God did not create from nothing

dlamberth · 2026-06-12T21:23:49-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
Warden, for your own sanity, save your strength. AV is a 'Ruckmanite' and you're not going to corral that sort of mindset.

Peter Ruckman - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks. I've not heard of Ruckman. That explains a lot when it comes to AV.

Hans Blaster · 2026-06-12T21:34:38-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
Warden, for your own sanity, save your strength. AV is a 'Ruckmanite' and you're not going to corral that sort of mindset.

Peter Ruckman - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ruckman sounds comparatively sane.

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-12T21:50:15-0500

Hans Blaster said:
Ruckman sounds comparatively sane.

... did you read the part about how Ruckman's critics noted that "his writings are so acerbic, so offensive and mean-spirited that the entire movement has become identified with his kind of confrontational attitude" ?

sjastro · 2026-06-12T22:04:11-0500

Hans Blaster said:
The weird thing is that the "one-way speed of light" thing is basically relativity trivia. It was something that never came up in any study of the subject I had made (including applying it). I never heard of it until some slimy DI "astrophysicist" started building his "fix" to the "light in transit" divine deception with a "speed toward earth is faster fix".

A one way speed of light is something mathematicians would work on, philosophers to ponder and creationist websites to distort.

Hans Blaster · 2026-06-12T22:41:53-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
... did you read the part about how Ruckman's critics noted that "his writings are so acerbic, so offensive and mean-spirited that the entire movement has become identified with his kind of confrontational attitude" ?

Still tracking. I was lead to the well thinking I'd get to find out about Moses writing Exodus in Jacobean english. I guess tracking anomalies in the frozen strawberry supply levels must have broken him...

AV1611VET · 2026-06-13T05:05:34-0500

Hans Blaster said:
Still tracking. I was lead to the well thinking I'd get to find out about Moses writing Exodus in Jacobean english. I guess tracking anomalies in the frozen strawberry supply levels must have broken him...

Moses writing Exodus in Jacobean English?

I think not.

Platte · 2026-06-13T07:14:44-0500

dlamberth said:
Light is a constant. Even dumb me understands that.

yes, but that simply means that light does not randomly change from day to day - if the one-way speed of light was different from the two way speed of light - light would still be considered a constant.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2026-06-13T07:17:47-0500

Platte said:
yes, but that simply means that light does not randomly change from day to day - if the one-way speed of light was different from the two way speed of light - light would still be considered a constant.

But there's no reason to think that the one-way speed of light would be different to the two-way speed of light.

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-13T07:34:19-0500

Hans Blaster said:
Still tracking. I was lead to the well thinking I'd get to find out about Moses writing Exodus in Jacobean english. I guess tracking anomalies in the frozen strawberry supply levels must have broken him...

Here's something else for us to track: Peter S. Ruckman was someone who 1) insisted that races should not mix in marriage, and 2) considered joining the Klu Klux Klan and only decided not to because he was against anti-semitism, and 3) advocated for his own form of "Anglo-Israelism."

Somehow, I missed many if not most of the posts where he said, "Peter S. Ruckman and Gail A. Riplinger are the bees knees!"

But now that I'm officially introduced to this particular person among AV's gurus, it's all coming together for me on why AV so easily takes a lighter to whatever olive-branch of Christian fellowship I've attempted to extend to him over the years.

Platte · 2026-06-13T08:09:35-0500

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
But there's no reason to think that the one-way speed of light would be different to the two-way speed of light.

Of course there isn't. Thats why ideas revolutionize the world. (Newton, Darwin, Einstein, etc...)

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2026-06-13T08:33:32-0500

Platte said:
Of course there isn't. Thats why ideas revolutionize the world. (Newton, Darwin, Einstein, etc...)

Okay, that absolutely does not follow on at all from what I wrote.

AV1611VET · 2026-06-13T08:35:28-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
Here's something else for us to track: Peter S. Ruckman was someone who 1) insisted that races should not mix in marriage, and 2) considered joining the Klu Klux Klan and only decided not to because he was against anti-semitism, and 3) advocated for his own form of "Anglo-Israelism."

Somehow, I missed many if not most of the posts where he said, "Peter S. Ruckman and Gail A. Riplinger are the bees knees!"

