10 lost tribes???

[Old Timer]

I want one too ..

Forget about it..

They cost way too much...

 

[dfw69]

This is apocalyptic language dfw69! The splitting of the moutain is the judgment language of separation. The struggle is NOT against flesh and blood. Notice again that you read of there being no light.

No light cause the kingdom of the antichrist will be in darkness.. Sun being black as sackcloth

Ebed did god rain plagues on Egypt or were they symbolic to? Do you believe it rain hail mix with fire?.. Did the Nile turn to blood?.. Was the waters of the sea split and did the walk on dry ground ? Or was it symbolic?

Notice it said nothing of a kingdom for Israel. You're sticking a lot in there but the feasts were the Old Covenant....no feasts in the New Covenant because Christ fulfilled them...Colossian 2:16, 17.

Yet Jesus said that thier house would be desolate .. Yet when Jesus returns and builds that temple it will no longer be desolate and feast will continue

No Jesus is in control. He received the reign from the Father. Hebrews 1.

The Kindom is already establihed...it comes to earth with the Lord, but it already is!

Have you read that passage carefully? It happened when Christ was raised. Revelation 11:15-19 happend when Jesus was raised. He took power and BEGAN to reign.

Matthew 28:18 rings loud and clear!

I understand and agree with you that it already is bro.. Just that it does not take away from what Jesus plans to do in the kingdom to come on earth

There is more to be done ... When Jesus said "it is done " it refers to atonement .. Not that all prophecy is fulfilled ..

 

[dfw69]

Forget about it..

They cost way too much...

I hear ya

 

[ob77]

Ten Lost Tribes? (Messianic Judaism)

This has nothing to do with Judaism. The tribes are 13, not ten. Judah was separated from Israel because they allowed the kenites in. They will become united again. Israel as well as Judah are from Adam. Esau too, are a brother to the tribes, even though he sold out his birthright, is still the begotten sons of the Father. Kenites are of Satan, beginning with Cain. Look up Kenite, and you will find the base root word Cain. A kenite is a decendant or son of cain, period. Judaism came from the Pharisees. Read John chapter 8 and see what Christ Himself says about them. You may want to check out the two volume set of books titled "The Pharisees" written by Louis Finkelstein in 1947. In it he documents the religion of the Pharisees right down to present day Judaism.

 

[KrAZeD]

LOL...

You have the Decoder Ring..

Don't you... come on...

Admit it..

Now that made my entire week, thank you old timer was needing a great chuckle.

 

[KrAZeD]

Here is another rather good commentary on that:

All Articles - Here a little, there a little - Index

The Two Houses Of Israel - Here a little, there a little - Prophecy
THE TWO HOUSES OF ISRAEL

There is a general error among most Christians and a lot of Jews regarding the identity of the children of Israel. Because of a general lack of historical understanding, most Christians believe that the Jews are ALL of the people chosen by God in the Old Testament.
Additionally, many Christians believe that they belong to an unrelated group known biblically as "Gentiles." In this article, we are going to show from the Scriptures that both of these conclusions are founded on incorrect assumptions.

From the very beginning of the split, the northern kingdom perverted and outright broke God's Laws. King Jeroboam immediately began to change the Law. He removed the Levites from the priesthood, which caused most of them to return to the southern kingdom of Judah (I Kings 13:33; II Chr. 11:13-14). He also set up calf idols at Bethel and Dan, set up shrines on high places, and changed the time and place for observing the Feasts of God (I Kings 12:26-33). These sinful innovations plagued the House of Israel throughout their existence.

Although God punished both houses, the Jews have always been recognized as His people for ONE reason. Unlike the assimilated House of Israel, they have strived to keep the sign that He said would forever identify the children of Israel:...........

