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Featured “...be in subjection to the governing authorities” Romans 13

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by redleghunter, Jan 26, 2019.

  1. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    Not context.
     
  2. SkyWriting

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    Nope. It's in context.
     
  3. SkyWriting

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    Thy will be done on earth......by catholic priests?
     
  4. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    The wicked, pagan, heathen nations and peoples all would want the devil's way to prevail (to win) OVER God's Way.
    They live in darkness, and when the LIGHT (JESUS) CAME into the world, they hated Jesus (and rejected Him, and still rejected Him, and reject His people) .

    His TORAH, His Law, His Instructions (below in part) let us know that those who pervert His Word, those who live in perversion, will be punished instead of being saved.
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    " Deuteronomy 4 New International Version (NIV)
    "Obedience Commanded

    "4 Now, Israel, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. 2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

    "3 You saw with your own eyes what the Lord did at Baal Peor. The Lord your God destroyed from among you everyone who followed the Baal of Peor, 4 but all of you who held fast to the Lord your God are still alive today.

    "5 See, I have taught you decrees and laws as the Lord my God commanded me, so that you may follow them in the land you are entering to take possession of it. 6 Observe them carefully, for this will show your wisdom and understanding to the nations, who will hear about all these decrees and say, “Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.” 7 What other nation is so great as to have their gods near them the way the Lord our God is near us whenever we pray to him? 8 And what other nation is so great as to have such righteous decrees and laws as this body of laws I am setting before you today?

    "9 Only be careful, and watch yourselves closely so that you do not forget the things your eyes have seen or let them fade from your heart as long as you live. Teach them to your children and to their children after them. 10 Remember the day you stood before the Lord your God at Horeb, when he said to me, “Assemble the people before me to hear my words so that they may learn to revere me as long as they live in the land and may teach them to their children.” 11 You came near and stood at the foot of the mountain while it blazed with fire to the very heavens, with black clouds and deep darkness. 12 Then the Lord spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of words but saw no form; there was only a voice. 13 He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets. 14 And the Lord directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.
    Idolatry Forbidden

    "15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. 20 But as for you, the Lord took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are."

    note that abominations of the flesh, perversions of the Law and of the flesh, are "idolatry", punishable by death according to all God's Word.

    None of man's laws nor anything else ever changes this.
     
  5. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    "have to do with the subject" ? As in avoidance (continual) of the Light because their deeds(lives) are evil. (as written).

    As written IN SCRIPTURE: They will call the TRUTH, a lie, and the lie they will publish as truth. Thus those living in perversion quote Scripture like the devil did in the Garden of Eden, to lie and to deceive and to show why they do not (and possibly why they can not) repent of their sin to be forgiven.
     
  6. Eloy Craft

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    If a law forced one to sin of course one would be obliged to not obey it.
     
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  8. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    Eloy stop making sense. It can become contagious. :)
     
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  9. Tone

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    I think this highlights where some go wrong in getting true authority mixed up with imposters. Many think of local, state, and federal governments with all their myriad officers as being the authority spoken of in Romans. However, we must back up a bit to the Constitution as the ultimate civil authority. So, when the "government" has usurped that standard we, as Americans, are under no obligation to obey.
     
  10. royal priest

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    What about the Angel of the Lord commanding Mary and Joseph to hide their child from Herod?
     
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  11. redleghunter

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    Yes and don’t forget how Moses’ parents disobeyed Pharoah. And the midwives who would not obey Pharoah. God blessed them for not following murderous orders.
     
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  12. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Those who committed perverse sex, thievery, idolatry, WITH THE GOVERNMENT and/or with "legality" and/or with "permission" of religious leaders or parents even , were PUNISHED, and suffer God's Judgment as written. Those who simply "went along" quietly, allowing perversion, also received the same punishment as those who sinned.
     
  13. royal priest

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    The Angel's command resulted in the king slaughtering every two-year-old and under in Bethlehem. There are so many righteous examples of defying authority in honor of God.
     
  14. timothyu

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    IN earth.. governance of God, not man
     
  15. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Yes, we are to obey the laws of the land because these government authorities are placed into power by God (Romans 13), but if those laws conflict with God's commands, then we are to obey God rather than men.

    "Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men." (Acts of the Apostles 5:29).​

    Currently, they are trying to pass laws so that nobody in the state of Texas can practice biblical teachings outside an actual church building.

    Texas Bills Threaten to Strip 'Texans’ Right to Practice Biblical Teachings'

    If that were to happen, a Christian should obviously resist that kind of law. But the Christian should be as wise as serpents and innocent as doves by doing so, though. The Christian should not make it so obvious. They should be more covert about it. In other words, if this were to happen, the church would simply go underground. In China, the church is forced to go underground (it has to remain hidden) otherwise their own government will destroy them.

    Side Note:

    But I think it needs to be stressed that we should obey those laws of the land that do not conflict with God's Word. So things like traffic laws, etc. that is loving towards our neighbor is something that is good and should be obeyed. For if we resist the laws (like these) then we are in resistance against God and not man. For God did establish into power governing authorities. We are to obey those who are above us (as long as it does not conflict with our orders in following Jesus).
     
  16. timothyu

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    Smoking outside, praying inside... GOT IT!. Thanks heavens the proper examples are being set for the public.
     
  17. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Well, I never said anything about smoking. In fact, I am against smoking because it destroys the body or the temple of God. 1 Corinthians 3 says if you defile the temple, God will destroy you. So I fail to see how you think I condone smoking.

    If your reference was to churches in general and not me specifically:

    Well, this is true. In the state I grew up in, I have seen some smoke outside the church before. This is wrong of course. But your comment implies that all are like that (Which is not true). While I think house fellowship is the proper way to have fellowship and not in a big church building, I believe God can in some instances use them for His greater plan for good (despite it being an unbiblical form of fellowship).
     
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  18. timothyu

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    Never said you did.
     
  19. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I just caught what you meant after reading it a few more times. I updated my post. Please refresh the page to see the changes in post #77.

    Side Note:

    Oh, and I would appreciate it if you were a little more clear in what you are trying to say instead of me trying to guess or draw the wrong conclusion.

    Again, I would appreciate it.

    May God bless you.
     
  20. SkyWriting

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    1 Peter 2

    Submission to Authority




    4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house[a] to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says:

    “See, I lay a stone in Zion,
    a chosen and precious cornerstone,
    and the one who trusts in him
    will never be put to shame.”

    7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,

    “The stone the builders rejected
    has become the cornerstone,”[c]

    8 and,

    “A stone that causes people to stumble
    and a rock that makes them fall.”[d]

    They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

    9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

    Living Godly Lives in a Pagan Society
    11 Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from sinful desires, which wage war against your soul. 12 Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.

    13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority:whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.

    15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God,honor the emperor.

    18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.
    21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.


    22 “He committed no sin,
    and no deceit was found in his mouth.”[e]

    23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. 24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” 25 For “you were like sheep going astray,”[f] but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.


    You got context.
     
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