1.6-billion-year-old fossils push back origin of multicellular life by tens of millions of years

[dlamberth]

Look, the methodolgy is wrong. There is no time machine to check the dates with. Everything is right here in the present now with no way of confirmnation. That is not how scientific method works. Wikipedia is also wrong about the asteroid. It never happened. No proof it happened.
The Flood is proven by ancient antiquity that records it as well as geology. Now for geological proof we have sedimentary rock in which no asteroid would ever leave behind (since firestorms do not leave behind sedimentary rock). The dinos are found in sedimentary rock which tells us that the cause of death was water and not fire. Now with that out of the way we can exclude all fiery explanations from the investation. Next we have marine fossils found in all mountains of the world, including Mt.Everest. There are even many large whale fossils up in the Andes. How did they get there? They were rapidly buried in the sediments during the Flood and also afterward when the waters were receding. We also have ancient witnesses to the aftermath of the Flood.

Your post is totally full of miss information that is very easily debunked.

But, because I found it interesting, I'm only addressing the whale "up in the Andes" comment, which is totally wrong. Yes, there were multiple whale fossils found, but they were not "up in the Andes". They are found on the western edge of the Andes near the Pacific Ocean in the Atacama Desert. The Atacama Desert is a strip of land west of the Andes Mountains. It's the driest desert on earth.

The location of the whale fossils skeletons is called Cerro Ballena. It's just a few miles north of Caldera Chile. Over 40 individuals of adult and juvenile ages have been found there. Along with a lot of other critter fossils. It's been determined that there were 4 events of whale beaching 6.5 to 9 million years ago. The way they were on their backs, it's thought that they were already dead from alge bloom when beached.

There are no signs of a Bliblical flood in the area.

Here's a Youtube Video that describes the source of alge bloom from the iron washed down from the Andes.

And a Wiki link:
Cerro Ballena - Wikipedia

 

[AV1611VET]

There are no signs of a Bliblical flood in the area.

Should there be?

 

[Shemjaza]

Look, the methodolgy is wrong. There is no time machine to check the dates with. Everything is right here in the present now with no way of confirmnation. That is not how scientific method works. Wikipedia is also wrong about the asteroid. It never happened. No proof it happened.
The Flood is proven by ancient antiquity that records it as well as geology. Now for geological proof we have sedimentary rock in which no asteroid would ever leave behind (since firestorms do not leave behind sedimentary rock). The dinos are found in sedimentary rock which tells us that the cause of death was water and not fire. Now with that out of the way we can exclude all fiery explanations from the investation. Next we have marine fossils found in all mountains of the world, including Mt.Everest. There are even many large whale fossils up in the Andes. How did they get there? They were rapidly buried in the sediments during the Flood and also afterward when the waters were receding. We also have ancient witnesses to the aftermath of the Flood.

Job 14:18-19 (NIV 1984 Edition),

18 “But as a mountain erodes and crumbles
and as a rock is moved from its place,
19 as water wears away stones
and torrents wash away the soil,
so you destroy man's hope."

Job here is attributing rapid erosion to the Flood when he says "so You (referring to God) destroy man's hope (by sending a Flood).
What Job is doing here is an outstanding geological survey done in 2000 B.C.!! So we have human witnesses to the aftermath of the Flood.

Why did the dinosaur bones get minralised if they are only a few thousand years old?
Why don't mega fauna have minralised bones?
Why are there delicate structures in fossils demonstrating they were preserved in gentle water and not ocean crush depth pressure?
Why is there signs of changes in structures and erosion of sedimentary layers and further layers placed on them if they were created in one event?

Why is there no genetic evidence for all life having recent ancestors of less than 7 individuals?

Are aware that the majority of dinosaurs were not killed in anything to do with the mass extinction at the end of the Mesozoic?

Why are the laws of physics and chemistry demonstrable in evidence from the deep past from space, from genetic remnants, from fossils and from dendochronolgy from trees all consistent and in conflict with all Young Earth scenarios?

 

[Shemjaza]

Should there be?

An omnipotent God can trivially clean up all evidence for a global flood, miracle up fresh genetic diversity and replace the rocks with evidence of millions of years of events... but it's a weirdly deceptive thing to do.

