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You can never prove evolution

That is just not true.
Evolution (in the sense of common ancestry of species) is a fact.
Then there is the theory of evolution (natural selection etc) that explains said fact.

Theories are never considered "proven" in science.

because a necessary condition of proof is the existence of those who proves.

The existence of what, now?

According to evolutionary conceptions, man (who would have to show the evolution) is the last link in the biospheric chain. So evolution is faith. No proved.

This not sense does make.
 
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It's logical. No man, not proof.

The evidence for evolution exists, wheter homo sapiens exist or not.
The only thing homo sapiens does, is discover that evidence and the mechanics behind it.

Evolutioner scientists say lies. They say that rocks and stalagmites take a long time to form. But the proofs say other:

Bottle stalagmite. In the early 1950’s, a lemonade bottle was left behind in the Jenolan Caves in New South Wales, Australia. The bottle had been placed directly underneath a stalactite that regularly dripped down onto the bottle. This photo was taken about 30 years later and shows the bottle being covered by a stalagmite:

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Whatever makes you think you have a case against evolution is good enough for you, that is clear.
 
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That is just not true.
Evolution (in the sense of common ancestry of species) is a fact.
Then there is the theory of evolution (natural selection etc) that explains said fact.

Theories are never considered "proven" in science.



The existence of what, now?



This not sense does make.

You said: Theories are never considered "proven" in science.
I say the same: Evolution is not proved.
 
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You said: Theories are never considered "proven" in science.
I say the same: Evolution is not proved.
It is also not disproved.
The EOC stance on evolution is fairly well know, but I just wonder if they will ever change their stance on it considering that the early Church Fathers really had no understanding of it?

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...now-understand-the-scriptures-better.7263824/
Did the ECFs really know/understand the Scriptures better?

http://www.asna.ca/articles/200501-03.html
EVOLUTION: A CRITICAL QUESTION FOR ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS TODAY

Like North Americans in general, most Orthodox Christians believe the evolution debate is over, that "science" won, and that the views once held by the Church have been dismissed as an analogy of centuries past........................................

On the contrary, however, evolution is hardly a "done deal", and the question of evolution vs. creation cuts to the very heart of the Orthodox worldview.
Those who accept it as somehow compatible with Orthodox Christian teaching, or who see the question as irrelevant, should consider the following:

1) The Witness of the Church Fathers contradicts evolutionary theory. A multiplicity of Church Fathers - most notably St. Basil the Great.................
2) Evolution is a Scientific Theory - Not a Scientific Fact. When secular science discovered the theory of evolution, it realized it had found a necessary concept to fill a philosophical void which says that since God could not have created the universe, some alternate theory - any theory - is needed to explain it...................
3) Evolutionary Theory is Incompatible with Orthodoxy - and Opposed to It. The whole point of Christ's Death and Resurrection was to redeem us from the consequences of the Fall: this underscores the idea that our human condition, according to the Orthodox worldview, is worse now than it was at one time, not better.
The idea of Social Darwinism - that our world societies are improving, and that we are moving toward a fundamentally more perfect state of the human race - contradicts the prophetic witness of the scriptures and the Fathers that this world will culminate in the rule of Antichrist, not in an earthly utopia........................................

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If I am not mistaken, doesn't the RCC lean towards evolution as being more than a theory and perhaps more of scientific facts?

http://www.newsweek.com/pope-franci...ot-controversial-among-roman-catholics-281115
Pope Francis’s Remarks on Evolution

Pope Francis has been head of the Catholic Church for less than two years, but in that time he has managed to overshadow his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, with his progressive statements on issues ranging from gay marriage to capitalism. On Monday, he did it again, saying evolutionary theory does not contradict biblical teaching—at an unveiling of a bust of Benedict.

This time, however, his remarks may not have been that revolutionary for Roman Catholics across the world.

Pope Francis told an audience from the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in Vatican City on Monday that theories of evolution and the Big Bang are not inconsistent with creationism and biblical teaching. “The evolution in nature is not opposed to the notion of Creation, because evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve,” Pope Francis said, according to a Vatican newswire transcript of the event.........................................

