‘Autopen signature’ used on many official WH docs. Who "auto-signed" and was Joe even aware?

[NxNW]

"I beat Medicare".

I'm glad for your, but my point still stands.

 

[NxNW]

What surprises me is that people are acting like it's a "wild theory" or "controversial" to suggest that he was experiencing cognitive decline.

The only legitimate evidence of such, would be a doctor's diagnosis after an examination. Anything else is a wild theory or speculation.

 

[BPPLEE]

I'm glad for your, but my point still stands.

 

[BPPLEE]

The only legitimate evidence of such, would be a doctor's diagnosis after an examination. Anything else is a wild theory or speculation.

You don’t have to be a doctor to see it, you have to be delusional if you don’t

 

[RileyG]

Sad

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The only legitimate evidence of such, would be a doctor's diagnosis after an examination. Anything else is a wild theory or speculation.

Did you watch the videos?

If you personally witnessed a person chugging 6 shots of liquor, throwing up on themselves, staggering and falling over, and slurring their words, would you need an official toxicology report to know they were drunk?

Why you're so desperate to defend Biden's mental state, I have no clue (apart from perhaps feeling a compelling need to "not let republicans be right about something"). Clearly the Democratic Party wasn't convinced that he wasn't mentally declining...they were willing to swap him out at the last minute for Harris due to the concerns. That's a sign of desperation. If they thought for one second they could feasibly prop him up for another 4 years, they would have.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

I'm glad for your, but my point still stands.

I am quoting the president who did not know what was going on, Biden. If Biden didn't know others were pardoning every Democrat in the western hemisphere in his name, those pardons - and whatever else some unaccountable figure did - is void.

 

[FireDragon76]

So, should we not believe our "lying eyes" then?

Anyone who has a memory longer than 10 years sees the decline.

We heard all of the excuses
"Oh, well, he was always a gaffe machine, so this is nothing new"
--no he wasn't, in fact, he was a very good public speaker, and very alert, and could put on a commanding performance back in the day, the videos below will prove that

"It's because he had a stutter"
--oh really? The kind that goes away for 65 years, then miraculously comes back with a rapid onset when he turns 79? (and isn't even really a stutter)


Here's a bit of a "throwback" just to refresh everyone's memories.

Here's Joe back in the day (Peak Biden):

Here's Joe as recently as the 2012 Vice Presidential Debate. (still a very solid speaker)

Here was the Joe we saw over the past few years (confused, rambling, losing his words, and looking like a deer in the headlights)

What surprises me is that people are acting like it's a "wild theory" or "controversial" to suggest that he was experiencing cognitive decline.

Studies suggest that 40-45% of people experience cognitive decline when they reach age 75. That percentage goes even higher at age 80. It's not as if people were suggesting some sort of 1 in a million edge case scenario here. They were just suggesting that he was experiencing something that half of people his age experience.


The DNC realized this as well. If "Biden is fine" was the prevailing thought among the DNC, they wouldn't have pushed him aside to swap him for Harris a few months before the election.

What, do you think that the DNC's first choice was to have to switch candidates at the last minute with very little prep time?

Cognitive decline doesn't mean a person is mentally incompetent.

 

[essentialsaltes]

If Biden didn't know others were pardoning

First, you should establish that "others were pardoning" anybody. Then for bonus points, you can figure out whether Biden knew about it or not.

 

[Pommer]

I am quoting the president who did not know what was going on, Biden. If Biden didn't know others were pardoning every Democrat in the western hemisphere in his name, those pardons - and whatever else some unaccountable figure did - is void.

First, you should establish that "others were pardoning" anybody. Then for bonus points, you can figure out whether Biden knew about it or not.

Then point to the provision in the Constitution that voids an irrevocable power of the Chief Executive.

 

[NxNW]

I am quoting the president who did not know what was going on, Biden.

Biden had no cognitive problems.

If Biden didn't know others were pardoning every Democrat in the western hemisphere in his name, those pardons - and whatever else some unaccountable figure did - is void.

All presidents including Trump use autopen.

 

[civilwarbuff]

So, should we not believe our "lying eyes" then?

According to the progressive leftists 'Of course you should.'
Just ignore Joe's statement during his debate with Trump 'We finally beat Medicare.' This is the signature moment when the entire country understood just how far gone Biden really was.

MSN

Sorry, it seems I was a day late with this post....LOL

 

[NxNW]

Did you watch the videos?

Your alleged videos cannot possibly constitute evidence.

If you personally witnessed a person chugging 6 shots of liquor, throwing up on themselves, staggering and falling over, and slurring their words, would you need an official toxicology report to know they were drunk?

If I was going to challenge a legal document, yes.

Why you're so desperate to defend Biden's mental state, I have no clue (apart from perhaps feeling a compelling need to "not let republicans be right about something").

Again, no evidence of cognitive decline had been presented.

Clearly the Democratic Party wasn't convinced that he wasn't mentally declining...they were willing to swap him out at the last minute for Harris due to the concerns. That's a sign of desperation. If they thought for one second they could feasibly prop him up for another 4 years, they would have.

That decision was based on poll numbers, obviously.

 

[Hans Blaster]

This weird notion that the squiggly line is the thing with power and not the approval of the document's contents by the person.

 

[FireDragon76]

Biden has always had problems with public speaking, and he's having to speak at night. That's hardly evidence of actual dementia.

Mild cognitive decline is a fairly normal part of aging, but it doesn't make a person mentally incompetent.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Biden has always had problems with public speaking, and he's having to speak at night. That's hardly evidence of actual dementia.

Mild cognitive decline is a fairly normal part of aging, but it doesn't make a person mentally incompetent.

