“...no Bible passages was ever intended to be taken out of context from the rest of scripture.”
It is noteworthy that the New Testament writers and the Lord Jesus himself did not hesitate on occasion to base their whole argumentation upon one single word of Old Testament Scripture (Matthew 2:15; 4:10; 13:35; 22:44; Mark 12:36; Luke 4:8; 20:42, 43; John 8:17; 10:34; 19:37; Acts 23:5; Romans 4:3, 9, 23; 15:9-12; 1 Corinthians 6:16; Galatians 3:8, 10,13; Hebrews 1:7; 2:12; 3:13; 4:7; 12:26), or even on the grammatical form of one word (Galatians 3:16).
Since each passage links directly to the context, the complaint is baseless.
Every single passage includes no exclusions to the submission to government rule.
Each is stated clear without any amendments found.
There are no contradictory passages found.
There is one passage where Steven tells a panel of bishops and the High Priest to take a hike. (I approve!) Acts 5:28-30
The council of Bishops and the High Priest are below any other authority governing men's lives. They don't even rank worth mention.
People love this passage!
Matthew 28
And Jesus came and said to them,
“All authority in heaven and on
earth has been given to me.
People love to ignore this passage!
Romans 13
Therefore whoever resists the
authorities resists what God
has appointed, and those who
resist will incur judgment.
But, but, but what about____? And wha-wha-what about _____?
Sorry. I don't write scripture.
I'm guessing Pilate was not approved either.
What is intended for evil, is what spilled the blood of Jesus for our salvation.
Peter spoke out against religious authorities attempting
to have legal authority over the God given freedoms of the people.
He told a religious high priest and a panel of Bishops to get lost.
Jesus said the same to fundamentalists complaining over the Laws of Moses that he should not work on the Sabbath. Again, religious legalists told to get lost.
The prostitute to be stoned, again, religious legalism told to get lost.
Checking your link for "disobey authority" passages...Nuttin.
Moses law has been set aside and replaced by a better covenant.
The New One, making the old obsolete. Failure to obey the law
makes Maccabees obsolete.
I can do that:
Psalms 22
...dominion belongs to the Lord
and he rules over the nations.
Proverbs 8
By me kings reign, and rulers decree what is just;
Proverbs 21
The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord;
he turns it wherever he will.
Romans 13
For there is no authority except from God,
and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Yawn...nearly each scripture links to the context, not the specific verses.and this is our issue when we get to the bottom of our disagreement. you chose to pick a few verses out of context you like and want the bible to say, I would rather the bible be understood as intended.
Each passage includes a link to the context. Complaint denied.You refuse to respond and i think that speaks for itself. I also want to point out you never put verses in context but just snip its.
The Old testament Law was Abolished with the new
Romans 13 has been dealt with so I wont post again. You refuse to respond and i think that speaks for itself. I also want to point out you never put verses in context but just snip its. Jehovah witness can sound good because that is just what they do. Dig deeper we find that is not the case. I also want to say you claim the OT is over and done away with, yet all your passages but 1 come from OT. I think the issue is clear here, you seem to want to take any section you can out of context, to make the bible say what you want. Rather i wish to understand the bible as a whole.
As for proverbs 8 I say amen, and we need to praise god when this happens. We need more rulers like a Gideon.
23 But Gideon said to them, “I will not rule over you, nor shall my son rule over you; the Lord shall rule over you.”
-Judges 8.23
John 18:36:
That is proper government and no Christians should disobey such a ruler. Yet would you agree proverbs are general statements of knowledge and not universal truths? that is why two contradictory statements can be made in them both being true. So proverbs 8 says God rules over the nations and kings reign and decree justly, yet this is not the case is it.
They set up kings without my consent;
they choose princes without my approval.
-Hosea 8.4
It is an abomination to kings to do evil,
for the throne is established by righteousness.
-Proverbs 16.12
Like a roaring lion or a charging bear
is a wicked ruler over a poor people.
-Proverbs 28.15
In fact God is often at war with the kings of the earth.