CONCLUSION

The prophesied regathering of all the tribes of Israel is a process, not a singular event. This process began after the resurrection of Messiah Yeshua, and has slowly but surely been taking place for nearly 2,000 years. At this time, most Jews (the House of Judah) don't accept Yeshua as the Messiah. Conversely, most Christians (the House of Israel) don't accept the necessity of keeping Torah (the Law).
However, the Israel of God (Gal. 6:16), made up of those from both houses who are standing in the gap, accept both Yeshua and the Torah (Rev. 12:17; 14:12). YHVH will use those He has called to help reunite Judah and Ephraim under the Messiah in the land of Israel. Soon, Jews and Christians will recognize the respective flaws in their belief systems. Both houses of Israel will repent and be joined together once again, as Ezekiel foretold some 2,600 years ago (Eze. 37:15-28).................

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Link was a long read, not entirely off base.

Though while one tends to view "scattering" as running everywhere, it could also have been the needed catalyst to help them start unifying together and initiating their return.

 

[Old Timer]

Now that made my entire week, thank you old timer was needing a great chuckle.

 

[ebedmelech]

No light cause the kingdom of the antichrist will be in darkness.. Sun being black as sackcloth

No. There's no light because of the Lord's appearing. You see this in Deuteronomy 4:10, 11. You see it all through the Psalms when God appears like Psalms 18, 97. The prophets like Isaiah 13:10, 60:2, Jeremiah 4:28, 13:16, Ezekiel 32:7, Joel 2:2...this is what that darkness is from, the Lord's appearing.

Ebed did god rain plagues on Egypt or were they symbolic to? Do you believe it rain hail mix with fire?.. Did the Nile turn to blood?.. Was the waters of the sea split and did the walk on dry ground ? Or was it symbolic?

Of course not. However isn't it explained that way? Even more to the point, isn't God judging Egypt through Moses? Compare the Revelation the plagues though.

Yet Jesus said that their house would be desolate .. Yet when Jesus returns and builds that temple it will no longer be desolate and feast will continue

What you fail to see is the feast are used to describe what the represent. For instance, Paul in 1 Corinthians 5:8:
8 Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Notice the feast are symbolized in righteous living as keeping the feast.

How about how the Feast of Tabernacles represent God dwelling with man as Revelation 21:3 says:?
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,

How about Penetecost? It represents the Holy Spirit gathering the "first fruits" through salvation. Paul tells us in Romans 8:23 we are the "first fruits of the Spirit:
23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

These are what the feast represented...there will be no feasts...only that which the feast symbolized. As when Jesus spoke of the harvest and said "look at the fields for they are white for harvest.

I understand and agree with you that it already is bro.. Just that it does not take away from what Jesus plans to do in the kingdom to come on earth

What Jesus does is bring the kingdom to earth as in the Lord's prayer..."Your kingdom come, Your will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven". You see? In heaven is God's children, Jesus is coming to judge the world in righteousness. He's not going to set up a kingdom and reign over the wicked...He's going to judge them, and the kingdom is possessed by us.

There is more to be done ... When Jesus said "it is done " it refers to atonement .. Not that all prophecy is fulfilled ..

No one said "all prophecy is fulfilled". It's obvious there's more to come, the question is...is it what you're saying?

We will find out if we're alive when it comes to pass.

 

[dfw69]

No. There's no light because of the Lord's appearing. You see this in Deuteronomy 4:10, 11. You see it all through the Psalms when God appears like Psalms 18, 97. The prophets like Isaiah 13:10, 60:2, Jeremiah 4:28, 13:16, Ezekiel 32:7, Joel 2:2...this is what that darkness is from, the Lord's appearing.

Or.... Darkness is darkness.. Like when Pharaoh kingdom was in darkness ...

Of course not. However isn't it explained that way? Even more to the point, isn't God judging Egypt through Moses? Compare the Revelation the plagues though.

What's there to compare a plague is a plague IMO

What you fail to see is the feast are used to describe what the represent. For instance, Paul in 1 Corinthians 5:8:
8 Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Look to me like Paul says it's ok to celebrate the actual feast ..

Notice the feast are symbolized in righteous living as keeping the feast.