“[Francis’s] views echo those of his predecessors, including Pope Benedict XVI and especially John Paul II on the importance of respecting the independence and integrity of scientific inquiry,” Miller said.

Where Francis departs from his predecessor Benedict, is that he appears not merely to tolerate the existence of the theory of evolution, but to celebrate it, John F. Haught, a Roman Catholic theologian and professor of theology at Georgetown University tells Newsweek.............................




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You said: Theories are never considered "proven" in science.
I say the same: Evolution is not proved.

But you clearly realise that there is also the FACT of evolution.

Just like there is a theory of gravity on the one hand and then a fact of gravity on the other.

If your point is that a scientific theory is not proven, then you are just stating the obvious - since no scientific theory is ever considered "proven".

And I'll bet that you don't even know why that is.

But make no mistake, evolution (as in: common ancestry of species) is a fact. A proven genetic fact.

Theories explain facts (and laws).
Facts (and laws) support theories.
 
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It is also not disproved.
The EOC stance on evolution is fairly well know, but I just wonder if they will ever change their stance on it considering that the early Church Fathers really had no understanding of it.

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...now-understand-the-scriptures-better.7263824/
Did the ECFs really know/understand the Scriptures better?

http://www.asna.ca/articles/200501-03.html

On the contrary, however, evolution is hardly a "done deal", and the question of evolution vs. creation cuts to the very heart of the Orthodox worldview. Those who accept it as somehow compatible with Orthodox Christian teaching, or who see the question as irrelevant, should consider the following:

1) The Witness of the Church Fathers contradicts evolutionary theory. A multiplicity of Church Fathers - most notably St. Basil the Great.................
2) Evolution is a Scientific Theory - Not a Scientific Fact. When secular science discovered the theory of evolution, it realized it had found a necessary concept to fill a philosophical void which says that since God could not have created the universe, some alternate theory - any theory - is needed to explain it...................
3) Evolutionary Theory is Incompatible with Orthodoxy - and Opposed to It. The whole point of Christ's Death and Resurrection was to redeem us from the consequences of the Fall: this underscores the idea that our human condition, according to the Orthodox worldview, is worse now than it was at one time, not better. The idea of Social Darwinism - that our world societies are improving, and that we are moving toward a fundamentally more perfect state of the human race - contradicts the prophetic witness of the scriptures and the Fathers that this world will culminate in the rule of Antichrist, not in an earthly utopia........................................

===============================================================================================

If I am not mistaken, doesn't the RCC lean towards evolution as being more than a theory and perhaps more of scientific facts?

http://www.newsweek.com/pope-franci...ot-controversial-among-roman-catholics-281115
Pope Francis’s Remarks on Evolution

Pope Francis has been head of the Catholic Church for less than two years, but in that time he has managed to overshadow his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, with his progressive statements on issues ranging from gay marriage to capitalism. On Monday, he did it again, saying evolutionary theory does not contradict biblical teaching—at an unveiling of a bust of Benedict.

This time, however, his remarks may not have been that revolutionary for Roman Catholics across the world.

Pope Francis told an audience from the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in Vatican City on Monday that theories of evolution and the Big Bang are not inconsistent with creationism and biblical teaching. “The evolution in nature is not opposed to the notion of Creation, because evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve,” Pope Francis said, according to a Vatican newswire transcript of the event.........................................

“[Francis’s] views echo those of his predecessors, including Pope Benedict XVI and especially John Paul II on the importance of respecting the independence and integrity of scientific inquiry,” Miller said.

Where Francis departs from his predecessor Benedict, is that he appears not merely to tolerate the existence of the theory of evolution, but to celebrate it, John F. Haught, a Roman Catholic theologian and professor of theology at Georgetown University tells Newsweek.............................




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I'm Eastern Orthodox Christian an I believe the 6-days Creation of Bible!

Evolution is only a theory. And is not proved. Evolution can't proved and will always be just a theory.

Bible is proved.

Not only is the Bible filled with the fundamentals of science, but it is as much as 3,000 years ahead of its time.