To Him who divided the Red Sea in two, For His mercy endures forever; 14 And made Israel pass through the midst of it, For His mercy endures forever; 15 But overthrew Pharaoh and his army in the Red Sea,For His mercy endures forever; 16 To Him who led His people through the wilderness,For His mercy endures forever;17 To Him who struck down great kings, For His mercy endures forever; 18 And slew famous kings,For His mercy endures forever—
-Psalm 136 13-18
Let the godly exult in glory;
let them sing for joy on their beds.
6 Let the high praises of God be in their throats
and two-edged swords in their hands,
7 to execute vengeance on the nations
and punishments on the peoples,
8 to bind their kings with chains
and their nobles with fetters of iron,
9 to execute on them the judgment written!
This is honor for all his godly ones.
Praise the Lord!
-Psalm 149 5-9
The kings of the earth set themselves,And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us.”
-Psalm 2 2-3
To Him who divided the Red Sea in two, For His mercy endures forever; 14 And made Israel pass through the midst of it, For His mercy endures forever; 15 But overthrew Pharaoh and his army in the Red Sea,For His mercy endures forever; 16 To Him who led His people through the wilderness,For His mercy endures forever;17 To Him who struck down great kings, For His mercy endures forever; 18 And slew famous kings,For His mercy endures forever—
-Psalm 136 13-18
In proverbs 21 who is the king at this time? is he following the lord? is he going against the Lord? is this universal for all time? what of the passages that say the king does not do gods will? just what of this passes proves your point in your mind?
In the Lord’s hand the king’s heart is a stream of water
that he channels toward all who please him.
Proverbs 21.1
As for Psalms 22 the well known passage lets read it in context
The poor shall eat and be satisfied; Those who seek Him will praise the Lord. Let your heart live forever!
27 All the ends of the world Shall remember and turn to the Lord, And all the families of the nations Shall worship before You.
28 For the kingdom is the Lord's, And He rules over the nations.
29 All the prosperous of the earth Shall eat and worship; All those who go down to the dust Shall bow before Him, Even he who cannot keep himself alive.
30 A posterity shall serve Him. It will be recounted of the Lord to the next generation,
31 They will come and declare His righteousness to a people who will be born, That He has done this.
So we agree, God will rule the earth in the future when he returns and he will rule the nations. But first he must wage massive warfare against the tyrants and rulers of the world, the largest rebellion to tyrants ever in the worlds history.
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him [Jesus] was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.... out of His mouth goes a sharp[g] sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.... the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.
-Revelations 19
Yawn...nearly each scripture links to the context, not the specific verses.
Complaint rejected.
Besides, you have the opportunity to explain why the context
negates it use. If you are correct, then you show how stupid I am.
So when I pull a passage "out of context" it is an opportunity for
you to show my supposed deception. On the other hand, just whining
about context is useless. I've included the link.
No one in the New Testament whines about context and they
had to listen to over 600 passages "pulled out of context".
I can do that:
Psalms 22
...dominion belongs to the Lord
and he rules over the nations.
Proverbs 8
By me kings reign, and rulers decree what is just;
Proverbs 21
The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord;
he turns it wherever he will.
Romans 13
For there is no authority except from God,
and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Err......I didn't invent the idea, I read it.
Hebrews 8
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. - Hebrews 8
8For finding fault with them, He says,
“BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD,
WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT
WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH;
9NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS
ON THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND
TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT;
FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT,
AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
10“FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL
AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD:
I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS,
AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS.
AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD,
AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
11“AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN,
AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’
FOR ALL WILL KNOW ME,
FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
12“FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES,
AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE.”
13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
Anything yet on God first before local government?
I'm still looking. Want context?
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Anything yet on God first before local government?
I'm still looking. Want context?
.
Submission to Authority
4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house[a] to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,
“The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”[c]
8 and,
“A stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.”[d]
They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.
9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
Living Godly Lives in a Pagan Society
11 Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from sinful desires, which wage war against your soul. 12 Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.
15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.
18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
22 “He committed no sin,
and no deceit was found in his mouth.”[e]
23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. 24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” 25 For “you were like sheep going astray,”[f] but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
You got context.
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