Israel forming in 1948 has nothing to do with Last Days

johansen · Apr 11, 2026

Spiritual Jew said:
Can a spirit being be literally chained up with a literal chain? I don't believe so. That is symbolic text. What is the reason that you try to interpret the most highly symbolic book in the Bible as literally as you possibly can?

Yes, christians also have power to bind demons, on case by case basis within what is permitted by God. Ive really only done it once for sure, it was a spirit of lust in a woman, at a party. A friend of mine and i had sensed its presence a couple months prior. I heard something release it about 24 hours later. We also have no idea where the woman went after, but she did also admit to a friend who saw a demon enter her, that she also practiced witchcraft.

The actual mechanism by which they are bound is of course unknown to mankind, as these are extra dimensional creatures that some say cannot actually manifest in the flesh. (And no, God's power, is not an acceptable explanation)

johansen · Apr 11, 2026

Spiritual Jew said:
You can't be serious. You are suggesting that Peter was in error with what he said in Acts 2:16-21? He surely was not! What other parts of the Bible do you think are in error?

Peter had a habit of opening his mouth without thinking.

at the transfiguration for example, and a few other times, but, he may have been just a teenager.

Peter was still in a "Jewish" only mentality until ad 60 or so when Paul comes along and explains that salvation was for the gentiles as well, and a personal dream showing him that unclean food is permissible to eat. -as in, he saw gentiles as "unclean meat" -they still do to this day, but i digress.

Joel's prophecy is only partially fulfilled, in that God has not poured out his spirit on "all flesh" -its only poured out on God's people, a much smaller group of maybe 3-10%, and people are still born spiritual dead and have to be born again after they are born.

BPPLEE · Apr 11, 2026

Spiritual Jew said:
Can a spirit being be literally chained up with a literal chain? I don't believe so. That is symbolic text. What is the reason that you try to interpret the most highly symbolic book in the Bible as literally as you possibly can?

He should deceive the nations no more doesn't sound symbolic.

Spiritual Jew · Apr 13, 2026

johansen said:
Yes, christians also have power to bind demons, on case by case basis within what is permitted by God.

That's not talking about literally binding them the way you can literally, physically bind a human being.

johansen · Apr 13, 2026

Spiritual Jew said:
That's not talking about literally binding them the way you can literally, physically bind a human being.

except it is, literally spiritually binding a spiritual being.
its just as real for them as ropes and chains are to you.

Spiritual Jew · Apr 13, 2026

johansen said:
except it is, literally spiritually binding a spiritual being.
its just as real for them as ropes and chains are to you.

It's not a case of completely incapacitating them. But, hey, if you want to think that spirit beings can be literally bound in the same way a physical being can, so be it. It makes no sense, but I can't stop you from believing things like that.

Spiritual Jew · Apr 13, 2026

BPPLEE said:
He should deceive the nations no more doesn't sound symbolic.

You have to think about what that means exactly instead of assuming it has to do with his general ability to deceive being taken away.

It has to do with his ability to keep the people in the world in spiritual darkness and as slaves to the fear of death without any hope of eternal life like he was able to do in Old Testament times. That ability was taken away from him so that he can't do that no more until he is loosed.

Hebrews 2:14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Passages like this one explain what Revelation 20 is talking about in relation to the binding of Satan.

Revelation 20 also talks about Jesus reigning. Are you aware that He has been reigning since His resurrection? He said after His resurrection that all power in heaven and in earth were given to Him (Matthew 28:18). That has to be taken into consideration when interpreting Revelation 20.

Jipsah · Apr 13, 2026

Spiritual Jew said:
That's not talking about literally binding them the way you can literally, physically bind a human being.

A metaphor. "In questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution"

johansen · Apr 13, 2026

Spiritual Jew said:
It's not a case of completely incapacitating them. But, hey, if you want to think that spirit beings can be literally bound in the same way a physical being can, so be it. It makes no sense, but I can't stop you from believing things like that.

Spirits are subject to forces and powers that humans have by default zero knowledge of, and Christians get to partake in that realm.

Jipsah · Apr 18, 2026

BPPLEE said:
Something to consider, a Biblical year is 360 days

Sorry, but there's no such thing as a 360 day year. There's a 360 day calendar, that has to be adjusted every year because a real year is 365.25 days long.

BPPLEE said:
so in 70 years you would lose about one year off your timeline

Nope. It's the 360 day calendar that's left in the weeds if it's left uncorrected.

