State leaders speak out about plans to expand the Islamic Academy of Alabama

ThatRobGuy · 2025-12-15T10:53:54-0600

BCP1928 said:
If Christians can't exercise the degree of social discipline in this country that they desire to, what makes you think that Muslims will be able to?

I would argue that Christians could exercise a much higher degree of religiosity and government entanglements if they really wanted to.

That's the thing, most don't want to.

The percentage of Christians that would want some sort of Christian theocracy is lower than the percentage of their Muslim counterparts who would want that.

The one stat I highlighted a few pages back.

Even among the 45% who say "The US should be a Christian Nation", only a quarter of that subset want any measure of codified state religion.

Similarly, among those who say in the new survey that the U.S. should be a Christian nation, only about a quarter (24%) said in the prior survey that the federal government should advocate Christian religious values. About twice as many (52%) said the government should “advocate for moral values that are shared by people of many faiths.”

Which lines up with the global outcomes we see. Only 31 of the ~120 (about a quarter) Christian-majority countries have any level of religion codified via law.

Or, in short, your premise is a tad flawed.

The lack of "Christian version of Sharia" in this country isn't due to legal guardrails stopping them from implementing their desired level of religiosity, it's that 75% of them don't actually desire it.

Your premise seemed to operate on the assumption that the majority of Christians are chomping at the bit to have a theocracy, and that our laws were the only thing stopping them, so "If it's stopping the Christians from doing that, its sufficient to stop Muslims from doing that should they ever become a majority"

BCP1928 · 2025-12-15T11:33:57-0600

That is not my premise and you know it. By all three measures you provided, the number of Christians who desire to impose a Christian moral order on the US is about the same size as Trump's Christian base. But I understand why you need to misrepresent my position, because otherwise your argument atha a substantial percentage of Muslim immigrants want to impose Sharia law on the rest of us falls flat.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-12-15T13:44:42-0600

BCP1928 said:
That is not my premise and you know it. By all three measures you provided, the number of Christians who desire to impose a Christian moral order on the US is about the same size as Trump's Christian base. But I understand why you need to misrepresent my position, because otherwise your argument atha a substantial percentage of Muslim immigrants want to impose Sharia law on the rest of us falls flat.

Your statement was
If Christians can't exercise the degree of social discipline in this country that they desire to, what makes you think that Muslims will be able to?

My response was
Your premise seemed to operate on the assumption that the majority of Christians are chomping at the bit to have a theocracy, and that our laws were the only thing stopping them, so "If it's stopping the Christians from doing that, its sufficient to stop Muslims from doing that should they ever become a majority"

Would you care to tell me how I misinterpreted your sentiment?

You're not actually implying that Christianity and Islam have equal inclination (in terms of percentage of the cohort) towards wanting to consolidate religious and state power, or that they're even close to being "in the same ballpark" on that, are you?

The percentage of Christians in the country that would actually want that (based on the polling) is small.

A) not even all Christians refer to it as a "Christian Nation"
B) and of the 45% subset that do, only 25% actually want that reflected in laws.

25% of the 45% equates to: 12% of Christians would advocate for that, meaning they're vastly outnumbered by the Christians who don't want that. That same dynamic isn't true in most of the countries that are Majority-Muslim.

rjs330 · 2025-12-15T16:47:30-0600

BCP1928 said:
You really are jealous.

If that is the case you are very jealous of Trump and his administration. Is that the fact? Because if it is then we juat dismiss any criticism you offer as mere jealousy. You must be very jealous if ICE.

rjs330 · 2025-12-15T17:23:45-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
If you believe that when Jesus said "love your enemy," he meant we should only pray for our enemies from a distance without allowing them among us, you have completely misunderstood the Sermon on the Mount.

Loving your enemy does not mean we should allow them into our camp to kill ours and our neighbors children. Why is loving your neighbor only applicable to 5hose who wish us harm? Why is it not applicable to rhe victims who would be harmed? That make no sense. So we are to offer up our children and our neighbors to our enemies so we can show love to our enemies? "Im sorry neighbors, you have to have your lives ruined so I can show I love those who wish to destroy you."

I'm not sure I am the one who is misunderstanding the sermon on the Mount.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-12-16T07:40:37-0600

rjs330 said:
Loving your enemy does not mean we should allow them into our camp to kill ours and our neighbors children. Why is loving your neighbor only applicable to 5hose who wish us harm? Why is it not applicable to rhe victims who would be harmed? That make no sense. So we are to offer up our children and our neighbors to our enemies so we can show love to our enemies? "Im sorry neighbors, you have to have your lives ruined so I can show I love those who wish to destroy you."

I'm not sure I am the one who is misunderstanding the sermon on the Mount.

If loving your enemy just means keeping them distant in another country and occasionally praying for them without any real sacrifice, then that love is meaningless. Jesus, knowing he would die on the cross, chose to live among his enemies and give up his life. Yet today, some conservative Christians believe that loving enemies or helping the poor requires no personal cost or sacrifice, as long as they keep their distance and pray occasionally, treating it as a checkbox for loving Jesus.

A true follower of Christ demonstrates love for their enemies through personal sacrifice and generosity, embodying principles such as sharing and turning the other cheek.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Contemporary evangelical Christianity in America often emphasizes personal safety, family security, individual rights, and personal freedoms. However, the core message of Christianity centers on the example of one who laid down his life for his friends and neighbors. Jesus taught that our neighbor is not just someone close or kind to us, but anyone who shows compassion, like the Samaritan in his parable. Despite being considered an enemy of the Jews at that time, the Samaritan exemplified true neighborliness through his actions.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-16T09:02:14-0600

Alabama’s senior senator has accelerated attacks on Americans of the Islamic faith and called for their forced deportation.

U.S. Sen. Tommy Tuberville accelerated attacks on Muslim Americans over the weekend, calling for the forced deportation of those of the Islamic faith.

The Alabama Republican’s remarks followed attacks on a school for Muslim children and Somali immigrants in Minnesota, accompanied by the filing of two bills targeting Muslims.

In recent days, Tuberville accelerated his assaults. On Sunday, Tuberville’s Facebook account posted a statement that said Islam is “not a religion. It’s a cult.” and claimed that “Islamists aren’t here to assimilate. They’re here to conquer.”

“Stop worrying about offending the pearl clutchers,” the statement said. “We’ve got to SEND THEM HOME NOW or we’ll become the United Caliphate of America.”

He also referred to the Islamic Academy of Alabama, which withdrew a proposal relocate to Hoover amid criticism and threats.

“I was asked about it,” Tuberville said during his comments on Thursday. “And I said the only place this Islamic academy should be moving is out of Alabama and out of our country.”

A spokesperson for the school declined to comment on Tuberville’s statement, referring instead to a news release published after the Hoover planning and zoning committee denied the school’s proposal to move its site from Homewood.

“Not one word of these allegations reflects the teachings, values, curriculum or culture of our school,” Stacy Abdein, the school’s assistant principal said in the news release. “They are irresponsible fabrications that fuel fear, prejudice and division.”

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