 

[Larniavc]

If we apply scientific method to analysis we have to excluse all these dating methods completely.

You don’t understand those dating methods.

 

[Larniavc]

There is zero evidence for the K/pg event.

You don’t know what iridium is.

 

[Ragdoll]

You don’t know what iridium is.

Yeah I do know what iridium is. What about it?

 

[Ragdoll]

You don’t understand those dating methods.

Nobody understands those dating methods. No scientist is capable of knowing for certain that the dates are correct. Its assumed true without any effort of scientific discipline whatsoever. They may be able to date accurately back a thousand years, maybe even two thousands years. But there was a mass extinction on earth and the cause of that extinction, whether one accepts the Flood or the asteroid, would have no doubt greatly upset the carbon balance. But nobody considers that because they just aren't thinking like scientists. Then there is the honesty factor and evolutionists cannot be trusted with anything since they have a political agenda and they say what they are paid-off to say by socialist politicians. And had it not been for socialism in this country evolution theory would be removed as a scientific view of the world. This is because in the world if real science the theory has been discredited many times. The first big blow to evolution is when Dr.Louis Pasteur proved that spontaneous generation could never happen no matter how much time one gives it. He completely discredited biological evolution. Yet here we are today still debating a done argument that has been fully discredited by science. Everything about the theory has been discredited. But the public is not made aware of this because of the political strife in our country right now. And as I said before and now say again, those dating methods are not supported by scientific method because they cannot know for certain that there dates are correct unless they invent a time machine and go back in time to check their dates with. Contrary to popular belief, science cannot solve everything. Science is more for things of the present then it is the past.

 

[Larniavc]

Yet here we are today still debating a done argument that has been fully discredited by science. Everything about the theory has been discredited.

Please show where it has been fully discredited.

 

[Ragdoll]

Please show where it has been fully discredited.

Please do some research. I'm not gonna hold your hand here. You have to put forth some effort.
What was it about iridium you didn't think I know about?

 

[Larniavc]

Please do some research. I'm not gonna hold your hand here. You have to put forth some effort.
What was it about iridium you didn't think I know about?

You make the claim, you support it or be laughed out of the debate room.

Where do you think the iridium layer at the KT boundary came from?

 

[Ragdoll]

You make the claim, you support it or be laughed out of the debate room.

Where do you think the iridium layer at the KT boundary came from?

What do I think about the K-T Boundary? I think that its located in a volcanic zone and volcanoes are known to give off iridium emissions. No?

 

[Larniavc]

What do I think about the K-T Boundary? I think that its located in a volcanic zone and volcanoes are known to give off iridium emissions. No?

No. It’s world wide. With concentrations around impact craters. Whoever told you it was located in a volcanic zone?

 

[Ragdoll]

No. It’s world wide. With concentrations around impact craters. Whoever told you it was located in a volcanic zone?

Fortunately evolutionists provide us with a map of the K-T Boundary and its not world-wide. At least not if you follow the map they provide and stick to the theory. If one feels they need to deviate from the theory then why not abandon the theory altogether?
Less then 5 minutes of google research will show you all the volcanoes in the K-T Boundary. This 5 minute research will also show you that volcanoes give off iridium emissions. So the iridium in the Yucatan region is due to volcanic activity.

Here's where this iridium thing gets real good. A simple 15 minute research on google will reveal to you that iridium concentrations in countries far away from the K-T Boundary have higher concentrations of iridium then Mexico! What does this mean? Well, if the asteroid did smash into the Yucatan like evolutionists claim then there is no dount that the region would have the highest concentrations of iridium in the entire world by far. But this is not the case at all. Other countries have higher iridium levels. And guess where all these iridium rich areas of the world are all located in? They are all located in a volcanic zone!!! <----and that's a triple exclam.

So you see there is no defense for the asteroid death. The fossils are found in sedimentary rock which is formed by water and not fire. Firestorms do not leave behind fossil records in sedimentary rock! There are dinosaur graveyards located inside the K-T Boundary. This should not be since the temperature of impact is said to be hotter then the sun. No way such an impact will leave fossils in that zone (or anywhere else on earth for all that).

