1.6-billion-year-old fossils push back origin of multicellular life by tens of millions of years

[Ragdoll]

Your post is totally full of miss information that is very easily debunked.

But, because I found it interesting, I'm only addressing the whale "up in the Andes" comment, which is totally wrong. Yes, there were multiple whale fossils found, but they were not "up in the Andes". They are found on the western edge of the Andes near the Pacific Ocean in the Atacama Desert. The Atacama Desert is a strip of land west of the Andes Mountains. It's the driest desert on earth.

The location of the whale fossils skeletons is called Cerro Ballena. It's just a few miles north of Caldera Chile. Over 40 individuals of adult and juvenile ages have been found there. Along with a lot of other critter fossils. It's been determined that there were 4 events of whale beaching 6.5 to 9 million years ago. The way they were on their backs, it's thought that they were already dead from alge bloom when beached.

There are no signs of a Bliblical flood in the area.

Here's a Youtube Video that describes the source of alge bloom from the iron washed down from the Andes.

And a Wiki link:
Cerro Ballena - Wikipedia

Ah, its a mountain slope on the Andes mountains. Its desert like but its still part of the Andes mountains. But if you insist on a desert then that's fine. I have a map of the earth from evolutions dating before the evolution of whales and the part of the region where over 80 whale fossils were found was dry land back then. Nothing was underwater so don't bother trying that one.
No signs of the Flood. Well you see that's where you're wrong. The whales are found in sedimentary rock. The entire mountain is sedimentary rock as you can see in this picture.

See the sedimentary rock yet? That was all formed by the erosive force of water. Geology 101. The entire mountain was under water. Its s dry mountain so there's where you get your desert language. Love how evolutionists try and twist things. There should be no sedimentary rock if indeed the extinction was caused by an asteroid!!! <----that's another triple excalm

 

[Larniavc]

The impact zone should contain the highest concentration of iridium in the world. Now you say that is stupid. But that's common sense 101.

No it isn't. Who is telling you this?

“It’s quite remarkable that we found concentrations this high within the impact structure itself. In the first hours to months after the impact, the crater was a highly turbulent environment affected by tsunamis and earthquakes. Luckily, the iridium layer was preserved. This unquestionably ties the formation of the crater to the mass extinction event that marked the end of the Cretaceous, and confirms that the asteroid impact and dinosaur extinction are indisputably linked."

Professor Morgan said: "Finding this iridium-rich layer places important time constraints on the rock layers lying above and beneath it. It shows that some life survived and lived in the ocean above the crater in the months to years following the impact."

Space dust found in Chicxulub crater confirms asteroid’s dinosaur-killing role | Imperial News | Imperial College London

Space dust found in the Chicxulub crater has provided evidence that the asteroid impact and dinosaur extinction are ‘indisputably linked’.

www.imperial.ac.uk

 

[Ragdoll]

No it isn't. Who is telling you this?

“It’s quite remarkable that we found concentrations this high within the impact structure itself. In the first hours to months after the impact, the crater was a highly turbulent environment affected by tsunamis and earthquakes. Luckily, the iridium layer was preserved. This unquestionably ties the formation of the crater to the mass extinction event that marked the end of the Cretaceous, and confirms that the asteroid impact and dinosaur extinction are indisputably linked."

Professor Morgan said: "Finding this iridium-rich layer places important time constraints on the rock layers lying above and beneath it. It shows that some life survived and lived in the ocean above the crater in the months to years following the impact."

Space dust found in Chicxulub crater confirms asteroid’s dinosaur-killing role | Imperial News | Imperial College London

Space dust found in the Chicxulub crater has provided evidence that the asteroid impact and dinosaur extinction are ‘indisputably linked’.

www.imperial.ac.uk

Quoting from a philosopher will not change the reality that an asteroid larger and heavier than Mt.Everest smashing into the earth at 40,000mph would leave behind the highest concentration of iridium in the world within the impact zone of this alleged K-T Boundary. Yet the highest concentrations of iridium in the world are all located in volcanic zones. That is a fact. And what is also a fact is that some volcanoes give off iridium emissions. That is why they find an iridium layer. But it has nothing to do with an asteroid. If it was an asteroid larger and heavier then Mt.Everest then there isn't nuch iridium within the impact site.

And just as a correction of myself. I did not mean to confuse you about the K-T Boundary. I was referring to the impact zone. That is where we should find the world's largest quantity of iridium.

Why is it so hard to admit that iridium on earth is mainly from volcanies? Iridium is rare on earth but you make it sound like I might have a giant iridium mine in my back yard. I wish that were the case. I'd be rich.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Quoting from a philosopher

Jo Morgan is a geophysicist, not a philosopher.

