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If Noah built Göbekli Tepe, shouldn't the site than be sacred to Christians?

If I'm understanding correctly, your thinking that Göbekli Tepe was built roughly 4500 years ago, or something like that for when Noah is said to have lived. That's a pretty big difference from the dating that the various testing like radiocarbon dating, stratigraphy analysis and lithic analysis comes up with. Do you actually beleve that archaeology dating methonds are that useless? Would you say the same when the exact same dating methods are used with Biblical sites?
I’ve read that. It’s have no idea if it’s true.
The primary source to date Biblical sites is the Bible. Dating methods are fine but you shouldn’t lose site that they are not factual just our best estimate based on the tools and data we have today.
 
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I would definitely say more than you.

But would you be as specific as Luke was?

Parthians ... Medes ... Elamites ... etc.

Yes... and has nothing at all to do with the stones at Gobekli Tepe or Stonehenge, which is you putting the religious cart before the historical horse.

Really?

Which came first?

The Exodus, or Göbekli Tepe?

Sure, sure...

Read it yourself then:

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.


In fact, the whole chapter details their idol worship in the Temple area.

Well, when all you have is a hammer...

And you have what?

A monkey wrench?

Then you'd know that they'd existed for a good thousands of years before Christianity came to Britain by way of the Roman conquerors after the Christianization of Rome.

Ya ... wow ...

Thus my point.

By the time Christianity arrived in Great Britain to supplant the old dispensation (of the Law), they had already built an edifice depicting the Exodus.

And ... um ... for your edification ... even before that, David wrote a Psalm that describes a crucifixion in progress in great detail.

Not that you care, Mr. "Adam, Eve, Noah and all his sons spoke Jacobean English up until the Tower of Babel".

I may have asked you this before, but I'll ask it again:

In the song GOD REST YE MERRY GENTLEMEN, where does the comma go and why?
 
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But would you be as specific as Luke was?

Parthians ... Medes ... Elamites ... etc.

Yeah, I definitely know more than you if you use the Bible for your history....

Really?

Which came first?

The Exodus, or Göbekli Tepe?

Göbekli Tepe.

Read it yourself then:

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.


In fact, the whole chapter details their idol worship in the Temple area.

Sure, sure.

And you have what?

A monkey wrench?

An inquisitive mind and an actual desire to learn.

Ya ... wow ...

Thus my point.

By the time Christianity arrived in Great Britain to supplant the old dispensation (of the Law), they had already built an edifice depicting the Exodus.

And ... um ... for your edification ... even before that, David wrote a Psalm that describes a crucifixion in progress in great detail.

... Stonehenge was built as an edifice depicting the Exodus... but a culture who had existed WHEN the Exodus had supposedly happened and had never come into contact with the Egyptians, Jews or Christianity at all....

Again: when all you have is a hammer.

I may have asked you this before, but I'll ask it again:

In the song GOD REST YE MERRY GENTLEMEN, where does the comma go and why?

I do not care in the slightest.
 
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I’ve read that. It’s have no idea if it’s true.
The primary source to date Biblical sites is the Bible. Dating methods are fine but you shouldn’t lose site that they are not factual just our best estimate based on the tools and data we have today.
Various testing like radiocarbon dating, stratigraphy analysis and lithic analysis ARE used in dating Biblical sites. That along with textual records, some of which does include the Bible. Like Göbekli Tepe, multiple disciplines come into play. And even if taken only as a best estimate, Göbekli Tepe still comes out to be way older than 6000 years old. The same thing with the geology of the planet.
 
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Göbekli Tepe still comes out to be way older than 6000 years old.

Right -- and the tombstone over my dad's grave says he was buried millions of years ago. :doh:

I mean, since the stone itself is older than my dad, my dad must have died ... what?

Before Rachel Welch lived in 1,000,000 BC?

What if I go there tomorrow and build an add-on to this site, using the exact same material they did?

Will they say my add-on was built longer than 6000 years ago?
 
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... Stonehenge was built as an edifice depicting the Exodus... but a culture who had existed WHEN the Exodus had supposedly happened and had never come into contact with the Egyptians, Jews or Christianity at all....

What's the problem?

Stonehenge depicts the doorposts mentioned in Exodus, which points to Jesus Christ shedding His blood on the cross.

