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So can your assumption that biblical hermeneutics should happen in a vacuum.
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Then why do you provide a compelling case of not being the sharpest tool in the shed.
I rest my case.
If you are as intelligent as you think you are, the
AI description is correct but you what fail to understand as I explained in previous posts, c is a fundamental constant of nature as revealed in Maxwell's equations.
We are able to measure this constant of nature using a single clock and a round trip to get around the problem of synchronisation.
Not being able to measure c one-way as if all of science collapses to favour the Genesis account of creation is your true motivation.
There is nothing even vaguely intelligent behind this reasoning.
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Oh brother. So when NASA/ESA finds signs of life on other planets are you going to deny it (NASA conspiracy) or change your theology?
I already told you, no it isn't. "Now" just fits the broadest set of parameters when life could evolve in the Galaxy. (Shocking, we have life, when it is possible.)
It isn't.
Today has not significance in the BB model other than it is now, so we care about now since we live now.
That we know of.
Nah.
It is not a guess. It is a measurement.
And you base this on what knowledge of cosmology or astrophysics?
I never did.
It seem more that you are just argumentative.
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Indeed, though to be clear, I didn't treat the Bible as inerrant when I did go to church while never reading it.
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OK, but I'm not sure how it will help:Because He was Jewish? What would we expect Him to do? Quote from Homer's Odyssey to establish God's authority?
Lisa: Here's a good job at the fireworks factory.
Homer: Those perfectionists, forget it.
Lisa: How about this, a supervising technician at the toxic waste dump.
Homer: I'm no supervising technician, I'm a technical supervisor.
-- ``Homer's Odyssey''
There there, Homer. You'll find a job. You've caused plenty of
industrial accidents, and you've always bounced back.
-- Marge, ``Homer's Odyssey''
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Your comment here made me think, and so I did what any ignorant chap like myself would do who doesn't know much about computer coding or programming, I asked Google AI the following question.
Are stipulations in the construction of computer coding or programming as frequently found as they are in cosmological physics?
Its answer was: Stipulations in computer programming are more numerous and rigidly enforced than in cosmological physics. While physics relies on mathematical limits that the universe dictates, programming is built entirely on artificial, human-created rules (syntax) and structural guidelines that code must strictly satisfy to function.
The fundamental difference lies in how these constraints operate:
- Cosmological Physics: The "stipulations" here are the physical constants (e.g., the speed of light \(c\)) and empirical laws (e.g., general relativity). They dictate how the universe operates but are actively debated and constantly updated when anomalies (like the Hubble tension) emerge. [1, 2, 3, 4]
- Computer Programming: Programming is a deterministic, synthetic construct. It operates entirely on stipulations, including strict syntax rules (your code will not compile or run if these are violated), data types, and software design standards like SOLID Principles. A programmer creates the stipulations, and the machine enforces them perfectly. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
While cosmological physics deals with observing an open-ended natural reality where "rules" are hypotheses we attempt to map, computer programming is a completely closed environment governed entirely by explicit, man-made constraints.
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If its verified as fact - I will place the Bible down and never read it again!
<Google AI>
Yes, from a biological and environmental standpoint, right now is the absolute best time for humans in Earth's entire history. [1]
To anchor this timeline exactly, scientists estimate the Earth is actually 4.5 billion years old. For roughly 99.9% of that staggering lifespan, the planet was either a toxic wasteland, completely frozen, unbreathable, or ruled by massive apex predators. [1, 2, 3, 4]
The last 10,000 years represent a freakishly stable "Goldilocks" anomaly. It is the only period where the climate, atmosphere, and food chain lined up perfectly to let a fragile, hairless primate build a global civilization.
Hans - you have to do better - right represents a "freakish stable "Goldilocks" anomaly.
Do you want to clarify that today has no signifcance when it come to human living conditions?
New research puts age of universe at 26.7 billion years, nearly twice as old as previously believed
I'm not saying things are ready to make that change - but its possible the age will be increasing as I suggested. Hubble data is possibly hinting at an older universe.
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there is nothing wrong with stipulations....but you have to understand that the results are based on an unverified stipulaton that could be wrong.
I'm not saying it is wrong but It is entirely possible - If you travel at the speed of light from the closest star to earth - based on the speed of light it would take 4 years....but your trip would be instantaneous to you and you would not age. Just a thought.
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If I kept track of everyone's inconsistencies to use against them, I would catalog this and save it for later. I suspect I won't remember who you are then.
I'm not interested in talking to your AI. If you don't know or can't digest to understand what you've read, the best move is to not post.
This is why you should do your own work. You clearly don't understand what the ai was report. I could explain it to you, but I'm not sure you would understand.
Since you claim was about the timing of the Earth within the history of the Universe, I can repeat what I already wrote:
The ingredients needed to make Earth were around for a few billions of years before the Earth formed and are still around. A planet like Earth could have formed at wide variety of times in the history of the Galaxy from well before our planet did form to now to the forseeable future. "Now" is not special.
I am familiar with that claim and gave it the analysis it was due:
The Incredible Odyssey of Mankind: Ape to Human in a Million Years (Video)
You can't have both. You can't believe in God and that your ancestors were monkeys.
www.christianforums.com
It didn't go well for that claim.
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No, they are not. You are falsely equating designed and manufactured mechanical machines devoid of thought, with biological, evolved, sentient beings. There may be some valid analogous aspects of the comparison, but asserting a direct equivalence is either equivocation, or carelessness, or foolishness.
What makes you think such nonsense refutes the central argument of my posts, or was its meaning obscure to you?
Many people say that your star sign can tell you important things about your life. Many people say Brexit was a good idea. Many people say marrying someone of a different race was wrong. Many people got to get a decent education and they wouldn't feel compelled to make pointless comments.
Irrelevant. Clearly you have no ideas what I was talking about. Tell what you think it was and I'll set you on the right path. I might even get you across the road.
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I of course figure you’d be very aware if it and I don’t anything happen now but I do think the universe is bigger than we know and that i would guess that will add age down the road.I am familiar with that claim and gave it the analysis it was due:
The Incredible Odyssey of Mankind: Ape to Human in a Million Years (Video)
You can't have both. You can't believe in God and that your ancestors were monkeys.
It didn't go well for that claim.
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I had a different point in mind rather than a 'complaint' about stipulations. My point is that the nature of stipulation in computer programming and coding is different than it is in physics and cosmology.
Physics is an open ended endeavor whereas computer coding is closed (as per the AI answer I posted above).
Regardless, I understand why you're intuiting a relation of pattern between civilized history and Moses' account in Genesis, but its only intuitive, not technical. And if you're going to prove your point to atheists here, you need a technical explanation of the pattern your think you see, one that goes beyond merely implicating a role for the Speed of Light.
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When scientists find things in the universe that the Bible spoke about in Paul's time, are you going to change your stance on the Bible?
Ro 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
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Once again a ridiculous inane response, the speed of light was 'stipulated' only in 1983 as having an exact value so as to define the SI unit for the metre.
This was mentioned in another post but yet again like c being a physical constant of nature it went way over your head.
This contrasts with your nonsense that somehow not being able to measure the speed of light one way is tantamount to making guesses.
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