God did not create from nothing

sjastro · 2026-06-04T23:01:45-0500

sjastro said:
I might get AI to write up a treatise on how isochron dating works.

This is for @-57 who disagrees with me in thinking he does not comprehend the science behind isochron testing.
If he does and creationism is right and the science is wrong about isochron testing, then he should have no problems in finding the flaws in the treatise.

As for the background I got ChatGPT-5.5 to explain it at a high school level and since this board does not handle mathematical symbols in the correct format, I had ChatGPT-5.5 translate its explanations into LaTex format using Python code which I downloaded into Overleaf to produce the treatise.
These days it is becoming increasing difficult to differentiate between AI and human authors.

The treatise is 16 pages long and does a reasonably good job in explaining isochron dating at an elementary level.

-57 · 2026-06-05T00:46:53-0500

sjastro said:
I gather you are upset that I think the subject is beyond your level of comprehension.

At that point I stopped reading your post....again.

Hans Blaster · 2026-06-05T00:49:54-0500

-57 said:
At that point I stopped reading your post....again.

Your ignorance is deliberate, then?

-57 · 2026-06-05T00:50:09-0500

AV1611VET said:
I have no idea what you just said.

If you told me I have a long history that aged me, I would not think that deceptive.

I just turned 72 last week.

How many half lives do you have left?

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-05T06:16:38-0500

Hans Blaster said:
There is no evidence presented on this board in millions of posts that any island dwelling retirees have any such issues.

It seems nothing more than a devotion to an extremist form of religion that is supported here with bad behavior.

Perhaps you're right, but is he worse than a person who shows complete indifference to Christianity altogether? I don't know.

As I read through this thread, I'm trying to weigh the importance of an accurate view of Radiometric Dating to the overall meaning of life. So far, I'm not really seeing an explanation or a reason to land on one side or another being provided by anyone..............

Platte · 2026-06-05T07:18:40-0500

sjastro said:
In another post you asked about the case of igneous rock not coming from molten rock???
This doesn't even require a knowledge of geology, go look up the dictionary definition for the word igneous.

If you cannot grasp the most basic early high school level of science, you are in no position to even contemplate critiquing the science.
Your 'reasons' are based on wilful ignorance.

Most igneous rocks were created at Creation

Platte · 2026-06-05T07:28:40-0500

Hans Blaster said:
The history of humanity does not go back to the formation of the Earth. It misses by 4.6 billion years. History is irrelevant to the origin of the Earth and you've offered no actual history.

There is no evidence the universe was "created". To the best of our knowledge it has always existed.

<Hypothetical> If I told you the universe was created 6000 years ago along with humans and all life....but Recorded History goes back 100,000 years - that would be evidence that your story is false and Creation did not occur.

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-05T07:32:01-0500

Platte said:
Most igneous rocks were created at Creation

I don't see anything explicitly mentioned about volcanic activity in the Bible, especially not in relation to Creation. Do you?

Platte · 2026-06-05T07:35:11-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
I don't see anything explicitly mentioned about volcanic activity in the Bible, especially not in relation to Creation. Do you?

I don't see anything about birth in the Creation story either...but man was created.

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-05T08:21:57-0500

Platte said:
I don't see anything about birth in the Creation story either...but man was created.

Maybe, but while the bible mentions Adam and Eve, it doesn't mention anything about the nature of igneous rock.

So, with that in mind, I think I'll keep trucking along with much if not most of what Davis A. Young & Ralph F. Stearley have to say in their 500 page book, The Bible, Rocks and Time (2008), along with a few comments on radiometric dating methods made by Roger C. Wiens in the following paper:

Wiens, Roger C. "Radiometric dating." A Christian perspective. Science in Christian Perspective: The American Scientific Affiliation. Available online at: http://www. asa3. org/ASA/resources/WIENS. html (2002).

Hans Blaster · 2026-06-05T09:33:02-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
Perhaps you're right, but is he worse than a person who shows complete indifference to Christianity altogether? I don't know.

Is this some sort of moral relativism?

2PhiloVoid said:
As I read through this thread, I'm trying to weigh the importance of an accurate view of Radiometric Dating to the overall meaning of life. So far, I'm not really seeing an explanation or a reason to land on one side or another being provided by anyone..............

"meaning of life" is not something that can be determined by radioactive dating. This isn't the "meaning of life" section, so I'm not interested in discussing it here.

Hans Blaster · 2026-06-05T09:41:47-0500

Platte said:
<Hypothetical> If I told you the universe was created 6000 years ago along with humans and all life....but Recorded History goes back 100,000 years - that would be evidence that your story is false and Creation did not occur.

If you have data that shows things happened before a claimed formation of anything, then the claim about the date of that formation is falsified.

dlamberth · 2026-06-05T10:11:57-0500

Platte said:
Most igneous rocks were created at Creation

And created to look many different years in age. Some looking like hundreds of million and in some cases billions of years old in age. Why would God be so deceptive like that? Why would God not be honest about the whole thing and create the igneous rocks to look like the 6000 year old rocks that the are?

Platte · 2026-06-05T10:17:07-0500

Hans Blaster said:
If you have data that shows things happened before a claimed formation of anything, then the claim about the date of that formation is falsified.

Yes - but a Historical fact - Record History - is much more useful than science fiction.

Based on your views - I'm surprised your not the biggest proponent of Creation.

Platte · 2026-06-05T10:47:39-0500

dlamberth said:
And created to look many different years in age. Some looking like hundreds of million and in some cases billions of years old in age. Why would God be so deceptive like that? Why would God not be honest about the whole thing and create the igneous rocks to look like the 6000 year old rocks that the are?

Ok so we have the most perfect world in the universe - a perfect place - so perfect that we know of nothing else in the universe that could sustain life. That is what God created....and you are suggesting that it should have been created differently? Because you feel deceived...lol I don't feel deceived because I know age is inherent in Creation.

If I asked you to draw me a picture of a tree - I already know you are going to draw a tree with age. If you had the ability to snap your fingers and create me a tree - I already know you are going to create a tree with age.

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-05T11:06:19-0500

Platte said:
Yes - but a Historical fact - Record History - is much more useful than science fiction.

Responses made to simply disparage science will be considered off topic to this forum.

Platte said:
Based on your views - I'm surprised your not the biggest proponent of Creation.

Platte, when have you studied Historiography and the Philosophy of History?

Hans Blaster · 2026-06-05T11:10:45-0500

Platte said:
Yes - but a Historical fact - Record History - is much more useful than science fiction.

We're not talking about science fiction.

Platte said:
Based on your views - I'm surprised your not the biggest proponent of Creation.

What?

dlamberth · 2026-06-05T11:56:36-0500

Platte said:
Ok so we have the most perfect world in the universe - a perfect place - so perfect that we know of nothing else in the universe that could sustain life. That is what God created....and you are suggesting that it should have been created differently? Because you feel deceived...lol I don't feel deceived because I know age is inherent in Creation.

If I asked you to draw me a picture of a tree - I already know you are going to draw a tree with age. If you had the ability to snap your fingers and create me a tree - I already know you are going to create a tree with age.

It's you whom is presenting a Deceiving God with the idea that He would actually create a Universe that looks way older than 6000 years.

Platte · 2026-06-05T12:06:17-0500

Hans Blaster said:
We're not talking about science fiction.

Creation occuring 6000 years ago is extremely far fetched - vs 4.6 billion. In order to give Creation any plausibility you would need the impossible: History beginning 6000 years ago - and a civilization that begins with the Garden of Eden.

NxNW · 2026-06-05T12:40:48-0500

Platte said:
Most igneous rocks were created at Creation

Which was when?

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