The Bible’s statements in most cases directly contradicted the science of the day in which they were made. When modern scientific knowledge approaches reality, the divine accuracy of the scriptures is substantiated.

If you want read more: Biblical Forecasts of Scientific Discoveries - By Dr. Hugh Ross, Astronomer, CA, USA
 
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It's logical. No man, not proof.

Evolutioner scientists say lies. They say that rocks and stalagmites take a long time to form. But the proofs say other:

Bottle stalagmite. In the early 1950’s, a lemonade bottle was left behind in the Jenolan Caves in New South Wales, Australia. The bottle had been placed directly underneath a stalactite that regularly dripped down onto the bottle. This photo was taken about 30 years later and shows the bottle being covered by a stalagmite:

FF-10-Bottle-Stalagmite-149x300.jpg


Some Bamboo can grow up to 15 feet in a single season. Does that mean that all trees grow that fast? (you know that there are different types of stalagmite, right?)
 
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Some Bamboo can grow up to 15 feet in a single season. Does that mean that all trees grow that fast? (you know that there are different types of stalagmite, right?)

Yes. Also, there are fast rocks. So the millions years are not standard, are not proved. Because we have fast stalagmites, fast trees, fast rocks.

We say the same!

These are only a few examples of how fast rocks, fossils, stalactites and stalagmites can form:

If these can form is such short time, isn’t it possible that with the right chemicals and conditions that all of the fossils ever found could also have formed quickly?

FF-9-fossil-pipe-300x271.jpg

Limestone in pipe. While working at another creation ministry, a supporter called me one day to tell me that he had an amazing example of rapid rock formation. He worked in an oil and gas field in Louisiana. One of their metal pipes had become clogged. When they removed the pipe, they found that the inside of the pipe had been filled with a formation of a solid limestone. The limestone formed in about 3 months of high pressured gas, salt water and other minerals being pumped from a well through the pipe. A close examination of the limestone inside the pipe showed that it was also finely layered. If you look closely at the photo you can see the layering in the limestone. Had he taken the rock out of the pipe and showed it to an evolutionist, they would have said that it formed over hundreds of years because of all the layers, many thousands or millions of years ago.


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Pool filter sand. Many swimming pools use a sand filter to keep the water clean. While working on his swimming pool one day, a man in Ohio discovered that the sand in his pool filter had become hardened. It didn’t just harden into a crumbly hard sand, but it turned into a very hard sandstone. He had to take a hammer and chisel and several hours of work to break it up and remove it from the pool filter. The sand had only been in the filter for 5 years.



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Fossil hat. The soft felt hat of a miner was found in a mine in Tasmania. It had been covered with water for more than 50 years. The minerals in the water were absorbed into the felt material of the hat turning it hard as stone. What once was a soft hat had become a hard hat.


FF-3-clock-in-rock.jpg

Clock in the rock. Found in 1975 near the South Jetty at Westport, Washington, this clock mechanism was found partially encased in solid rock, just like the bells from the ship. They also found seashells in the rock that surrounded the clock. Were clocks around millions of years ago?

 
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If these can form is such short time, isn’t it possible that with the right chemicals and conditions that all of the fossils ever found could also have formed quickly?

No.

And you completely missed the point.
 
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And this photo (“Stop following me! We’re not related!”) is my serious opinion. The monkeys and fishes are not my relatives. I respect you and all others. But this is my opinion.

Sorry, but the word "opinion" refers generally to subjective matters that are not subject to evidence, such as "I like strawberry more than vanilla". Calling a testable claim an "opinion", as if that made it immune from testing, is simple evasion.

What if I said that it was my "opinion" that we live on a flat earth, that dinosaurs had 6 legs, or that the Roman Empire was founded & ruled by aliens from the planet Koolaib?

Well, my "opinion" would just be plain wrong. It doesn't matter if it's my "opinion" or even if it's my "serious opinion". And if someone asked me to support my claims with evidence, and I said "no evidence needed, since that's my serious opinion", I'd be being pretty silly, right?

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Yes. Also, there are fast rocks. So the millions years are not standard, are not proved. Because we have fast stalagmites, fast trees, fast rocks.

We say the same!