But now that I'm officially introduced to this particular person among AV's gurus, it's all coming together for me on why AV so easily takes a lighter to whatever olive-branch of Christian fellowship I've attempted to extend to him over the years.

I guess I'll just have to add "Ruckmanite" to that ever-growing list of what I am supposed to be.

Fake news travels fast.

Platte · 2026-06-13T08:40:36-0500

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Okay, that absolutely does not follow on at all from what I wrote.

You may not have a reasone to think the one way speed of light is different but that doesn't change that it very well could be different. That being said, The one way speed of light, if it is different, would have no affect on relativity - thus Einstein moved on from what he knew was imposible to measure.

I only bring it up because people try to disprove Creation - using the one way speed of light speed - when we don't actually know the one way speed of light speed.

sjastro · 2026-06-13T08:42:13-0500

Platte said:
yes, but that simply means that light does not randomly change from day to day - if the one-way speed of light was different from the two way speed of light - light would still be considered a constant.

Explain how this ultimately leads to the conclusion for a 6000 year old creation.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2026-06-13T08:45:12-0500

Platte said:
You may not have a reasone to think the one way speed of light is different but that doesn't change that it very well could be different. That being said, The one way speed of light, if it is different, would have no affect on relativity - thus Einstein moved on from what he knew was imposible to measure.

I only bring it up because people try to disprove Creation - using the one way speed of light speed - when we don't actually know the one way speed of light speed.

The one-way speed of light COULD be different, yes, but Einstein's synchronization convention posits that it could just as easily be the same speed as the two-way speed of light.

And there's more to disproving the claim that the Earth was created 6000 years ago than just the speed of light. Like... all of the historical finds that easily date from before 6000 years ago.

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-13T09:20:07-0500

AV1611VET said:
I guess I'll just have to add "Ruckmanite" to that ever-growing list of what I am supposed to be.

Fake news travels fast.

Which parts of Peter S. Ruckman's commentary on Genesis do you disagree with? Any particular pages stand out?

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-13T09:29:13-0500

Platte said:
You may not have a reasone to think the one way speed of light is different but that doesn't change that it very well could be different. That being said, The one way speed of light, if it is different, would have no affect on relativity - thus Einstein moved on from what he knew was imposible to measure.

I only bring it up because people try to disprove Creation - using the one way speed of light speed - when we don't actually know the one way speed of light speed.

Sure we do. From our practical, material human vantage point, it's slower than .................. instantaneous. And we know that it is. Just look up in the night sky. What don't you see?

Hans Blaster · 2026-06-13T09:32:32-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
Here's something else for us to track: Peter S. Ruckman was someone who 1) insisted that races should not mix in marriage, and 2) considered joining the Klu Klux Klan and only decided not to because he was against anti-semitism, and 3) advocated for his own form of "Anglo-Israelism."

Many movements/philosophies have "gurus" that are repugnant in unrelated ways. Racism is certainly one of those repugnancies that gets ignored or overlooked about past thought leaders. (And I have no idea about the current person either way.)

2PhiloVoid said:
Somehow, I missed many if not most of the posts where he said, "Peter S. Ruckman and Gail A. Riplinger are the bees knees!"

But now that I'm officially introduced to this particular person among AV's gurus, it's all coming together for me on why AV so easily takes a lighter to whatever olive-branch of Christian fellowship I've attempted to extend to him over the years.

I'd never heard of Ruckman until you posted a link to his wikipedia bio. It doesn't explain the wierdest of biblical claims we hear here.

AV1611VET · 2026-06-13T09:36:32-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
Which parts of Peter S. Ruckman's commentary on Genesis do you disagree with? Any particular pages stand out?

This one definitely:

"According to Ruckman, in the Old Testament, salvation was obtained through a combination of faith and works,"

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-13T09:39:08-0500

AV1611VET said:
This one definitely:

"According to Ruckman, in the Old Testament, salvation was obtained through a combination of faith and works,"

On that point, I'd have to agree with him ........................ but only in a Jamesian way of speaking. And by that, I don't mean King James.

But as I've been reading the first few chapters of his Ruckman's 'Manuscripts' book and his commentary of Genesis book, I'm not finding much there other than sheer polemics. I'm not sure why you'd prioritize him like you do, AV.

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