No I think he is referring to the actual feast .. And righteous living ..

How about how the Feast of Tabernacles represent God dwelling with man as Revelation 21:3 says:?
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,

What about it ?... God will be with men .. After the 1000 reign of Christ ..

Tabernacles will be observed again

Zack 14:16

Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

Zech 14:17

If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain.

How about Penetecost? It represents the Holy Spirit gathering the "first fruits" through salvation. Paul tells us in Romans 8:23 we are the "first fruits of the Spirit:

23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

These are what the feast represented...there will be no feasts...only that which the feast symbolized. As when Jesus spoke of the harvest and said "look at the fields for they are white for harvest.

What Jesus does is bring the kingdom to earth as in the Lord's prayer..."Your kingdom come, Your will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven". You see? In heaven is God's children, Jesus is coming to judge the world in righteousness. He's not going to set up a kingdom and reign over the wicked...He's going to judge them, and the kingdom is possessed by us.

No he says pray your kingdom come.. God tabernacle .. After the 1000 years ..the new Jerusalem ..

You say Jesus comes ... How so?...Please explain?

No one said "all prophecy is fulfilled". It's obvious there's more to come, the question is...is it what you're saying?

Well then what more is there ?

We will find out if we're alive when it comes to pass.

If is came to pass in our lifetime you will walk into the false messiah kingdom not Jesus ... But you don't believe a false messiah comes first.. At least you were warn ..so that if that day comes .. You may reject that false messiah and his laws

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by dfw69

The kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of Christ .. Literally ... When he returns
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Have you read that passage carefully? It happened when Christ was raised.
Revelation 11:15-19 happend when Jesus was raised.
He took power and BEGAN to reign.

Matthew 28:18 rings loud and clear!

Isn't Reve 12:5 showing His ascension?

Daniel 7:13
Perceiving I was in visions of the night and behold! with clouds of the heavens as Son of a Mortal//0606 'enash arriving he was.
And unto Ancient of the days he reached,
and before Him they brought him near.
[Micah 5/Reve 12]

Reve 12:
2 and having in belly, and she is crying-out, trevailing, and being tormented to be bringing forth/tekein <5088> (5629)
5 And she brought forth a Son, strong-male, who is being about to be Shepherding/poimainein <4165> (5721) all the nations in rod/staff, iron.
And is caught away the child of her toward the God, and toward His throne.
[Micah 5/Dan 7:13]


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[ebedmelech]

Or.... Darkness is darkness.. Like when Pharaoh kingdom was in darkness ...

Once again the purpose is given there. Moses doing as God told him. Very different from the prophets prophesying the stars dimming along with the sun and moon.

What's there to compare a plague is a plague IMO

Your "IMO" is just not correct. For instance, Revelation 16:13 compared to the plague of frogs. IN Exodus they are frogs...in Revelation 13 the frogs are told to be unclean spirits. So "a plague is not at plague except as John calls it there.

Look to me like Paul says it's ok to celebrate the actual feast ..

If you think so. Notice though...how he says it:

*Christ our Passover is sacrificed - so Christ fulfills Passover. "Behold the Lamb of God..."

*Passover was followed by the Feast of Unleavened Bread. "Leaven is symbolic of sin. Just as the Jews had to put leaven out of their home during the feast. So Paul now show that is saying "the unlevened bread OF sincerity and truth.

No I think he is referring to the actual feast .. And righteous living ..

If you think so.

What about it ?... God will be with men .. After the 1000 reign of Christ ..

Tabernacles will be observed again

Zack 14:16

Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

Zech 14:17

If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain.



No he says pray your kingdom come.. God tabernacle .. After the 1000 years ..the new Jerusalem ..

The point is to see what Tabernacles represented. it was the LAST feast of the year.

However you can't make one see what they don't want to see. Perhaps God will show you that.

You say Jesus comes ... How so?...Please explain?

Jesus come in judgment on the last day. He ressurects believers who have died, believers who are alive are "caught up to meet Him in the air. He then judges the world.