He doesn't seem to be having many issues with public speaking in these videos. In fact, I'd say in the earlier one, he was a fairly commanding public speaker. Even in the 2012 VP debates, he seemed pretty sharp and quick.

The "he used to have a stuttering problem" and "he's always been a gaffe machine" were flimsy efforts to dissuade people from being uneasy about what they were witnessing. The reality is, many iff not most Americans are to a point where they've personally witnessed cognitive decline in elderly relative, they know what challenges lie ahead, and they understood the risks. And many of us were old enough to remember how Biden used to be. That's why a lot of people were uneasy with what they were seeing.

With regards to cognitive decline and how it impacts competency, the NIH suggests that there is an impact. (Per their publication named "Geriatric Evaluation and Age-Related Cognitive Decline")

• Decision-Making Ability – Mild cognitive impairment (MCI) may lead to poor judgment, difficulty understanding consequences, and increased susceptibility to manipulation.
• Financial Management – Decline in executive function can impair budgeting, bill payments, and the ability to recognize financial scams.
• Daily Living and Safety – Difficulties with problem-solving and memory can lead to unsafe behaviors, such as forgetting to turn off a stove or mismanaging medications.
• Communication and Social Interactions – Cognitive decline may cause misunderstandings, difficulty following conversations, and challenges in expressing needs effectively.

It would seem to me that difficulty understanding consequences, impairment in budgeting ability, difficulties with problem solving, and difficulty following conversations and expressing oneself effectively would all be pretty big showstoppers for such an office. Wouldn't you agree?

It doesn't have to a situation where someone has full blown Alzheimer's to be declined enough to where they're no longer fit for such a job.

There are some who don't decline much at all. Fauci and Biden are roughly the same age, a 2023 Fauci speech/interview didn't look/sound much different than a 1980's Fauci speech (apart from having more grey hair and looking a little older). Fauci didn't seem to lose a step when it came to public speaking and addressing subject matter. The same wasn't true for Biden.

 

[FireDragon76]

He doesn't seem to be having many issues with public speaking in these videos. In fact, I'd say in the earlier one, he was a fairly commanding public speaker. Even in the 2012 VP debates, he seemed pretty sharp and quick.

The "he used to have a stuttering problem" and "he's always been a gaffe machine" were flimsy efforts to dissuade people from being uneasy about what they were witnessing. The reality is, many iff not most Americans are to a point where they've personally witnessed cognitive decline in elderly relative, they know what challenges lie ahead, and they understood the risks. And many of us were old enough to remember how Biden used to be. That's why a lot of people were uneasy with what they were seeing.

With regards to cognitive decline and how it impacts competency, the NIH suggests that there is an impact. (Per their publication named "Geriatric Evaluation and Age-Related Cognitive Decline")

• Decision-Making Ability – Mild cognitive impairment (MCI) may lead to poor judgment, difficulty understanding consequences, and increased susceptibility to manipulation.
• Financial Management – Decline in executive function can impair budgeting, bill payments, and the ability to recognize financial scams.
• Daily Living and Safety – Difficulties with problem-solving and memory can lead to unsafe behaviors, such as forgetting to turn off a stove or mismanaging medications.
• Communication and Social Interactions – Cognitive decline may cause misunderstandings, difficulty following conversations, and challenges in expressing needs effectively.

In severe cases, that is true. But merely having one day where you are probably bleary eyed from travelling and being up too long isn't evidence of being demented, much less mentally incapacitated. And even if he did have some cognitive decline, there are adaptive mechanism he could have used to deal with that. It doesn't imply he'ld do something like start a nuclear war by mistake or be unable to understand a briefing. We should be careful of the ableist notion that a person who lives with a disability is useless.

I agree that Biden did the right thing in stepping down, and he probably should have done it sooner. But that's completely different from this nonsense that he was non compos mentis when he issued pardons on the Jan. 6 investigation committee.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

In severe cases, that is true. But merely having one day where you are probably bleary eyed from travelling and being up too long isn't evidence of being demented, much less mentally incapacitated. And even if he did have some cognitive decline, there are adaptive mechanism he could have used to deal with that. It doesn't imply he'ld do something like start a nuclear war by mistake or be unable to understand a briefing. We should be careful of the ableist notion that a person who lives with a disability is useless.

I agree that Biden did the right thing in stepping down, and he probably should have done it sooner. But that's completely different from this nonsense that he was non compos mentis when he issued pardons on the Jan. 6 investigation committee.

"Increased susceptibility to manipulation" was also one of the things the NIH listed with regards to elderly folks who are experiencing Mild Cognitive Impairment.

So that could've been some of the concern as well.

He was originally pretty firm in his position that he wasn't going to be issuing any preemptive blanket pardons for family members, however he changed his tune on that. It's quite possible that was the result of some familial coercing.

That's why the elderly (even ones that don't have full-blown dementia or Alzheimer's and are just experiencing some mild cognitive decline) are far more likely to be influenced into giving away money and can be more prone to make risky financial moves (like spending half of their social security check at the casino) than their 50-year-old selves from the past.

With regards to our nation's elderly, and the "increased susceptibility to manipulation" that the NIH says they experience, I'd rather see that be confined to the grandkids talking them into buying them a toy, not influencing how they do an important federal job.

 

[NxNW]

Mild cognitive decline is a fairly normal part of aging, but it doesn't make a person mentally incompetent.

Even if Biden was mentally incompetent (which he wasn't), it wouldn't matter. The Constitution does not limit the power of the President based on mental competence. The 25th was never invoked, which puts the entire matter to bed. It can't be invoked after the fact.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

First, you should establish that "others were pardoning" anybody. Then for bonus points, you can figure out whether Biden knew about it or not.

This should indeed be investigated. Did Biden sign and know about all these pardons or not? I hope he is subpoenaed, but then we know he won't remember.