Anyway, that was a quick lesson in real geology at no cost to you

 

[Larniavc]

far away from the K-T Boundary

You do know the KT Boundary is not a location, correct?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Fortunately evolutionists provide us with a map of the K-T Boundary and its not world-wide. At least not if you follow the map they provide and stick to the theory. If one feels they need to deviate from the theory then why not abandon the theory altogether?
Less then 5 minutes of google research will show you all the volcanoes in the K-T Boundary. This 5 minute research will also show you that volcanoes give off iridium emissions. So the iridium in the Yucatan region is due to volcanic activity.

Here's where this iridium thing gets real good. A simple 15 minute research on google will reveal to you that iridium concentrations in countries far away from the K-T Boundary have higher concentrations of iridium then Mexico! What does this mean? Well, if the asteroid did smash into the Yucatan like evolutionists claim then there is no dount that the region would have the highest concentrations of iridium in the entire world by far. But this is not the case at all. Other countries have higher iridium levels. And guess where all these iridium rich areas of the world are all located in? They are all located in a volcanic zone!!! <----and that's a triple exclam.

So you see there is no defense for the asteroid death. The fossils are found in sedimentary rock which is formed by water and not fire. Firestorms do not leave behind fossil records in sedimentary rock! There are dinosaur graveyards located inside the K-T Boundary. This should not be since the temperature of impact is said to be hotter then the sun. No way such an impact will leave fossils in that zone (or anywhere else on earth for all that).

Anyway, that was a quick lesson in real geology at no cost to you

Except none of that was real at all.

 

[Ragdoll]

You do know the KT Boundary is not a location, correct?

Well, evolutionists do often contradict themselves in their own theories. Here is a picture of the ejecta from the alleged Chicxulub impact. You will see the zone in which this supposedly took place. And in that zone there should be more iridium then in any other place in the world. But there is not. Other parts of the world far removed from the Yucatan have higher concentrations of iridium. However, if you chose to entertain me with the global firestorm version of this tale I will be much obliged. Good luck with that one.

How is this worldwide? I mean, I did take this from those who believe in the local firestorm version.
Anyway, all the iridium in the world is located in volcanic areas. Since volcanoes do give off iridium emissiions I think its safe to say we know how the iridium got there

And if you want to entertain the global firestorm version you're in for a real headache on that one

 

[Larniavc]

Well, evolutionists do often contradict themselves in their own theories. Here is a picture of the ejecta from the alleged Chicxulub impact. You will see the zone in which this supposedly took place. And in that zone there should be more iridium then in any other place in the world. But there is not. Other parts of the world far removed from the Yucatan have higher concentrations of iridium. However, if you chose to entertain me with the global firestorm version of this tale I will be much obliged. Good luck with that one.
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How is this worldwide? I mean, I did take this from those who believe in the local firestorm version.
Anyway, all the iridium in the world is located in volcanic areas. Since volcanoes do give off iridium emissiions I think its safe to say we know how the iridium got there

And if you want to entertain the global firestorm version you're in for a real headache on that one

This conversation is stupid. You're assertions are stupid. Exactly what was the area of research you were involved with?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Well, evolutionists do often contradict themselves in their own theories. Here is a picture of the ejecta from the alleged Chicxulub impact. You will see the zone in which this supposedly took place. And in that zone there should be more iridium then in any other place in the world. But there is not. Other parts of the world far removed from the Yucatan have higher concentrations of iridium. However, if you chose to entertain me with the global firestorm version of this tale I will be much obliged. Good luck with that one.
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How is this worldwide? I mean, I did take this from those who believe in the local firestorm version.
Anyway, all the iridium in the world is located in volcanic areas. Since volcanoes do give off iridium emissiions I think its safe to say we know how the iridium got there

And if you want to entertain the global firestorm version you're in for a real headache on that one

But that's not the KT boundary. That's the result of the asteroid on initial impact, and the graph shows the immediate after effects and ejecta. The KT boundary is a global layer of sediment that show the global effect of the Chicxulub asteroid, or impactor as it's also called.

You do not know what you are talking about at all.

 

[Ragdoll]

This conversation is stupid. You're assertions are stupid. Exactly what was the area of research you were involved with?

The impact zone should contain the highest concentration of iridium in the world. Now you say that is stupid. But that's common sense 101.