Well then what more is there ?

For Jesus to put down the rulers of the world, just as 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 says. Notice then comes THE END?

If is came to pass in our lifetime you will walk into the false messiah kingdom not Jesus ... But you don't believe a false messiah comes first.. At least you were warn ..so that if that day comes .. You may reject that false messiah and his laws

Not even. There are many "antichrists", have been and will be. John has told me how to know antichrist in 1 John 4:1-4, and in 2 John 1:7-11.

Not worried about that AT ALL.

 

[dfw69]

Once again the purpose is given there. Moses doing as God told him. Very different from the prophets prophesying the stars dimming along with the sun and moon.

I believe as god rain down plagues in Egypt .. God will again bring plagues.. And I believe the literal version .. Agree to disagree

Your "IMO" is just not correct. For instance, Revelation 16:13 compared to the plague of frogs. IN Exodus they are frogs...in Revelation 13 the frogs are told to be unclean spirits. So "a plague is not at plague except as John calls it there.

The unclean spirits gather the nations to Armageddon ..that is not a plague .. That is an actual event when the 10 kingdoms gather to Israel to destroy Jerusalem

Christ our Passover is sacrificed - so Christ fulfills Passover. "Behold the Lamb of God..."

There was a day I fulfilled my birthday .. And my birthday is celebrated

No difference with Passover.. Fulfilled by Jesus .. Celebrated by his followers

Passover was followed by the Feast of Unleavened Bread. "Leaven is symbolic of sin. Just as the Jews had to put leaven out of their home during the feast. So Paul now show that is saying "the unlevened bread OF sincerity and truth.

Yes keep it (the feast) in sincerity and truth .. The unleavened bread is sincerity and truth in this case

The point is to see what Tabernacles represented. it was the LAST feast of the year.

Tabernacles will not be completed until god is with men on earth which happens after the 1000 years reign of Jesus

God reveals these things for generations to know the order of things so that none are deceived...

However you can't make one see what they don't want to see. Perhaps God will show you that.

I am only sharing what many already know and believe...

Jesus come in judgment on the last day. He ressurects believers who have died, believers who are alive are "caught up to meet Him in the air. He then judges the world.

For Jesus to put down the rulers of the world, just as 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 says. Notice then comes THE END?

Are these things symbolic?... You should do A thread on unfulfilled prophecies and explain them .. On judgement his return the resurrection the end what these things mean to you

Not even. There are many "antichrists", have been and will be. John has told me how to know antichrist in 1 John 4:1-4, and in 2 John 1:7-11.

Yes many .....put just one of them in power with an evil political agenda and what can happen?.. Hitler ..Nero .. To name a few of what an antichrist can do in power

Not worried about that AT ALL.

Why not? If a false messiah came tomorrow what do you think will happen that keeps you safe from him ?

 

[ebedmelech]

I believe as god rain down plagues in Egypt .. God will again bring plagues.. And I believe the literal version .. Agree to disagree

It's ok...and interesting.

The unclean spirits gather the nations to Armageddon ..that is not a plague .. That is an actual event when the 10 kingdoms gather to Israel to destroy Jerusalem

Now...notice the same thing in Rev 20...only there it's Gog and Magog.

There was a day I fulfilled my birthday .. And my birthday is celebrated

No difference with Passover.. Fulfilled by Jesus .. Celebrated by his followers

How so? Jesus left the Lord's Supper to cebrate is sacrifice, and Baptism to show His ressurection. No feasts...Old Covenant.

Yes keep it (the feast) in sincerity and truth .. The unleavened bread is sincerity and truth in this case

Ok...so where you keeping Passover? Who has the spotless lamb, bitter herbs, and unleavened bread?

Tabernacles will not be completed until god is with men on earth which happens after the 1000 years reign of Jesus

That's right...only it's the harvest of Jesus' people to Himself...which is why Tabernacles was last of all the feasts...you'll find out.