These are only a few examples of how fast rocks, fossils, stalactites and stalagmites can form:

If these can form is such short time, isn’t it possible that with the right chemicals and conditions that all of the fossils ever found could also have formed quickly?

FF-9-fossil-pipe-300x271.jpg

Limestone in pipe. While working at another creation ministry, a supporter called me one day to tell me that he had an amazing example of rapid rock formation. He worked in an oil and gas field in Louisiana. One of their metal pipes had become clogged. When they removed the pipe, they found that the inside of the pipe had been filled with a formation of a solid limestone. The limestone formed in about 3 months of high pressured gas, salt water and other minerals being pumped from a well through the pipe. A close examination of the limestone inside the pipe showed that it was also finely layered. If you look closely at the photo you can see the layering in the limestone. Had he taken the rock out of the pipe and showed it to an evolutionist, they would have said that it formed over hundreds of years because of all the layers, many thousands or millions of years ago.


FF-7-pool-filter-sandstone.jpg

Pool filter sand. Many swimming pools use a sand filter to keep the water clean. While working on his swimming pool one day, a man in Ohio discovered that the sand in his pool filter had become hardened. It didn’t just harden into a crumbly hard sand, but it turned into a very hard sandstone. He had to take a hammer and chisel and several hours of work to break it up and remove it from the pool filter. The sand had only been in the filter for 5 years.


FF-5-fossil-hat-300x225.jpg

Fossil hat. The soft felt hat of a miner was found in a mine in Tasmania. It had been covered with water for more than 50 years. The minerals in the water were absorbed into the felt material of the hat turning it hard as stone. What once was a soft hat had become a hard hat.


FF-3-clock-in-rock.jpg

Clock in the rock. Found in 1975 near the South Jetty at Westport, Washington, this clock mechanism was found partially encased in solid rock, just like the bells from the ship. They also found seashells in the rock that surrounded the clock. Were clocks around millions of years ago?

Mineralisation is different from fossilisation. Look up and understand the difference, and you'll have answers to all the question's you've posed here.
 
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LOL! You too?
Reminds me of this hilarious movie:

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Walter W. : "Stop following me!"
Roger P. : "Isn't a son supposed to follow in his dad's footsteps?"
Walter W.: "I lost my job, my house and my Rolls Royce; My family left me...What else can possibly go wrong?"

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For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor,
that you, through His poverty, might become rich.
Rev 3:17
“Because thou sayest: ‘I am rich and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'—
and do not know that thou are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—'






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LOL! Hilarious ^_^
 
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You and some others here are laboring under a popular misconception about the use of the term "theory" in science. In science, a theory means simply two or more assumptions linked together. Whether it is fact or speculation makes no difference. It is still called a theory. As far as evolution goes, this theory is among the best supported in science.
 
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Abel, your arguments make absolutely no sense. What on earth does being the end product of evolution have to do with being unable to prove evolution? Also, there is a long history of findings being presented that supposedly challenge evolution. They maybe look convincing to laity, true. However, they are all easily debunked by science. For example, the creation-science propaganda mill has presented the moon-dust argument, the variable c argument, the human-footprints-among-dinosaurs argument, the Darwin-and-the finches argument, etc. In every case these have been debunked stem to stern. The interesting thing about creation science is that these people will continue promoting these propaganda pieces even though the creation-science community itself has published literature admitting these are bogus.
 
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But of course you can prove your God after all that's why you believe.

I was an atheist.

When I was at University (2000, 19 years old), one day I said to Jesus Christ:

«If You are the God, if You exist really and if You tell in Holy Bible “If someone knocks Me I will open him”, give me an answer where is the Truth. And if You give me an answer I will not deny You!».

So after much pray and soul searching I find the Truth in the Eastern Orthodox Church! And in 2001, I baptized Eastern Orthodox Christian!

If you want you can read HERE in my site about atheism, my conversion from atheism to Eastern Orthodox Church.

There was a need, God did a small miracle so as to believe Him.

I said to God: IF YOU EXIST ANSWER ME.

And He answer me. So simple.

I respect and I understand all atheists, because I was an atheist too.

