preciousness of Her,
that to one hour She was desolated

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover...........

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins........

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings.

Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people, who gloried in its impregnable strength, entirely depopulated, and levelled with the ground. And thus, also was our LORD'S prediction, that her enemies should "lay her even with the ground," and "should not leave in her one stone upon another, " (Luke xix. 44.) most strikingly and fully accomplished !.........



.

Preterist can believe what they want ...I'm done dancing with them

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Whatever you say ebed... I believe he did ..the old law is not abolished ...the law will judge those under the law

...

Accoding to this passage, those not under the law will judge those who are

Rom 2:27
And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?


Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
JESUS AND PAUL VS THE CIRCUMCISION


Phil 3:
2 Beware of the Dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of-the circumcision!
3 For we are the circumcision, ones to Spirit of God worship, boasting in Christ Jesus, and not in flesh having confidence.

LUKE 16:
20 "But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate,
21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table.
Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores."

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage.
Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews



.

 

[dfw69]

Where does it say that Jesus will return and rebuild the temple? And where does it say that he plans a physical kingdom on earth?

During his ministry Jesus spoke and acted in the opposite manner. When the devil offered him all the kingdoms of the world (Matt 4:8) he rejected them. When Jesus perceived the multitudes would take him by force and make him their king, he went away from them (John 15:15.) And, of course, Jesus said that his kingdom was NOT of this world (John 18:36.)

The so-called rejection of Jesus by the Jews was not an afterthought, but was prophesied in many ways:

"The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner." -- Ps 118:22

"Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste." -- Isa 28:16

"He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." -- Isa 53:3

But, in reality, the Lord rejected them:

"But thou hast utterly rejected us; thou art very wroth against us." -- Lam 5:22

Instead, he built a heavenly city named new Jerusalem, which sits on mount Sion:

"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant" -- Heb 12:22-24

And, as prophesied by David and Isaiah (above,) he became the chief cornerstone:

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." -- Eph 2:19-22

Yeah I'm not biteing that bullet any more

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Preterist can believe what they want ...I'm done dancing with them

Awwww....Is it too dusty for ya?

Mark 6:11 And who soever should not be receiving ye, nor should be hearing ye, going out thence, shake off! the dust/coun <5522> from underneath thine feet into a testimony to them.
Amen I say unto ye, it shall be more tolerable to Sodom or Gomorrha in a day of judgment than that City".
[#5522 used in Revelation 18:19]

Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust/coun <5522> upon their heads and cried-out lamenting and mourning saying "Woe! Woe! the great City...............

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7164949&page=2
DO NOT WEEP!!!!! The Great City


.

 

[dfw69]

Awwww....Is it too dusty for ya?

Mark 6:11 And who soever should not be receiving ye, nor should be hearing ye, going out thence, shake off! the dust/coun <5522> from underneath thine feet into a testimony to them.
Amen I say unto ye, it shall be more tolerable to Sodom or Gomorrha in a day of judgment than that City".
[#5522 used in Revelation 18:19]

Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust/coun <5522> upon their heads and cried-out lamenting and mourning saying "Woe! Woe! the great City...............

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7164949&page=2
DO NOT WEEP!!!!! The Great City


.

I don't like the bullying and insulting remarks ....it's not cool ...yes I prefer peace over conflict of scriptures...

 

[Old Timer]

Preterist can believe what they want ...I'm done dancing with them

It would be fine if they knew a few different moves, but the constant obsession with the DofJ gets pretty boring after awhile.

 

[dfw69]

It would be fine if they knew a few different moves, but the constant obsession with the DofJ gets pretty boring after awhile.

It's pointless ... only God can show them otherwise....

My brain is too weak for their great intelligence of knowing the scriptures