God reveals these things for generations to know the order of things so that none are deceived...

Well wait...you just told me I would follow a false messiah???

I am only sharing what many already know and believe...

I know.

Are these things symbolic?... You should do A thread on unfulfilled prophecies and explain them .. On judgement his return the resurrection the end what these things mean to you

I don't have to...Paulis teaching the resurrection to the saints at Corinth. John is prophecying a vision given him...and he TELLS YOU he's using symbols.

Yes many .....put just one of them in power with an evil political agenda and what can happen?.. Hitler ..Nero .. To name a few of what an antichrist can do in power

I'm glad you see that.

Why not? If a false messiah came tomorrow what do you think will happen that keeps you safe from him ?

I'm believe the Lord...and I don't love my life...even to death. "Absent from the body, present with the Lord".

 

[dfw69]

It's ok...and interesting.

I'm so glad to know that your at least listening .. thank man I appreciate that

Now...notice the same thing in Rev 20...only there it's Gog and Magog.

Yes .. As far as ok know gog and Magog are places in the future that gathers only after satan is loosed..the order goes like this

Armageddon ..then . Jesus return... Establish kingdom in Jerusalem and ezek temple...satan bound 1000years....reigns 1000 years..then release from prison ... Goes to gog Magog to gather nations against Jesus city of Jerusalem ... Fire from heaven... New heaven new earth

So from Armageddon to the last rebellion at least a 1000 years of peace in between... How long is the last rebellion is not stated... But it is destroyed by god himself .... The fire engulf the whole earth ...

How so? Jesus left the Lord's Supper to cebrate is sacrifice, and Baptism to show His ressurection. No feasts...Old Covenant.

Though the Passover meal had to be done before actual Passover .. He still celebrate Passover with his disciples and to do this in remembrance of him ... They did as long as Passover existed no doubt...

As I said we can serve the feast properly without the temple... So you are correct in saying no need to observe feast

But I'm convince Jesus will restore the feast properly .. But before Jesus does... A false messiah does it before

Ok...so where you keeping Passover? Who has the spotless lamb, bitter herbs, and unleavened bread?

Lol... At Paul's time they keep the feast ... It's not a sin to not keep the feast... In fact I heard early Christians were persecuted for keeping the feast ...but I'm just saying that I believe the feast will be a part of Christianity when Jesus comes that's all

That's right...only it's the harvest of Jesus' people to Himself...which is why Tabernacles was last of all the feasts...you'll find out.

Well wait...you just told me I would follow a false messiah???

I did not mean it like that... Beware of the false messiah first ..

I'm believe the Lord...and I don't love my life...even to death. "Absent from the body, present with the Lord".

Amen

 

[ebedmelech]

Though the Passover meal had to be done before actual Passover .. He still celebrate Passover with his disciples and to do this in remembrance of him ... They did as long as Passover existed no doubt...

So now that you've said that...back it up with scripture dfw69. Show one passage where the apostles observe Passover.

As I said we can serve the feast properly without the temple... So you are correct in saying no need to observe feast

Really? God made it really clear how they were to observe Passover. Before you assume such a thing Read Leviticus 23.

But I'm convince Jesus will restore the feast properly .. But before Jesus does... A false messiah does it before

Based on what?

Lol... At Paul's time they keep the feast ... It's not a sin to not keep the feast... In fact I heard early Christians were persecuted for keeping the feast ...but I'm just saying that I believe the feast will be a part of Christianity when Jesus comes that's all

Show where that happened with scripture

I did not mean it like that... Beware of the false messiah first ..

Just a minute. In the Olivet Discourse jesus ware of false messiahs throughtout time...therefore we are to always be aware.

Amen

Amen again!

 

[dfw69]

So now that you've said that...back it up with scripture dfw69. Show one passage where the apostles observe Passover.

Really? God made it really clear how they were to observe Passover. Before you assume such a thing Read Leviticus 23.

Based on what?