Jipsah · Apr 18, 2026

keras said:
People reading this thread should have no trouble seeing who it is that posts scriptural truths and who promotes peculiar and unscriptural ideas

You mean like the whole "CME" thing that indicates a complete misunderstanding of what a CME is or how it behaves? Sorry mate, but that kind of made up "science" smacks of the stuff that was being tossed about in the 1970s when everybody and his dog who wanted to jump on the "Late Great Planet Earth" gravy train was inventing ever stranger and ever more unlikely "scientific explantions" for Revelation symbolism. And it was all supposed to happen before 1988. I assume a "spoiler alert" isn't necessary for that story.

Jipsah · Apr 18, 2026

johansen said:
eh, i've been around long enough to see 88 reasons why the rapture didn't happen in 1988

I had a copy. At the time I found it ironic that I had to pay for it. (Kind of like someone's grand=dad sellling them his watch on his deathbed.)

By 1988 I was pretty much over my End Times enthusiasm anyway, though. By 2005 I'd faced the realty that while our Lord's return might be near at hand, my own death due to "Familial Ideopathic Coronary Myopathy" was likely to settle my hash a lot sooner, so I'd better be ready to leave here on very short notice. I'm still not dead, and our Lord hsan't returned yet, but I reckon I'm ready for whichever comes along first.

keras · Apr 18, 2026

Jipsah said:
You mean like the whole "CME" thing that indicates a complete misunderstanding of what a CME is or how it behaves? Sorry mate, but that kind of made up "science" smacks of the stuff that was being tossed about in the 1970s when everybody and his dog who wanted to jump on the "Late Great Planet Earth" gravy train was inventing ever stranger and ever more unlikely "scientific explantions" for Revelation symbolism. And it was all supposed to happen before 1988. I assume a "spoiler alert" isn't necessary for that story.

I shouldn't react to such opiniated rants, but I have to point out that astro and helio-physicists give us warning that such an earth changing event as is Prophesied, has a high degree of probability.
We are currently in the active sun cycle 25 and have seen much sunspot activity. The Lord will instigate a big Coronal Mass Ejection of a magnitude that has never been before and will never happen again. Joel 2:2b

Rejection of the warnings; Biblical and secular, simply leaves one in the dark about God's plans for our future.
Hang in there @Jipsah, our future is very exciting and highly fulfilling.

BPPLEE · Apr 19, 2026

Jipsah said:
Sorry, but there's no such thing as a 360 day year. There's a 360 day calendar, that has to be adjusted every year because a real year is 365.25 days long.

Nope. It's the 360 day calendar that's left in the weeds if it's left uncorrected.

1260 days in the bible

The 1260 days in the Bible refer to a prophetic period of 3½ years

), representing a time of tribulation, intense persecution, or divine protection. Primarily appearing in Revelation (11:3, 12:6) and Daniel, it symbolizes the limited duration of evil's reign and the preservation of God's people.

9Rock9 · Jun 3, 2026

Lukaris said:
I generally avoid the 1948 state of Israel & eschatology & have mixed views of Israel. However, the level of anti Israeli & further anti Jewish hatred worldwide makes me wonder about what is unfolding.

It is worth to always keep Romans 11, John 4:22-26, the camp of the saints etc. in mind.

Same. I think Scripture is clear that the true Israel is the Church, and the promises apply to it. That said, I don't think God is done with ethnic Jews and still plans to restore them. Both politically and spiritually.

Jipsah · Jun 19, 2026

Douggg said:
Yes, a bible year concerning the prophecies is 360 days a year.

THere is no such thing as a "360 day year". A year is roughly 365 days long, no matter how many days there are in one's calendar. An actual yer is one trip around the sun. A "calendar year" is simply an arbitrary number of days that generally kinda sorta approximates the number of actual days in an actual year.

BPPLEE · Jun 19, 2026

Jipsah said:
THere is no such thing as a "360 day year". A year is roughly 365 days long, no matter how many days there are in one's calendar. An actual yer is one trip around the sun. A "calendar year" is simply an arbitrary number of days that generally kinda sorta approximates the number of actual days in an actual year.

In the Bible, a year is not strictly 360 days in a literal, everyday sense. Instead, the biblical calendar is lunisolar, averaging 354 days. However, both biblical writers and scholars frequently use a "prophetic year" of 360 days (composed of twelve 30-day months) for symbolic and apocalyptic calculations. [1, 2, 3]
The idea that a year contains exactly 360 days appears in specific contexts:

Prophetic Timeframes: In the books of Daniel and Revelation, writers equate "42 months," "1,260 days," and "a time, times, and half a time" (3.5 years) as the exact same periods. If you divide 1,260 days by 42 months, or by 3.5 years, it yields exactly 30 days per month and 360 days per year. You can explore the history of these timelines on Wikipedia. [1, 2, 3]
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