“Stop following me! We’re not related!”

[Jay Follett]

If you don't have a problem with the people, why do you insult them constantly for having their beliefs?

Don't you have trouble with their beliefs? do you think it's normal for people to believe things that are impossible? do you knowingly have deluded people as friends, I know I don't, I may have deluded people as friends but they haven't informed me of any strange beliefs they have, if they do they are doing a good job of keeping it to themselves.
Crazy ideas are not the same as crazy beliefs, being ill informed is quite common but deliberately believing in the impossible is unforgivable, there is no excuse for being deliberately ignorant.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Don't you have trouble with their beliefs?

I have no issue with people being religious. I only have issues with it if they try to force it upon others, but that's the people at fault on that one.

do you think it's normal for people to believe things that are impossible?

The existence of deities in general is not impossible. If you think it is, then you'd better change that agnostic label to "gnostic atheist". Which, btw, is not a better position than being a gnostic theist. Sure, some of the specifics of certain religions have been disproven or are logically flawed, and people often believe in those portions as well, but so long as it doesn't make them act like garbage, I don't see why I should care. You might bring up those that try to get their religion in schools, yada yada yada, what do you think I mean when I say "act like garbage"? If you want your kids indoctrinated, fine, don't force the rest of the students to go through it too.

do you knowingly have deluded people as friends

Probably, like a guy who thinks that he is the hottest thing, and he ugly. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy his antics.

, I know I don't

That's because you are the deluded one; you are entrenched in this superiority complex that puts you above theists, but it makes you act like a jerk no theist would openly be around. And I cannot fathom how you think you deserve it, when your grammar is so bad that the periods are abandoning your diction.

, I may have deluded people as friends but they haven't informed me of any strange beliefs they have, if they do they are doing a good job of keeping it to themselves.

They probably wouldn't tell you about it, because they know you'd give them crap over it. Just like most atheists in the U.S. don't bring it up for fear of retaliation, your theist friends don't want your retaliation. Is that really fair to them, are you a good friend for making them feel shame and fear? No, you're a jerk.

Crazy ideas are not the same as crazy beliefs

The only difference is that it is implied in the crazy beliefs that someone thinks it is true, where that implication doesn't exist for the crazy ideas. I fully admit that I find some of the beliefs of people on here to be... quirky, but that doesn't entitle me to treat them horribly.

, being ill informed is quite common but deliberately believing in the impossible is unforgivable, there is no excuse for being deliberately ignorant.

Well, there are situations that I can think of in which being deliberately ignorant would be the smart choice, but none of this is relevant to treating people with respect. Give people the respect they are do for a debate, or leave.

 

[Jay Follett]

The existence of deities in general is not impossible.

If you think that then you are most certainly not an atheist.

 

[PsychoSarah]

If you think that then you are most certainly not an atheist.

No, it makes me not a gnostic atheist. Which is what you are, apparently. Also, you responded to only a tiny bit of my post again. Are you trying to act as if the remaining content of my posts don't exist?

 

[joshua 1 9]

When the brain is starved of oxygen it shuts down and all mental activity ceases, from that point all that we are will cease to exist, it has happened to tens of billions before us and will happen to tens of billions after us and it's no big deal.

You have NO evidence that memory is destroyed at death. In fact it could be that memory is stored on the atoms that can survive cremation. John Wesley preached a sermon that even if you are cremated and the ashes scattered to the wind, God is able to bring back together all of what makes up you and you will stand before the Judgement Throne of God. My computer / phone has what they call cloud where everything is stored at a remote location. So everything can be restored.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If you think that then you are most certainly not an atheist.

Do you think that man is the highest form of intelligence in the Universe or do you think that there exists a intelligence higher then that of man?

 

[The Cadet]

You have NO evidence that memory is destroyed at death.

Actually, given that memories are particular sequence of connecting neurons, and given that all neuron activity ceases shortly after death, we have very good evidence that memory is destroyed after death.

In fact it could be that memory is stored on the atoms that can survive cremation.