As such, it would be a memorial site, q.v.

We have two ordinances: Baptism and the Lord's Table.

THIS DO IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME
 
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What's the problem?

Stonehenge depicts the doorposts mentioned in Exodus, which points to Jesus Christ shedding His blood on the cross.

As such, it would be a memorial site, q.v.

We have two ordinances: Baptism and the Lord's Table.

THIS DO IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME

... buddy, I do not think there is anything I can say in response to his travesty of history that will not get me moderated or banned for it. Because... good Lord, but you are so off-base it's insane.
 
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God can do anything but what would be the purpose of laying down hundreds of layers of differing sediment in a day or instantly cooling molten rock as a base? In an age perhaps. People use the Bible as a starting point for creation but consider the Bible is only a story of the lineage of what would become the Hebrew people from Adam. It's their story. 6000 years fits reasonably there.
 
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little man, You do realize that you would need to know the speed of light beforehand in order for that to work.
Leaving aside your attempts at flaming, your stupidity is further evidenced by this none too convincing attempt at feigning comprehension.

Should I call your bluff and ask why the speed of light needs to be known beforehand when my post addressed this issue?
Once again it demonstrates you have zero understanding of the subject matter and your unwillingness to admit this indicates you don't have much of a backbone either.
A simple "I don't understand" is not only an honest response but it could lead to you actually learning something about the science.
 
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Leaving aside your attempts at flaming, your stupidity is further evidenced by this none too convincing attempt at feigning comprehension.

Should I call your bluff and ask why the speed of light needs to be known beforehand when my post addressed this issue?
Once again it demonstrates you have zero understanding of the subject matter and your unwillingness to admit this indicates you don't have much of a backbone either.
A simple "I don't understand" is not only an honest response but it could lead to you actually learning something about the science.
A known speed of light is required to synchronize clocks
 
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A known speed of light is required to synchronize clocks

Which is known at 299,792,458 m/s. Which makes synchronization virtually impossible because the signal needed to synchronize both clocks will always be below the speed of light.
 
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Which is known at 299,792,458 m/s. Which makes synchronization virtually impossible because the signal needed to synchronize both clocks will always be below the speed of light.
Smh. Not sure why I have to keep qualifying my statement.

A known speed of light (one-way) is required to synchronize clocks
 
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Smh. Not sure why I have to keep qualifying my statement.

A known speed of light (one-way) is required to synchronize clocks

But the one-way speed of light is equal to the two-way speed of light, because to synchronize the clocks, you need the speed of light. Which is why Einstein proposed the synchronization convention; that the speed of light is the same in all directions. Which means the one way speed of light is still 299,792,458 m/s.
 
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But the one-way speed of light is equal to the two-way speed of light, because to synchronize the clocks, you need the speed of light. Which is why Einstein proposed the synchronization convention; that the speed of light is the same in all directions. Which means the one way speed of light is still 299,792,458 m/s.
Yes but the one way speed of light is unverified. It’s just an assumption or as he called it, a stipulation, in Einstein’s Theory.
 
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Yes but the one way speed of light is unverified. It’s just an assumption or as he called it, a stipulation, in Einstein’s Theory.

Except that even Einstein posited through his synchronization convention that the speed of light is the same in all directions. Plus, Occam's Razor and basic logic dictates that the speed of light going one way would not change from the speed of light going two ways.
 
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... buddy, I do not think there is anything I can say in response to his travesty of history that will not get me moderated or banned for it. Because... good Lord, but you are so off-base it's insane.

You don't think the Celts celebrated Passover by applying blood to those stones?
 
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You don't think the Celts celebrated Passover by applying blood to those stones?

No, because they weren't Jewish! They were Celts! It's in the name!
 
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A known speed of light is required to synchronize clocks
The one-way speed of light depends on on how much the clocks need to be synchronised.
Who synchronises the clocks, it is not done by God, nor nature but by the observer.

This is why the observer sets the convention, in the Einstein convention the round-trip velocity c is 299,792,458 m/s based on measurements.
The roundtrip velocity also ensures c has this value in all directions.

It doesn't make any sense to think the one-way velocity is unknown as it can take on any value as determined by the convention set by the observer.
 
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