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  1. Jeff Saunders

    why ECT became the dominant view in the west

    Eph 5:1 "Therefore be imitators of God as beloved children" IN the early church there were 3 schools of thought UR, Annihilation . and ECT . How we imitate God in our actions will depend on our view of God. UR view God as a loving Father and the great physician, they saw Jesus as God in the...
  2. Jeff Saunders

    UR verses are not taken out of context its the only view that is not out of context

    Over and over on this forum I have seen certain people say that the verses that UR use to make the claim that Jesus is the savior of the world and not a potential savior are out of context . I submit that they are the ones who are taking verses or specifically words or word out of context, but...
  3. Jeff Saunders

    Has anyone else thought of this I find it interesting

    I was reading about Jesus being baptized and thought isn't it interesting that no place in scripture do we read about any of the 12 disciples being baptized . I am not one who thinks that just because its not written it can't be true, maybe they were and it was not recorded but I find it...
  4. Jeff Saunders

    Interesting information for the UR wing of the family.

    While laying in bed wishing I was sleeping , I had a thought , I wonder if I looked up the Greek word for eon what comes up. So this morning I got on the computer and typed " Greek word for eon " and guess what came up aion , almost every dictionary and entomology sight has the Greek word for...
  5. Jeff Saunders

    Did Jesus empty out both sides of the underworld ?

    This is for those who believe that Jesus went to the land or realm of the dead before his rising from the grave, its not a discussion about whether it happened . So if you do believe that Jesus went and preached to the dead and he lead the captives free , do you think he emptied one side or...
  6. Jeff Saunders

    We need more meat and not as much milk

    This is for the encouragement of the UR camp . Hebrews 5:11-6:2 “Concerning this we have an abundance of things to say, and it is difficult to explain since you have become lethargic as listeners For indeed though by this time you ought to be teachers, you again have need of someone to teach you...
  7. Jeff Saunders

    How our view of Yahweh influences our understanding of scripture

    I was listening to a orthodox priest talking about how the early Greek Christians saw Yahweh as a loving Father and it wasn’t till Augustine and the pagan influences that Yahweh became a angry God who must be appeased because his creation had rejected his rule. If you see Yahweh as a loving...
  8. Jeff Saunders

    Universal Redemption in the early church

    If Universal Redemption is a heresy why was it not brought up as heresy for the first 500 years of the church? Several things were condemned as hereby the earthly church but this was not one of them. Would not those who spoke the native Greek language of that day call it heretic it was ? It...
  9. Jeff Saunders

    Question for the self appointed context police

    In my posts I keep getting told that I have been talking verses out of context. I would like to see the rules that you have been made to decide what is or isn’t in context. It seems to me that when I read the New Testament and I look up the Old Testament reference they take concept s and ideas...
  10. Jeff Saunders

    John 14:7 Jesus said “ if you would know me you would know the Father “

    Why did Jesus in Luke 9:54 not want the disciples to call fire down from heaven to burn those who disrespected Jesus? Why did Jesus not stone the woman caught in adultry(John 8:5) when Lev 20:10 and Det 22:22 says that by law they are to be stoned? Why did Jesus in Luke 23:24 say “ Father...
  11. Jeff Saunders

    John 14:6 “No one comes to the Father except through me”

    If no one gets to the Father except through Jesus, and you can only accept Jesus when your mortal body is alive , how did all those before the cross get into heaven or are they all in hell or is there part of heaven that you can go to that you can’t get to the Father?
  12. Jeff Saunders

    2Cor 5:19 is God not strong enough to accomplish this?

    2Cor 5:19 “ So that God was in the Anointed reconciling the world to himself, not accounting their trespasses to them” if this is not done like so many say why did God say he was reconciling the world to himself if most of the creation will not be reconciled to them because he is holding their...
  13. Jeff Saunders

    Why does God violate matt5:44

    In Matt 5:44 Jesus says to “love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you “ and 1Cor 13:5 says love not hold a record of wrongdoing/does not take account of the evil deeds , or something like that depending on what version you read. But why if God puts people into eternal torment is He...
  14. Jeff Saunders

    Why has God created people?

    I have always been taught that God created people to have fellowship with him. If this is true does he fail if He loses most of His creation and must torture them forever?
  15. Jeff Saunders

    Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate

    On this forum I have seen so many times that this is out of context or that is out of context, my question is this in Matt 7:13-14 most people say it is talking about heaven or hell , but if you look at the context of the chapter Jesus is talking about earthly things, log in your eye, getting...
  16. Jeff Saunders

    1 John 3:8 says Jesus destroyed the works of the devil , why does the devil get most people?

    How can John say that Jesus appeared to destroy the works of the devil if Jesus only gets a small fraction of what he paid for and satan gets the majority? Or does he?
  17. Jeff Saunders

    Why would a God whose very essence is love create people who he would have to torture forever?

    If God knows all things before they happened how is it a loving act to create people who He knew He would have to torture forever. It doesn’t seem like what I would call love.
  18. Jeff Saunders

    How has Jesus destroyed the one who holds the power of death if most people end up in eternal death?

    If satan gets most people and God only gets a few how has satan been destroyed? You would think that if satan is destroyed he would not get more than God.
  19. Jeff Saunders

    What did Jesus mean when he said “ no one comes to the Father except by me”

    I understand this very to say there is only one way to the Father and it only by Jesus.