It could also be that memory is stored on the head of a nail crafted by a supernatural metalworker and stored in a shelf in his shop in Brussels. Of course, without any evidence of this, and given the evidence to the contrary, I find the hypothetical at best a useless distraction from reality, and not a very engaging one either. How does that work, exactly? How does an atom store information?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Actually, given that memories are particular sequence of connecting neurons, and given that all neuron activity ceases shortly after death, we have very good evidence that memory is destroyed after death.

Close but no banana. The various senses store all their own memories. The neurons gather those memories and join them together. This is why in teaching the more senses that are involved in learning the better the chance that the student will remember the lesson. This all has to do with recall. Just because a person can not recall or access their memory does not mean that memory no longer exists. They only lose the ability to access those memories. Even there are people right before death that for a moment in time become fully alert and able to carry on an in depth conversation and then the next thing you know, they are gone.

Another factor is the primitive core of the brain and the more advanced layers but that is another conversation.

 

[The Cadet]

Close but no banana. The various senses store all their own memories. The neurons gather those memories and join them together. This is why in teaching the more senses that are involved in learning the better the chance that the student will remember the lesson. This all has to do with recall. Just because a person can not recall or access their memory does not mean that memory no longer exists. They only lose the ability to access those memories. Even there are people right before death that for a moment in time become fully alert and able to carry on an in depth conversation and then the next thing you know, they are gone.

Another factor is the primitive core of the brain and the more advanced layers but that is another conversation.

And literally everything you just described comes down to... A web of interconnected neurons. Once those neurons die, there's nothing left to serve as a memory. Oh, and you ignored my question.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And literally everything you just described comes down to... A web of interconnected neurons. Once those neurons die, there's nothing left to serve as a memory. Oh, and you ignored my question.

I am not talking about short term memories I am talking about the long term memories. We have memory cards for our computer. Of course if you have no computer you can not access what is stored on the card. But the memory is still there even if you do not have a card reader.

 

[florida2]

But the memory is still there even if you do not have a card reader.

Not if the memory card itself is destroyed.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Not if the memory card itself is destroyed.

Particles have states which can be considered a form of memory.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Particles have states which can be considered a form of memory.

A rotten, decayed brain no longer holds the shape key to holding memory (yes, to retain memories, our brain changes shape). Even if it did, in order to be conscious, the tissue has to be alive and functioning. If there is an afterlife, it isn't tied to our physical bodies.

 

[joshua 1 9]

A rotten, decayed brain no longer holds the shape key to holding memory (yes, to retain memories, our brain changes shape). Even if it did, in order to be conscious, the tissue has to be alive and functioning. If there is an afterlife, it isn't tied to our physical bodies.

The atoms themselves are able to store the memory even if you are cremated. Our actual physical body will be resurrected. This is what the disciples thought that Jesus was spiritual and no longer had a physical body. That is why He cooked fish and ate the fish to show them that He had a physical body.
24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb *.
24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

They say the demons have no body and that is why they try to take people over. The one story talks about how when Jesus cast the demons out of people they were allowed to go into the pigs. There are still people today that have deliverance ministries for this using the Blood of Jesus.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The atoms themselves are able to store the memory even if you are cremated.

That's... not how chemistry works sir. An oxygen atom that was previously part of a CO2 molecule won't behave any differently than an oxygen atom that was previously a part of a water molecule. Also, how on earth do you think you get to heaven if your afterlife is tied to the atoms that previously were your living body? BTW, the atoms in your body have been part of not only multiple living organisms, but part of multiple humans throughout the ages as well. I would love to hear how you reconcile that. I also ask that you address my actual points in your response this time.

 

[SkyWriting]

Source: LETTERS



“Stop following me! We’re not related!”​

It should be the monkey talking.

 

[SkyWriting]

The atoms themselves are able to store the memory even if you are cremated. Our actual physical body will be resurrected. This is what the disciples thought that Jesus was spiritual and no longer had a physical body.

He DID float into the sky, was invisible, didn't bleed, and teleported.
So it's not the same body. But similar.

 

[joshua 1 9]

He DID float into the sky, was invisible, didn't bleed, and teleported.
So it's not the same body. But similar.

Jesus had His resurrected Body. Paul goes to great extent to try to explain this:

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. 1Cor15