 

[Larniavc]

I did not mean to confuse you about the K-T Boundary.

Clearly you have no knowledge of this area of science. In which area of science did you do your 20 years of scientific research?

 

[Larniavc]

Why is it so hard to admit that iridium on earth is mainly from volcanies?

Because they are not. Please show me a map of iridium deposits and plate boundaries.

 

[TPop]

An omnipotent God can trivially clean up all evidence for a global flood, miracle up fresh genetic diversity and replace the rocks with evidence of millions of years of events... but it's a weirdly deceptive thing to do.

Unless His ways are not like your ways.

Peace and Blessings

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Unless His ways are not like your ways.

Peace and Blessings

No, it's still deceptive no matter how you slice it.

 

[TPop]

No, it's still deceptive no matter how you slice it.

Unless God hides the truth from the worldly wise.

Mat 11 comes to mind.

[Mat 11:20-27 KJV] 20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: 21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. 23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].

Re: OEC > Evolution

Life through evolution came to be through what? Carbon, minerals, chemistry, water, energy, etc? When will my TV, all the TVs and computers around the world evolve into new life/lifes?. They have all the requirements, don't they? They are just made of stuff required for life. Certainly, scientifically speaking, plenty or opportunity, significantly more opportunity for life to 'appear' now then before?

Peace and Blessings

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Unless God hides the truth from the worldly wise.

Mat 11 comes to mind.

[Mat 11:20-27 KJV] 20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: 21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. 23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].

Re: OEC > Evolution

Life through evolution came to be through what? Carbon, minerals, chemistry, water, energy, etc? When will my TV, all the TVs and computers around the world evolve into new life/lifes?. They have all the requirements, don't they? They are just made of stuff required for life. Certainly, scientifically speaking, plenty or opportunity, significantly more opportunity for life to 'appear' now then before?

Peace and Blessings

Hiding things and making the world look one way when it's apparently supposed to be another way is deceptive.

 

[dlamberth]

Unless God hides the truth from the worldly wise.

I don't believe God is capable of deception, at least the God I pray to anyway. There's a bit of dishonesty in deception that is anything but truth.

 

[TPop]

Hiding things and making the world look one way when it's apparently supposed to be another way is deceptive.

How many things has God done that would fit your term of deception?

Creating something from nothing by speaking it into being?
Creation

Holding the Sun still in the sky for hours? Stopping its rotation around the sun?
[Jos 10:12 KJV] 12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

Virgin birth?
Jesus' conception.

Time travel? Or physical space travel?
[Jhn 6:21 KJV] 21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

The Shadow of a man passing by and healing people?
[Act 5:7, 15 KJV] 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. ... 15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid [them] on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.

Clothing/apparel healing?
[Act 19:12 KJV] 12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

How unfair is this one! People piled up waiting to be the first. Never knowing when the angel would come, if he would come.
[Jhn 5:4 KJV] 4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

The list goes on demonstrating God's actions and how one today could say 'that's not fair'.
Just because you can explain some things away to your satisfaction does not mean all these things are not God's ways, which are not our ways, I.e. we don't understand.

The best targets are Old Earth and Evolution. One does not even need scripture to take a strong opinion and set up belief systems around supporting those two. Cause they all came from those that hate Jesus and do not trust scripture.

Peace and Blessings

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[TPop]

I don't believe God is capable of deception, at least the God I pray to anyway. There's a bit of dishonesty in deception that is anything but truth.

Neither do I. But as I responded to Warden, what fits your term of 'deception'?

Peace and Blessings.

 

[dlamberth]

Ah, its a mountain slope on the Andes mountains. Its desert like but its still part of the Andes mountains. But if you insist on a desert then that's fine. I have a map of the earth from evolutions dating before the evolution of whales and the part of the region where over 80 whale fossils were found was dry land back then. Nothing was underwater so don't bother trying that one.
No signs of the Flood. Well you see that's where you're wrong. The whales are found in sedimentary rock. The entire mountain is sedimentary rock as you can see in this picture.
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See the sedimentary rock yet? That was all formed by the erosive force of water. Geology 101. The entire mountain was under water. Its s dry mountain so there's where you get your desert language. Love how evolutionists try and twist things. There should be no sedimentary rock if indeed the extinction was caused by an asteroid!!! <----that's another triple excalm

Do you have resources of those 80 whale fossils? Where found maybe? Geology of area, pictures, studies and such.

I gave resources that debunked statements made by you with location, present and past geology, timing of beaching, cause of beaching and more. I'm hoping for the same from you.