This is the 1st reason that I believe to God. He answer me.

The 2nd reason is the Prophecies of Old Testament:

THE BIBLICAL PROOF ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD: OLD TESTAMENT PROPHECIES OF THE MESSIAH (JESUS CHRIST) FULFILLED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

The 3rd reason that I believe to God is the Earth... its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
 
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I was an atheist.
When I was at University (2000, 19 years old), one day I said to Jesus Christ:
The above tells everyone that what you are saying does not ring true, if you were an atheists you would not be "talking" to Jesus because you would not believe Jesus existed, how could you "talk" to someone you didn't believe existed? if you were an atheist why were you praying? do you also talk to Allah?
 
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The above tells everyone that what you are saying does not ring true, if you were an atheists you would not be "talking" to Jesus because you would not believe Jesus existed, how could you "talk" to someone you didn't believe existed? if you were an atheist why were you praying? do you also talk to Allah?

I said to Jesus Christ: "... if You exist ...".

Read it again please:

I said to Jesus Christ:

«If You are the God, if You exist really and if You tell in Holy Bible “If someone knocks Me I will open him”, give me an answer where is the Truth. And if You give me an answer I will not deny You!».

I was born as a protestant and after I became an atheist. On 1999 (18 years old)

On September 1999 (18 years old) in Athens, Greece, where I lived, there was a great earthquake which was new to me. For several days were aftershocks and day by day more and accumulate within the fear of something worse leading evenings I could not, not to sleep, nor even to lie on the bed. One evening, while I was awake and the rest my family slept, thought to settle my library so as it turned from it all books and other things, deep in a shelf and powder I found in a small New Testament which he had given several years before.

I arranged the library and, as I had the whole evening in front of, I thought to read some New Testament, since not sleep nor did anything else.

With that in spring in a random page and I began reading I was surprised. My heart was filled with calmness, courage and joy. All fright which I had accumulated in me from the first earthquake and repeated aftershocks disappeared immediately. Plus I do not feel fear of aftershocks.

Immediately thought that God exists and that He just showed it to me! I was a Protestant.

On 2000 I knew the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Then I said to Jesus Christ:
«If You are the God, if You exist really and if You tell in Holy Bible “If someone knocks Me I will open him”, give me an answer where is the Truth. And if You give me an answer I will not deny You!».

And He answered me.

Here is my all personal story:

https://atheistsmetorthodoxy.wordpr...m-the-flirting-with-the-hippies-to-orthodoxy/

Really, I respect all the atheists & all the protestants.
 
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I said to God: IF YOU EXIST ANSWER ME.

And He answer me. So simple.

Many of us atheists have done the exact same thing and gotten absolutely no answer. Many former Christians, desperate to retain their faith and terrified of the implications of what they had found, did the same, and also got no answer. In fact, many Christians on this site would claim that our attempts to do so amount to "testing" god, and that that is blasphemous.

Your arguments throughout this thread are nothing more than a rehashing of incredibly poor creationist PRATTs. Do some basic research and you'll find that you fundamentally misunderstand what "theory" means in science, that concretion is not the same thing as fossilization, that the accuracy of one part of a text does not guarantee the accuracy of another part, and that simple DNA testing can confirm our relation to apes much as it can confirm your relation to your father.
 
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Many of us atheists have done the exact same thing and gotten absolutely no answer. Many former Christians, desperate to retain their faith and terrified of the implications of what they had found, did the same, and also got no answer. In fact, many Christians on this site would claim that our attempts to do so amount to "testing" god, and that that is blasphemous.

Your arguments throughout this thread are nothing more than a rehashing of incredibly poor creationist PRATTs. Do some basic research and you'll find that you fundamentally misunderstand what "theory" means in science, that concretion is not the same thing as fossilization, that the accuracy of one part of a text does not guarantee the accuracy of another part, and that simple DNA testing can confirm our relation to apes much as it can confirm your relation to your father.

I know many former atheists like me who met the God:

Klaus Kenneth, Germany

FRANK SCHAEFFER, USA: THE ATHEIST WHO BELIEVES IN GOD

etc.
 
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