Show where that happened with scripture

Just a minute. In the Olivet Discourse jesus ware of false messiahs throughtout time...therefore we are to always be aware.

Amen again!

Really you mean to tell me the early supper ritual (without the Passover lamb) was not a pre Passover meal?.. Breaking the unleavened bread saying this is my body.. And the drinking of wine saying this is my blood shed of the new covenant ... Which took place on Passover was not a Passover meal?

Ok .. Well who am I to convince otherwise

No feast ever?.. Ok ebed.. let's leave it at that

Peace

 

[ebedmelech]

Really you mean to tell me the early supper ritual (without the Passover lamb) was not a pre Passover meal?.. Breaking the unleavened bread saying this is my body.. And the drinking of wine saying this is my blood shed of the new covenant ... Which took place on Passover was not a Passover meal?

Ok .. Well who am I to convince otherwise

No feast ever?.. Ok ebed.. let's leave it at that

Peace

No. Did not Jesus say "Take eat. This is MY BODY which is broken for you"

He took the cup and said "This cup is the NEW COVENANT in My blood"

Do you read anything there about a lamb?

Jesus also said "as OFTEN as you do this you do show the Lords death."

In His death Jesus was the Passover Lamb.

Peace.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No. Did not Jesus say "Take eat. This is MY BODY which is broken for you"

He took the cup and said "This cup is the NEW COVENANT in My blood"

Do you read anything there about a lamb?

Jesus also said "as OFTEN as you do this you do show the Lords death."

In His death Jesus was the Passover Lamb.

Peace.

I don't think there is any doubt about that......

Greek Lexicon :: G286 (KJV)
Strong's Number G286 matches the Greek &#7936;&#956;&#957;&#8057;&#962; (amnos),
which occurs 4 times in 4 verses in the Greek concordance

NKJV) John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said "Behold! The Lamb/amnoV <286> of God who takes away the sin of the world!
36 And looking at Jesus as He walked he said "Behold the Lamb/amnoV <286> of God!"

Acts 8:32
And the contents of the Scripture that he was reading was this 'as sheep/flockling unto slaughter He was led
and as a Lamb/amnoV <286> before his shearer dumb, so He doth not open his mouth;
[Isaiah 53:7]

1 Peter 1:19
but to precious blood, as of a Lamb/amnou <286> unblemished/flawless and unspotted of Christ

Reve 5:6
And I saw and behold! in midst of the throne and of the four living-ones and in midst of the elders a lamb standing, as having been slaughtered/slain

http://www.christianforums.com/t7245442-3/#post47711023
The "lamb" in Revelation and John 21 question


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[dfw69]

No. Did not Jesus say "Take eat. This is MY BODY which is broken for you"

He took the cup and said "This cup is the NEW COVENANT in My blood"

Do you read anything there about a lamb?

Jesus also said "as OFTEN as you do this you do show the Lords death."

In His death Jesus was the Passover Lamb.

Peace.

It was the eve of Passover when they gathered.. Implying they were about to eat the Passover... Only without the lamb.. No need for it because Jesus was that lamb.... But they did eat unleavened bread which is Christ body and drank wine represent the blood shed for the new covenant .. The broken bread was unleavened bread... Representing sinless Christ body given to die being our Passover from death to life ...

Seems we agree except for the idea that the Passover feast was the lords supper ..

 

[ebedmelech]

It was the eve of Passover when they gathered.. Implying they were about to eat the Passover... Only without the lamb.. No need for it because Jesus was that lamb.... But they did eat unleavened bread which is Christ body and drank wine represent the blood shed for the new covenant .. The broken bread was unleavened bread... Representing sinless Christ body given to die being our Passover from death to life ...

Let Jesus settle this one. Luke 22:15-16:
15 And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
16 for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

Seems we agree except for the idea that the Passover feast was the lords supper ..

The New Covenant is given by the the Lord's Supper. They did eat the Passover but Jesus also instituted the Lodr's Supper to declare the New Covenant.