 

[Larniavc]

Unless God hides the truth from the worldly wise.

That is an example of deception.

 

[dlamberth]

Neither do I. But as I responded to Warden, what fits your term of 'deception'?

As Shemjaze wrote in post#24....

An omnipotent God can trivially clean up all evidence for a global flood, miracle up fresh genetic diversity and replace the rocks with evidence of millions of years of events... but it's a weirdly deceptive thing to do.

That's deceptive.

 

[TPop]

65 million year old T Rex soft tissue.

Does it ever appear that 'science' is becoming like politicians and our Federal budget. 65 million years is now nothing to scientists and soft tissue, just like $100 billion to another country is nothing, but $100 bill to rebuild all the bridges and end of life transit structures is too much, and ~2.7 trillion in tax revenue, the most ever, is still not enough. It's all just numbers.

Apparently, there was enough Iron in the T Rex soft tissue to preserve it for 65 million years. 65 million years now just feels like a couple of centuries ago does it now? Just numbers.

I love this quote. Talk about it as if it is settled science. Is that not what some people do? Say the 'science' is settled? We just end the discussion with that statement.
"Then, in 2007, Schweitzer and her colleagues analyzed the chemistry of the T. rex proteins. They found the proteins really did come from dinosaur soft tissue. The tissue was collagen, they reported in the journal Science, and it shared similarities with bird collagen — which makes sense, as modern birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs such as T. rex."

Apparently Iron preserved it for 65 million years. Why not 2.6 billion. Just numbers?

Science is amazing! It can't make something that will preserve flesh for 65 million years. But it can explain how flesh was preserved for 65 million years. I love the wisdom of man!

Peace and Blessings

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

How many things has God done that would fit your term of deception?

Creating something from nothing by speaking it into being?
Creation

Holding the Sun still in the sky for hours? Stopping its rotation around the sun?
[Jos 10:12 KJV] 12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

Virgin birth?
Jesus' conception.

Time travel? Or physical space travel?
[Jhn 6:21 KJV] 21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

The Shadow of a man passing by and healing people?
[Act 5:7, 15 KJV] 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. ... 15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid [them] on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.

Clothing/apparel healing?
[Act 19:12 KJV] 12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

How unfair is this one! People piled up waiting to be the first. Never knowing when the angel would come, if he would come.
[Jhn 5:4 KJV] 4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

The list goes on demonstrating God's actions and how one today could say 'that's not fair'.
Just because you can explain some things away to your satisfaction does not mean all these things are not God's ways, which are not our ways, I.e. we don't understand.

The best targets are Old Earth and Evolution. One does not even need scripture to take a strong opinion and set up belief systems around supporting those two. Cause they all came from those that hate Jesus and do not trust scripture.

Peace and Blessings

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I'm going to stick with God flooding the world 4000 years ago then taking away all the evidence and having the world look like it's 14.5 billion years old as my case for an example of people saying God is deceptive.

That's not my God.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

65 million year old T Rex soft tissue.

Does it ever appear that 'science' is becoming like politicians and our Federal budget. 65 million years is now nothing to scientists and soft tissue, just like $100 billion to another country is nothing, but $100 bill to rebuild all the bridges and end of life transit structures is too much, and ~2.7 trillion in tax revenue, the most ever, is still not enough. It's all just numbers.

Apparently, there was enough Iron in the T Rex soft tissue to preserve it for 65 million years. 65 million years now just feels like a couple of centuries ago does it now? Just numbers.

I love this quote. Talk about it as if it is settled science. Is that not what some people do? Say the 'science' is settled? We just end the discussion with that statement.
"Then, in 2007, Schweitzer and her colleagues analyzed the chemistry of the T. rex proteins. They found the proteins really did come from dinosaur soft tissue. The tissue was collagen, they reported in the journal Science, and it shared similarities with bird collagen — which makes sense, as modern birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs such as T. rex."

Apparently Iron preserved it for 65 million years. Why not 2.6 billion. Just numbers?

Science is amazing! It can't make something that will preserve flesh for 65 million years. But it can explain how flesh was preserved for 65 million years. I love the wisdom of man!

Peace and Blessings

It's soft in the fact that it's not bone or rock. It's not soft-soft tissue. It's just the remains of soft tissue.

The rest of your post is rambling.

 

[TPop]

I'm going to stick with God flooding the world 4000 years ago then taking away all the evidence and having the world look like it's 14.5 billion years old as my case for an example of people saying God is deceptive.

That's not my God.

He did it with Adam. Why can't Jesus do it with the earth?

Peace and Blessings.